Why are you so angry? And why the power chords...

[Krimzan]

There are about 3 stations that are listenable where I go to school. We have at least 3 rap stations, 4 country stations, 2 gospel stations 1 classic rock station, 1 "modern rock" station and one 70s & 80s station. I usually flip between the last 3. The modern rock station is getting on my nerves more and more. I don't listen to the radio a lot, I think it's mostly crap. Rock has degraded to the point where it's not worth keeping up with. Yeah it all sounds the same, but that's almost always been the case. In the 80s we had hair bands and 80s rock sounded the same mostly until Nirvana came along with Smells Like Teen Spirit, and that was where (I put) the end of 80s rock. We had a decent amount of good stuff out of the 90s I think. Recently though, all rock is REALLY sounding the same. Steps to making a rock song:
1. Whiny voice, gotta have the droneing whiny voice or
1a. Screaming angry voice.

2. Power chords. Everyone has the power chords going on in the background, and I do mean background. Few and far between do you find any kind of guitar work nowadays. What do I mean? Ok, listen to the latest Nickleback song, or some Linkin Park...then listen to Message in a Bottle by the Police and you'll see what I mean. Listen to some Weezer. There is nothing going on in modern rock, it's very one-track. Does it have to be all riffs? Well heck no, but having everything be extentions of the beat is really, really irritating. Look at something inbetween, like Foo Fighters stuff. They don't have a lot going on in their guitar parts (compared with Message in a Bottle) however the seperation between drum beat and guitar is there.

3. Where's the bass? No not the thub-thub-thub, I mean the thing with 4 strings (or 5 if you're l33t). I can't hear it, do you not have a bassist? Did he quit cuz the bass parts sucked? Good bass parts I think of the Chilli Peppers and The Cure.

(Note that lyrical ability is not in there.)
Really, though. I am totally willing to admit that I have picky tastes in music, and am skeptical of anything recent coming out. I thought Queens of the Stone Age - No One Knows was decent, I liked the guitar part, I thought the style of the singing was a bit of fresh air. It just seems like the same stuff is showing up, and the only people who are actually rocking the scene have been doing so for a while now. I realize that the best stuff probably doesn't get played on the radio, but there was a time when it was! There was a time when you could be a local band and get your song on your local radio station, is that gone now too?

[EZ_Valrog]

All 3 Queens of the Stoneage albums rock, their names are Queens of the Stoneage, Rated R and Songs for the Deaf - the newest one - has No One Knows, Go with the Flow, and First it Giveth. All 3 Muse studio albums rock, Showbiz, Origin of Symmatry and Absolution. They're pretty big in Europe but none-existant in the US. The Audioslave album is also amazing, so are all 4 Rage albums. You thought Flea from RHCP was good? You haven't heard Rage's/Audioslave's bassist.

Point being, you complain about Rock music sucking, then you mention the Q.O.T.S.A... An awesome modern rock band, you said that you heard a song of theirs and it's good, but then you don't go ahead and listen to the rest of their album? I don't wanna sound rude or anything, but either you complain about rock music sucking and actually try to find something you like, or do neither. Know what I mean? PS: You're spot on about The Police =) Edited by: Valrog at: 10/15/03 10:51 am

[Krimzan]

No no! I was pointing out that QOTSA stand out among modern rock because of their sound. I just don't understand why bands that do things differently are so few and far-between.

[EZ_JookaWoo]

check out the jamband scene, pretty refreshing compared to the crap on the radio. Im biased tho. Seriously hate just about anything played on the radio.

[Nenjin]

I'm not even sure what to call rock anymore, it's gone so many different directions since the 80's. I think the line between rock and alternative started getting blurry with Nirvana, now, if you play a guitar at all, people qualify it as rock of some sort. I gave up rifling through all the music that is out there anymore, so much of it is tripe. I wait for a random song on the radio to catch my intrest, or refferals from people. Popular culture has long since stopped being a good indicator of music I would enjoy.

[berael]

Quote:I just don't understand why bands that do things differently are so few and far-between. Because doing things different is a risk. Doing the exact same thing as every other multi-million-disc selling group means you'll probably be a multi-million-disc selling group, too - once. Then people will quickly forget you in favor of the newer just-like-everyone-else band, but who cares? They're in it for the money. Amadan :: Child of the Phoenix ::
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"You're nothing but barbarians, scoundrels, and assassins!"
"And fools. Don't leave out fools."

[EZ_Twiggins]

Early incubus has some pretty sweet ass bass lines in it. Oh and if you want good guitar check out Tool.

[EZ_t1d3]

I completely agree, i can't stand the radio nowadays. Same crap over and over and over. It wouldn't be so bad if they played half decent stuff. I'm sorry when i take an hour drive and i hear trust company or some other equally lame band 3 times something is wrong.

what twiggins said - early incubus rocked so hard. S.C.I.E.N.C.E is one of my favorite cds. Tool not only has great guitar work, but their drums are awesome too.

Check out A Perfect Circle's new cd Thirteenth Step if u want some great rock tunes (maynard > all =) )
Edited by: t1d3 at: 10/15/03 2:28 pm

[EZ_Prenn]

Old Metallica. You know it's still good. And that thing we do with the thing and the songs that makes the thing get upset is still cool.

And Apocalyptica. They're like an old, good rock group that added an electric violin. They've got a ton of instrumental covers (metallica stuff, hall of the mountain king, etc.) I've heard one original song by them (with and without lyrics), it was excellent as to be expected. Sensei Pren{Dragon Army}[Tribunal Server]
So I take shelter in tomorrow
Tomorrow will bring a brand new day
Think I can make it right tomorrow,
Think I need more sleep today...

[EZ_RoguePitts]

Why are you listening to the radio? CDs are your friend.

[EZ_Matheren]

bands doing things differently *aren't* few and far between - they just don't get the radio play because they ARE doing things differently

[EZ_manofnox]

Buy the new "A Perfect Circle" and "Coheed and Cambria" CDs.

[Jem]

Metallica /laugh ...even the old stuff.


"Here I am, uh!
On the road again.. uh!
Here I Aaam Uh!
Up oon the Stage ah"

And it's not a recent addition. That crap really annoys the crap out of me... uh Wraine aka "The Spine Tickler!"
Moderator O'Dethe
"It has.. It has a meter that is tricky. A little wicky wacky wicky..."Edited by: Wraine at: 10/15/03 7:38 pm

[PsiKoTicK]

Quote:
Metallica /laugh ...even the old stuff.


"Here I am, uh!
On the road again.. uh!
Here I Aaam Uh!
Up oon the Stage ah"

And it's not a recent addition. That crap really annoys the crap out of me... uh


dude.. that's not old stuff.. that is on Garage Inc, which is a cover album 2 disc set, and was released after load/reload, which we all know was utter trash (except maybe 2 songs on each CD)... go back to the real metallica, like Ride the Lightning, And Justice For All, Metallica (the black album), etc... trust me, it's nothing like turn the page Veteran Kakarat Doomstalker
65 Barbarian Assassin

[EZ_Twiggins]

I completely agree, i can't stand the radio nowadays. Same crap over and over and over. It wouldn't be so bad if they played half decent stuff. I'm sorry when i take an hour drive and i hear trust company or some other equally lame band 3 times something is wrong.

what twiggins said - early incubus rocked so hard. S.C.I.E.N.C.E is one of my favorite cds. Tool not only has great guitar work, but their drums are awesome too.

Check out A Perfect Circle's new cd Thirteenth Step if u want some great rock tunes (maynard > all =) )

Really couldn't have said it better. Edited by: Twiggins at: 10/16/03 6:54 am

[Jem]

Quote:dude.. that's not old stuff.. that is on Garage Inc, which is a cover album 2 disc set, and was released after load/reload, which we all know was utter trash (except maybe 2 songs on each CD)... go back to the real metallica, like Ride the Lightning, And Justice For All, Metallica (the black album), etc... trust me, it's nothing like turn the page


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Read what I posted after the lyrics quotes again. I said it wasn't a recent addition. If you listen to the older stuff, like the albums you mentioned, that extra syllable on the end of every line is there also. It's just exaggerated more in the Turn the Page cover, so I used it to illustrate my point.

[Nocte]

Yeah Wraine! Old Metallica sounded more like.

"Here I am, ooooh yeah yeah!!
On the road again.. ooooh yeah yeah!!
Here I Aaam ooooh yeah yeah!!
Up oon the Stage ooooh yeah yeah!!
I'm creeping death trapped under ice riding the lightning... ooooh yeah yeah!!

It's all about the ooooh yeah yeah!!

We'll never make a video.
~Lar Ultrich circa 1986

Biggest sell outs in Heavy Metal history. Pretentious dinks.

[EZ_Nazbuk]

Maroon 5 (Songs about Jane) is new and is a really good album. They are also really good live.

Nazbuk
The Troll

[Gnmish Gearbinder]

First, technically...it is old stuff.

Turn the Page belongs to Bob Segar.

Second, Metallica sucks. I'm so damned tired of hearing their 'new' songs, that sounds just like their 'old' songs. And by 'old' songs, I mean that their sound hasn't changed since Load. Everything since then has just pissed me off to no end. @#%$ Metallica and their RIAA ball-linking.

Third, radio sucks. It's also controlled by the RIAA. Listeners have no control over what becomes 'popular'. It's all who pushes their label's demos hardest. It is very rare now on the odd chance I am listening to the radio that I hear something and go, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' It now seems to be a downward spiral of @#%$ that all sounds like System of a Down and/or New Found Glory. Burn it all.

Fourth, argh! I hate radio.

Fifth, yes. Incubus SCIENCE was fan-f-ing-tastic. I have heard rumor that the next Incubus album they are working on sounds alot like it. gnmish.gearbinder.ring.warden.sullon.zek
What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em?

[EZ_t1d3]

Quote:It now seems to be a downward spiral of @#%$ that all sounds like System of a Down and/or New Found Glory. Burn it all.

I think System of a Down gets an unfair label. They are by no means by favorite band, but they can play their instruments skillfully, the lead singer has an amazing voice, and they are original. They usually get lumped in with the rest of the popular "nu-metal" bands today. The fact that they're pulling it off when 99% of other popular acts are absolute crap says even more about their quality.

The Downward Spiral, now there is a good cd...
Edited by: t1d3 at: 10/16/03 1:00 pm

[EZ_Geidon]

If you want a lot of complex bass, drums and guitar notes and lyrical originality and genius you need some more tool and a perfect circle in your life.

[EZ_Clailya]

/worship tool /worship a perfect circle ! i love you maynard! Can i haveyour babies?

/smirk~

i hate to say it but i love the older korn stuff. follow the leader and the cd with shoots and ladders is great stuff. adidas... mmm best song ever... a day i dream of sex... mmmm

incubus is great... system of a down is pretty good.

There is a local band called mrs.fletcher here... www.mrsfletcher.com and their songs.. quote from a friend of mine "The best thing since tool" I'm not sure how true that is but they are great. Clailya Clearmind
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[Jem]

I'll never forget seeing Korn for the first time in concert. It was about a year before they made it big time. Sugar Ray opened for them... and played a HARDER show than Korn did. I still crack up every time I think about that.

[EZ_Talius]

System of the Down is Armenian in origin. You really can't make anything more original than that, no matter what they play

[EZ_Northerner]

Downward Spiral is still my all-time favorite album. Reznor may be a sell-out perhaps but the man is a @#%$ certifiable genious of music.

'Modern' rock? Can't say I listen to it. Celeris Tujimson
Maurading Deceiver of The Nameless

Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes.
E. W. Dijkstra

[EZ_Andurian]

Load does not file under "Old" Metallica. Justice and before is the good ole stuff.
Talking about bass and no one has mentioned Primus!?

[EZ_Bouldor]

The White Stripes are great.

It's pretty minimal (drummer + singer/guitarist/keyboard), but it's really good rock and roll.
Barrel

[EZ_Ronaan]

so... you have a classic rock station, and a modern rock station... and complain about the modern-ish rock the modern rock station plays...?

why don't you just listen to the classic rock one. better music anyway.

[Darkefang]

Do classic rock in other places actually play classic rock?

The stations where I live play mostly Led Zepplin, Lynard Skynard, AC-DC, Bad Company, Boston, Jimi Hendrix, Bachman Turner Overdrive and the Eagles. They throw in an occasional Rolling Stones or Pink Floyd song. And that's pretty much it.

Now, don't get me wrong, I like some of those groups. But they don't play anything else. Plus they only use a limited selection of songs from the bands they do play.

Why aren't the Beatles or Jefferson Airplane classic rock? Or the Doors and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young? What happened to the Grateful Dead and the Who? There are tons of bands out there that I would consider classic rock that are completely ignored.

[Krimzan]

As normal, a good amount of classic rock is ignored, but this is a pretty good classic rock station. They play a lot of Pink Floyd, I never hear the Eagles. Doors and the Who yes, and they play Southern Cross by CSN&Y. It's decent, it's not great though.

[EZ_t1d3]

Quote:i hate to say it but i love the older korn stuff

No shame there, Korn's self titled cd and life is peachy were great. Korn is one of those bands that I will always have respect for, but they will continue to get progressively worse with each cd. It's not really their fault, the style of music they created has been copied and watered down so much. Well they have a new cd coming out next month claiming to be back to their roots. We shall see.

Quote:Downward Spiral is still my all-time favorite album. Reznor may be a sell-out perhaps but the man is a @#%$ certifiable genious of music.

/worship. Reznor is a god of music. Downward Spiral is great, but I'm more of a pretty hate machine/broken man myself. Anyone know anything about the next NIN cd? Speaking of reznor, wtf ever happen to the reznor/maynard tapeworm project? Knowing those two control freaks it will never come out. Edited by: t1d3 at: 10/21/03 8:13 am

[Jem]

Here is the Primus mention previously asked for:

The Brown Album is still in my regular CD rotation. Pork Soda and StSoC get rotated in when I get tired of what I'm currently listening to. Wraine aka "The Spine Tickler!"
Moderator O'Dethe
"It has.. It has a meter that is tricky. A little wicky wacky wicky..."

[Glip the Gnome]

The "rock" station here stinks. It plays nothing but junk like Godsmack, Limp Bizkit, and <insert random band with whiny sounding singer>

The "alternative rock" station here stinks. Unless you like hearing nothing but Pearl Jam clones, only without the talent all day.

The "classic rock" station here stinks as well. They mix it up more than a lot of stations do, but they just pick the most godawful crap to play. They also play waaaay too much Led Zeppelin/The Who/Pink Floyd.

I need an 80's rock station dangit! :P
I don't think the problem is just where I live though, I haven't had a radio station I liked since I was about 10 living in Pennsylvania.

Ah well... *loads winamp* Edited by: Glip the Gnome at: 10/21/03 12:02 pm

[Krimzan]

Quote:
I need an 80's rock station dangit!

Woohoo! Amen!

[EZ_Aldarion Shard]

whaaaat???? nothing good came out of the 80's, and that especially applies to music.

Like all rules, there are a few exceptions (i.e. the Police put out some good stuff in the 80's and so did Zeppelin iirc...) But the rule stands.

Any decade in which tight jeans on men was considered "fashionable" needs to be discarded from the records of human history. Veda Kai'Rin

[EZ_skewerzjoo]

Nothing good came out of the 80's? "Moving Pictures" by Rush wasn't too shabby...If you want something with excellent musicianship, just pop in an old Rush cd. Dream Theatre kinda started out this way, too, but they got steadily worse. Their first couple of albums were pretty good. The Police had some awesome playing, too. Niel Peart, Stewart Copeland, Mike Portnoy....hard to name 3 drummers better than that...drums are what puts the "drive" in music (can't tell I'm a drummer, can ya?) rock on! Skewerz Joo
My magelo

[EZ_DreaDie]

Nothing good came out in the 80's? Black Flag, the Misfits, later Clash songs, Dead Kennedys.. 80's was great, although I'd guess it would depend on what sort of musical genre you enjoy. Edgie, Retired Deciever, Tarew marr server
Those who see through the lies
Are quickly gagged and bound
Ambition realized
Tear the whole f**king thing down!

[Krimzan]

I think Aldarion has cemented himself in the position of my nemesis with that statement...

[Glip the Gnome]

Clearly, what Aldarion meant to say was that "everything good came from the '80s"

[Darkefang]

Aldarion probably thought you were clamoring for a station with nothing but Poison, Winger, Cinderella, Britney Fox and LA Guns.

[Jem]

Dude, Quiet Riot!

[EZ_skewerzjoo]

don't forget Faster Pussycat and Saigon Kick! Skewerz Joo
My magelo

[Glip the Gnome]

Quote:Aldarion probably thought you were clamoring for a station with nothing but Poison, Winger, Cinderella, Britney Fox and LA Guns.

Add Van Halen and Def Leppard to that list, and thats basically what I was doing :P

[EZ_Boddi the ranger]

Quote:The "rock" station here stinks. It plays nothing but junk like Godsmack, Limp Bizkit, and <insert random band with whiny sounding singer>

The "alternative rock" station here stinks. Unless you like hearing nothing but Pearl Jam clones, only without the talent all day.

The "classic rock" station here stinks as well. They mix it up more than a lot of stations do, but they just pick the most godawful crap to play. They also play waaaay too much Led Zeppelin/The Who/Pink Floyd.

I need an 80's rock station dangit! :P


Couldn't have said it better. I expected SoCal to have alot more selection musically. Might be from growing up in Seattle, i got spoiled and all. Guess that's why my radio never leaves ESPN 800 a.m. nowadays.

[EZ_Blusco]

I'm still in Seattle, and our radio sucks donkey balls. What did you listen to that you felt spoiled? Blusco Kickshaw-Stonefoot
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[EZ_Geidon]

Glip if you want a good 80s rock station go to circuit city and get a sirius sattelite radio setup.

[Glip the Gnome]

I dont have a problem with music when I'm home, I have my CDs for that. Its when I'm in my car and can't find anything worth listening to it gets annoying.

[EZ_Bellia Stillheart]

Nothing good came from the 80's?
Gun's -n- Roses

Yes after lies you can pretty much write them off, but you have to admit, appetite and use your illusion rocked.

Also U2..granted Bono is all full of himself now a days, but Joshua tree was an awesome album.