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Lenilya
09-12-05, 03:45 AM
Can we get an anime forum? I'd like to post more topics more often, but I'm afraid that would clog this forum up to all hell.
I'm all for it, but I reckon if there were going to be any other non-gaming forums around here there already would be.
I disagree with an anime forum.
Just to, y'know, be all contrarian and stuff. :p
I wouldn't want another anime forum attempt.
The last time we tried an anime forum here, it died off after a month or two. The last incarnation had talk about the flavor of the month animes, but didn't have a sustainable population of regulars.
Dragynphyre
09-12-05, 08:57 AM
sure, but I don't mind seeing anime threads here, I just ignore them :)
Sollon Darkmoon
09-12-05, 09:02 AM
Can we get an anime forum? I'd like to post more topics more often, but I'm afraid that would clog this forum up to all hell.
/sign
shehab aldean
09-12-05, 09:18 AM
I wouldn't want another anime forum attempt.
The last time we tried an anime forum here, it died off after a month or two. The last incarnation had talk about the flavor of the month animes, but didn't have a sustainable population of regulars.
err when was that ? i don't remmber any anime forum in the safehouse
DarthEnder
09-12-05, 11:16 AM
Me neither, and I've been here since the beginning of time.
Or at least since like 2000.
I'm down with it. It can't possibly get used less than the Pen and Paper forum(though we still need that!).
Though, I wonder if such a forum is really in the spirit of the Safehouse, since Anime in general has nothing to do with Rogues....
though it will most definatly have ninja and pirates...those are LIKE rogues!
I don't think an entire forum for anime is necessary.
Don't feel you have to hold back about posting about it though, Logged Out is exactly for these kind of topics and in general I'd rather see anime topics over political ones in here ;)
If Logged Out ever gets clogged because of it then we'll reconsider an entire forum for it.
Don't feel you have to hold back about posting about it though, Logged Out is exactly for these kind of topics and in general I'd rather see anime topics over political ones in here ;)
We all know Fricka has been pushing in the moderator forum for a mountain-climbing-and-hiking forum!
Brelkor
09-12-05, 02:34 PM
I would like to see some anime sans spikey hair. Thanks.
I would like to see some anime sans spikey hair. Thanks.
Good! You cut the list of 200,000,000 anime down to 180,000,000.Only 179,999,990 more to cut down before we can give you recommendations!
The problem, I think, with not having anime forums and posting here (as I'm sure most other will agree) is that anime posts are usually made as "per series" basis. So, that alone means suddenly making 16 topics to flood the forums with, sans old series that are still airing form last season or two and series that have ended.
So now we have about 50-60 series-specific threads. To add into the random anime posts and general discussion, we've got another 10 more just to begin with.
That's why I feel that many don't want to post so much. To talk about 5-10 different anime gets very disorienting and feels like it's not on topic. For instance, the occasional "new season" post I do, usually lasts about 30 posts or so before dying out because it loses focus. But, the series-specific Naruto has been going 200+ posts and running.
However, I guess instead of being all talk and no show, I should put some more effort into it. I'll try to see if I can do something.
ragweed
09-12-05, 06:02 PM
If Logged Out ever gets clogged because of it then we'll reconsider an entire forum for it.
So if we made a post for each anime title thus clogging up Logged Out, would that be grounds for an Anime Forum, or for a warning/suspension? :b :kroe
I dunno I'd like a topic about one piece though.
Yeah I was thinking I'd at least start a Bleach and One Piece thread as they are the most popular and consistent ongoing series at the moment. Monster would have been good but it might be a little late now as it's only about 18 episodes away from completion.
Oh well, I guess I'll go ahead and start them.
Personally I'm torn. I thought about this a while back, but figured it was best left in Logged Out. If we keep segregating everything from logged, everything's too fragmented IMO.
I'd also love to see you anime fans submit articles/reviews to our "library" as well. Perhaps that'll spark some topical interest that's more focused.
As much as I tease you guys occassionally, it's obviously a passion that kind of goes along with our rogue "geek culture." I'm not convinced you should be segregated out of "Logged" though.
Solanar
09-12-05, 06:50 PM
I vote we just give the ooc forum its old name back. I felt all lost the first time I went looking for Outside Norrath and it wasn't there...
I dunno, I've come to love Logged Out as well. Both are great names.
Should call it Outside Norrath/Logged Out!
Solanar
09-12-05, 06:57 PM
There is nothing like ambivalence! (or is there?)
Personally I'm torn. I thought about this a while back, but figured it was best left in Logged Out. If we keep segregating everything from logged, everything's too fragmented IMO.
I'd also love to see you anime fans submit articles/reviews to our "library" as well. Perhaps that'll spark some topical interest that's more focused.
As much as I tease you guys occassionally, it's obviously a passion that kind of goes along with our rogue "geek culture." I'm not convinced you should be segregated out of "Logged" though.
Hmm, I think I'll do that then. See how that goes. It's quite a difficult thing to tackle, since there are many ways to review a series, all with their own flaws. The best way is a by-the-episode basis, but that makes it difficult to get a general review and it takes a lot of work. Another way is to review it after it's complete, but the people who watch a series to completion will be a little or heavily biased because, they wouldn't finish it if they didn't like it.
And reviewing it before it finishes is unfair because it's not giving the whole series a chance. Oh well can't hurt to try.
You could give long summarys of whats happened so far in the series and the plus and minuses of whats been released. Then a year later go back and rerate them!
Sollon Darkmoon
09-12-05, 07:24 PM
For instance, the occasional "new season" post I do, usually lasts about 30 posts or so before dying out because it loses focus.
I miss those :(. I like the popular anime like everyone else but there are a few non popular ones that you point out that are pretty good.
Sollon Darkmoon
09-12-05, 07:25 PM
You could give long summarys of whats happened so far in the series and the plus and minuses of whats been released. Then a year later go back and rerate them!
Lol be carefull tho some of us could be way behind :P.
I wouldn't worry so much about "fairness" depending on how you approach it. 99% of our articles are op-ed pieces.
For the record, I got caught watching Naruto last night. The wife's like WTF are you watching. :lol I answered one word... "Safehouse." Cue eyeroll. :D
My four year old has been watching Avatar: The Last Airbender on Disney which I end up watching with him. I know it's Disney and all, but its actually a good show for young'uns. Good action, minimal violence.
Edit:test
99% of our articles are op-ed pieces.
Surely you jest :P
PS- Gar, I want the sig dividing line back. Posts just look funny now.
I miss those :(. I like the popular anime like everyone else but there are a few non popular ones that you point out that are pretty good.
I've actually been intendning to make one soon. The main reason for my reculance is because Kamichu! and Ichigo Mashimaro haven't been fansubbed very much. I wanted to wait until they get some more exposure before doing so. Maybe this weekend I will do it since both have at least 4 episodes subbed out already. And Mashimaro finally has a good group doing it.
Oh, was also waiting on Petopeto-san.
ragweed
09-12-05, 09:02 PM
I still hate you guys for getting me to watch FMA. :angry (Last Episode ending.)
Also just finished Naruto 126. (Yes I'm behind a bit, leave me alone I'm working on it :b)
Lenilya
09-13-05, 12:42 AM
I still hate you guys for getting me to watch FMA. :angry (Last Episode ending)
Just waitin' on the movie's sub to tie some of it up. Looks sweet, from the trailers at least.
ragweed
09-13-05, 07:42 AM
Movie? What movie?
There's a Fullmetal Alchemist movie coming out, but it's not a "ending" but rather a side story.
DarthEnder
09-14-05, 01:06 AM
Ah, like the Cowboy Bebop movie.
Biggwin
09-14-05, 01:06 PM
I have no problem with logged out being clogged up with Anime but would please, pretty please put Anime in the topic someplace. That one piece thread i have clicked that a dozen times and each was followed by, oh, nevermind.
Second the motion...
ANIME:: in front of the title would be good.. it might also show the staff how many anime posts are out there.
Sollon Darkmoon
09-14-05, 05:48 PM
Second the motion...
ANIME:: in front of the title would be good.. it might also show the staff how many anime posts are out there.
Hehe was thinking about doing this also. Makes it easier for anime fans to find the threads too :P.
DarthEnder
09-14-05, 06:04 PM
I have no problem with logged out being clogged up with Anime but would please, pretty please put Anime in the topic someplace. That one piece thread i have clicked that a dozen times and each was followed by, oh, nevermind.
I'm sorry, but that smacks of a mental deficiency, and I see no reason to coddle you.
If you can't remember that One Piece is anime by the twelveth...twelth...twelevethl...the dozenth time you clicked on it then the internet is beyond your depth. ...delpth?
Biggwin
09-14-05, 06:19 PM
yeah, what ever! no desire to point out the obvious.
Sollon Darkmoon
09-14-05, 06:28 PM
Play nice! :P
ut oh, I smell a show down between the political posters, and the animie posters.
Sollon Darkmoon
09-14-05, 06:50 PM
ut oh, I smell a show down between the political posters, and the animie posters.
Think this is why we wanted a diff area to post. A lot don't like seeing anime posts but we prob don't have enough to justify making one so we all just need to try to get along :P.
Yeah alot dont like poltic posts either. But yet they remain.
But I got a simple rule for politic posts.
1. If post is by hor, med, kriz, and a few others Ignore
2. If last post is made by the above posters, Ignore
3. If post has the any words that deal with goverment Ignore.
Its not that hard, and then I dont have to read a post that'll just get me agrivated seeing grown adults argue about something that wont even change anything instead of using that energy to actualy make a difference.
Oh ya i like video games.
Sollon Darkmoon
09-14-05, 07:08 PM
Oh ya i like video games.
Me too! :D :P
I don't know if I agree with ANIME in front, when others don't have to put POLITICS in front. But I don't really care enough to even bother to argue over such a trivial detail. Makes no difference, ANIME in front of the title, Krimzan/Meddik/Hor in the Author. Same thing.
EDIT:
:D
:D
See. Smileys. :) :) :D :D :D :lol :roofles :kroe
Only one thing can bring us together...
So what do you all think about Koizumi's plan to privatize the postal service? With his landslide win in the election over the weekend it seems almost a done deal, his party has two thirds of the lower house of parliament now, but I don't know about releasing that kind of 800-pound gorilla onto the market. Just turning a government monopoly into a private monopoly isn't any kind of improvement, and this one has trillions in assets. It will be a serious player on the world financial stage.
Also, probably ninjas.
Only one thing can bring us together...
So what do you all think about Koizumi's plan to privatize the postal service? With his landslide win in the election over the weekend it seems almost a done deal, his party has two thirds of the lower house of parliament now, but I don't know about releasing that kind of 800-pound gorilla onto the market. Just turning a government monopoly into a private monopoly isn't any kind of improvement, and this one has trillions in assets. It will be a serious player on the world financial stage.
Also, probably ninjas.
The greek forum is --------------> that way
Sollon Darkmoon
09-14-05, 08:10 PM
I don't know if I agree with ANIME in front, when others don't have to put POLITICS in front. But I don't really care enough to even bother to argue over such a trivial detail. Makes no difference, ANIME in front of the title, Krimzan/Meddik/Hor in the Author. Same thing.
EDIT:
:D
:D
See. Smileys. :) :) :D :D :D :lol :roofles :kroe
True I guess but thought it might make it easier for us to locate the threads faster heh. Altho you will prob be posting most of them so could just look for your name :P.
Sorry I like Smileys :kroe :lol :P
Haha, I was trying to emphasize that I was not trying to pick a fight, but rather being sarcastic. When I looked over my post before I edited, I almost wanted to pick a fight with myself. Oops.
Sollon Darkmoon
09-14-05, 08:15 PM
Haha, I was trying to emphasize that I was not trying to pick a fight, but rather being sarcastic. When I looked over my post before I edited, I almost wanted to pick a fight with myself. Oops.
:lol Its all good just messing with ya :P.
brudder you have rofles? Please share.
Leiciphis
09-14-05, 08:51 PM
For the record, I got caught watching Naruto last night. The wife's like WTF are you watching. :lol I answered one word... "Safehouse." Cue eyeroll. :D
I pity you. My girlfriend actually watches so much more anime than I, that on several occasions I've pretty much banned her from continuing a series until I could catch up with her. She on average watches about 3-4 series for every one we finish together. Oh, how I love that in her. =-)
Back on topic, I really would like to see more anime forums keep their heads above water. Only the most popular of series seem to stay afloat. A separate forum might be nice, but at the moment I half expect a separate forum to die out before too long. At the very least, I consider this thread as more of a "Don't be afraid to start a random thread on an anime series, as long as it begins with ANIME::"
*begins writing his random-anime-thread generator*
DarthEnder
09-15-05, 01:31 PM
Well, the thing about an all encompassing anime forum is its never gonna "die out" because theres always new anime.
Lenilya
09-16-05, 03:00 AM
And people can ALLWAYS debate evangellion.
"Greatest anime ever made" my @#$% ass!
Len, I would watch an anime about your ass.
Seriously guys, I just dont *get* the whole anime fascination. But then, my only experience with stuff close to anime was Dragonball Z and Pokemon (made in the same country right?).
If that's *not* anime, I'll try anything once. Recommend me something that I can get on Netflix and I'll see ...
Far as an anime forum, I'd be fine with it cause it keeps all the anime crap out of the logged out forum.
Don't let those orthodontists lie to you, Kinare. They never take the damned things off when they say they will!
Seriously guys, I just dont *get* the whole anime fascination. But then, my only experience with stuff close to anime was Dragonball Z and Pokemon (made in the same country right?).
If that's *not* anime, I'll try anything once. Recommend me something that I can get on Netflix and I'll see ...
Anime is really easy to understand, just equate them to major motion pictures. Major motion pictures are classified in various types. You have your "actiony blow stuff up movies" you have your "creepy psychological thrillers", you have your "artsy aesthetically pleasing films, usually about human drama", you have your "too hardcore and graphic to release to theatre" movies....
Now, to bring that over to anime, take any one of those major types, and then add the following (although these are more stereotypical than descriptive)-
-Magic
-Ninjas
-Giant Robots
-Futuristic Society
-Medieval Themes
-Modern Society with a strange bent
Anime isn't as easily classified as movies are. You can have a "blow stuff up movie" that's an anime, but it also addresses deeper questions of humanity (or maybe guys just have spikey hair and go "AAAHHHHHH" a lot). Anime tends to do a few things at once, at least, the quality anime does. The US has started cranking out a lot of 'anime light' lately, that's lite on art style, plot, ect.... That's a lot of what you're seeing on Kid's TV these days, and now it's spilling over into the 'adult' anime market, where these visually appealing anime are being produced that have the depth of a saturday morning cartoon. (And I'm looking at you, Scryed)
If you want, and my experience with "great" animes is pretty limited, an anime that is non-typical (read as: no spikey hair, no Nuclear bomb-esqe super hero power imagery, no swords, no flashy combat scenes, no robots, no dragons, ect...) check out Paranoia Agent. (Although I guess according to what I just said, Paranoia agent has a lot of those things, in very very small doses). I think it's a great, serious anime with a clean art style and a story that bends your mind like a pretzel. For me, it typifies what anime can be when it isn't playing to the 10-18 demographic, or the hardcore anime otakus. I like Anime that is serious, that isn't kiddy or silly or over the top. The grimer, grittier anime is the type that I'm most drawn to.
And for the record, I followed DBZ regularly as a younger adult. :P
Disclaimer- I am not an otaku. Nor am I really even big on anime. So interpret these opinions as such, some of our more learned anime forum goers might have a largely different take on it.
And while I'm here...anime buffs. What do you guys think about the A-bomb motif that appears in at least 1/3 of all animes? Is that a super pervasive theme in anime in general?
Sollon Darkmoon
09-16-05, 01:03 PM
If you want, and my experience with "great" animes is pretty limited, an anime that is non-typical (read as: no spikey hair, no Nuclear bomb-esqe super hero power imagery, no swords, no flashy combat scenes, no robots, no dragons, ect...) check out Paranoia Agent. (Although I guess according to what I just said, Paranoia agent has a lot of those things, in very very small doses). I think it's a great, serious anime with a clean art style and a story that bends your mind like a pretzel. For me, it typifies what anime can be when it isn't playing to the 10-18 demographic, or the hardcore anime otakus. I like Anime that is serious, that isn't kiddy or silly or over the top. The grimer, grittier anime is the type that I'm most drawn to.
If you liked Paranoia Agent you would prob love Monster. Very serious and dark. Lots of physiological/moral things you can ponder on.
My wife and I saw the first disc of Paranoia Agent and thought it was great. Unfortunately our friend, who has the netflix membership, was a bit bored because it didn't involve spaceships, fighting, babes/robots/babe robots with guns, or the like.
Is Paranoia Agent a turnoff for Otaku?
Well, otaku is not a strict definiton. Better way to think of it is:
There are geeks. But you have subgenres of geeks. You have hardware geeks, game geeks, d and d geeks, math geeks, etc.
Otaku is the same. Then when you get to anime otaku, you have various types. In japan, they don't ask if you are a fan of anime, like here. They ask, what genre of anime are you a fan of.
The otaku of anime appreciate all things quality. So paranois agent would be appreciated by otaku, and fans of it's genre.
Because of the fact anime has ambigious classifications, most are classified by age group. Hence shonen is young boys. Shoujo is young girls. Etc you'd probably do well to look for your own age group and you will probably find the more mature anime you want.
Not neccessarily always the case, as pretty cure is aimed at young girls and has alarge 16 to 40 male fanbase.
And nenjin is right about classifications. Anime is not a genre, it is a type of entertainment like television, movie, books, etc. Pokemon and dbz are aimed at young kids, so of course it doesn't appeal to most adults.
As for the spirit force, its a prevalent concept since the samurai times of intent to kill, sakkai, chi of buddhism, etc etc. It just got manipulated to be fun to see, instead of boring old men looking like they want to take a crap but can't.
Also, one thing to consider is, Anime is really a very limited form of entertainment. It is limited by the number of viewers, budget, etc. But Manga is where it's at if you are REALLY looking for HQ stuff.
Manga takes up 40% of all books in Japan. There's something for EVERYONE. Much unlike Anime, which often is only chosen to appeal to the largest audience. So it's very extreme in it's division. You have a crapload of anime for children (Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Prince of Tennis, Pretty Cure, Cardcaptor Sakura, Sailor Moon, etc). Then you have a crapload of anime for Otaku (Tsukuyomi ~Moon Phase~ Shingetsutan Tsukihime, Ichigo Mashimaro, Kimi ga Nozomu Eien, Fate//Stay Night, Maria-sama ga Miteru)
So it's very divided that way, often very little anime in the middle-ground gets released. Mostly because those two are the largest market, because of the anime stigma in Japan. Older people who watch anime are weird freaks who kill and rape little children. So only those who accept their passion are willing to watch it, and only children who havent grown up watch it.
But, Manga is for everyone of all ages. There's no stigma involved. So it's much, much more diverse.
As for recommendations, Paranoia Agent appears to be popular with the casual anime crowd, as mentioned above. You can't possibly go wrong with any of the recent Studio Ghibli films that have been released (Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, My Neighbor Totoro, My Neighbors the Yamadas, Pom Poko, Porco Rosso, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind)
Other stuff to consider would be the lesser known Voices of a Distant Star, The Place Promised In Our Early Days. There's also Fullmetal Alchemist, but it does fit in your sterotypes very well, even though it's a superb anime with a lot to say. Another good one would be the Ghost in the Shell franchise, (Ghost in the Shell, Ghost in the Shell: Innocence, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig).
There's really a lot. Human Crossings comes to mind too.
My take on (American) Anime Otaku is like this. They definitely know what they like, and they have seen practically everything that falls under the ruberic of 'anime'. And if they haven't seen everything, they are at least generally aware of most anime that is out right now, enough to the point that they have an opinion on it. Slightly different than the Japanese Otaku, who as Stalkyr said, make pretty sharp distinctions between the different genres in Anime.
The reason, I think, average Joe american doesn't get Anime is because of the way it's presented here. You go to your typical video store, and all the anime is lumped under "Special interest" (or some such designation). So you'll have, say, Evangelion sitting next to Akira, sitting next to (damn, can't think of the name. Some anime with a big rose petal motif, sword fighting, and lots of effiminate men), sitting next to Furi Kuri.
That's like taking Blockbuster's kid section, adult section, action section, and drama section, and listing all the movies from them in alphabetical order on the same rack. Americans who don't have a good grasp of anime can't untangle that, so they tend to look at anime, I think, as one homogenous type of entertainment, with the same themes and style, rather than a wide range of styles, themes, motifs, and flavors. And that's why it's hard for me to go out and pick out anime to watch.....I have very little clue exactly what type of movie I'm picking out from that rack, because Americans (other than specialty anime stores) don't take the time to distinguish between them.
Sollon Darkmoon
09-16-05, 02:38 PM
So it's very divided that way, often very little anime in the middle-ground gets released. Mostly because those two are the largest market, because of the anime stigma in Japan. Older people who watch anime are weird freaks who kill and rape little children. So only those who accept their passion are willing to watch it, and only children who havent grown up watch it.
But, Manga is for everyone of all ages. There's no stigma involved. So it's much, much more diverse.
Sorry if this is dumb but have to ask. So in Japan watching anime when your older is not really accepted? So when your older you are supposed to read Manga and that is treated as the norm?
In the US older ppl reading Manga or watching anime gives us looks :P. We are a small % I suppose and I guess some don't see past the pOrn aspect of it. Or something like that :P.
So in Japan watching anime when your older is not really accepted?
It is TOTALLY socially acceptable in Japan for a 50 year old man to go to a theatre to see an anime entitled "Happy Kitty Flower Princess". Like Stalkyr said, the anime that is intended for girls ages ~12+ has a huge following of older men over the age of 40. There are various reasons for that, some benign, some kind of icky, but either way, the Japanese don't stigmatize on the issue. The age ranges Stalkyr listed are more general guidelines.....but that's not to say a 12 year old boy might prefer deeper, more serious anime, while a 45 year old man prefers giant robot slugfests or DBZ style anime. (Or child-like female driven anime.........)
It is TOTALLY socially acceptable in Japan for a 50 year old man to go to a theatre to see an anime entitled "Happy Kitty Flower Princess". Like Stalkyr said, the anime that is intended for girls ages ~12+ has a huge following of older men over the age of 40. There are various reasons for that, some benign, some kind of icky, but either way, the Japanese don't stigmatize on the issue. The age ranges Stalkyr listed are more general guidelines.....but that's not to say a 12 year old boy might prefer deeper, more serious anime, while a 45 year old man prefers giant robot slugfests or DBZ style anime. (Or child-like female driven anime.........)
Actually, I hate to be picky, but the Japanese DO make it a social stigma. It is unacceptable for a 50 year old japanese man to see anything but Studio Ghibli films.
Studio Ghibli is the only animation studio that is accepted by the general public. If a 50 year old Japanese man said to his co-worker, I went to see the Fullmetal Alchemist movie in theater the other day, he would be shunned as a social reject.
A lot of the Anime stigma that exists is due to an isolated incident not that long ago, in the 80's. There's a long story, but a man kidnapped some children, mutilated and raped them before killing them, sent pictures to their families, apologized to them and proceeded to repeat the act to other children. It became a huge scare and eventually he was caught by a father who was nearby who almost had his daughter kidnapped.
Upon entering his house, they found a lot of anime pedophilia called Lolicon. The japanese public associated anime with this incident, so Otaku do not tell anyone their interests, in fear of being shunned by their friends and family and co-workers. It is completely unacceptable for anyone but children to like anime, and everyone else to like anything but Ghibli.
Despite all this, the Japanese like to wear masks at work, and never allow anyone to find out their true selves, and come home to watch anime all night to escape from the harsh reality. One of the many reasons why the Japanese Otaku love anime.
Sollon Darkmoon
09-16-05, 03:14 PM
Actually, I hate to be picky, but the Japanese DO make it a social stigma. It is unacceptable for a 50 year old japanese man to see anything but Studio Ghibli films.
Studio Ghibli is the only animation studio that is accepted by the general public. If a 50 year old Japanese man said to his co-worker, I went to see the Fullmetal Alchemist movie in theater the other day, he would be shunned as a social reject.
A lot of the Anime stigma that exists is due to an isolated incident not that long ago, in the 80's. There's a long story, but a man kidnapped some children, mutilated and raped them before killing them, sent pictures to their families, apologized to them and proceeded to repeat the act to other children. It became a huge scare and eventually he was caught by a father who was nearby who almost had his daughter kidnapped.
Upon entering his house, they found a lot of anime pedophilia called Lolicon. The japanese public associated anime with this incident, so Otaku do not tell anyone their interests, in fear of being shunned by their friends and family and co-workers. It is completely unacceptable for anyone but children to like anime, and everyone else to like anything but Ghibli.
When you say Anime you mean the shows or Manga or Both? I kinda thought that the reading of Manga was pretty much excepted (all ages). I kinda knew that some anime (shows) where prob frowned on but seemed to me many accepted Manga reading.
It is completely unacceptable for anyone but children to like anime, and everyone else to like anything but Ghibli.
So this applys to both Manga and anime?
Lol sorry its sorta confuseing in a way b/c i thought any Manga reading was pretty much acceptable and some anime was frowned on. But what happened in result of those murders seems extreme it must have been worse than what you have told us =/. Kinda feels like blameing GTA for all the killing on the streets and then shuning everyone who plays these types of games.
Anime only, manga is accepted, pretty much.
And it is a lot worse than I said, the mutilation was horrible and on tape, the families were terrorized and had any hope destroyed and the public was consumed with anger at the man's actions until he was caught.
On the flip side of that coin however.... Maid Cafe's and such are a huge market in japan right now. Though they dont admit to "Watching" anime there is not shortage of people going to anime related busineses.
Geeks agree sexy servant hotel is maid in heaven (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/archive/news/2005/06/20050623p2g00m0et020000c.html)
Otaku outraged over cracks in make-up of maids at sexy servant hotel (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/archive/news/2005/08/20050825p2g00m0dm011000c.html)
Japan recruits romantic otaku geeks to revive economy (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/archive/news/2005/08/20050802p2g00m0dm015000c.html)
Mind you most of those are about the 'adult market' and can be consitered abit risque anyway.
It being for the adult business is one case, but another important point is that most of these are in Akihabara, a small area in tokyo, where mostly only otaku go to for buying things related to the otaku. So they are "among peers" so to speak. I imagine if one of those were placed in Shibuya, it wouldn't be nearly as successful.
Akihabara rocks!!
Geeks wet dream
Sollon Darkmoon
09-16-05, 05:05 PM
Wow lots of interesting facts here :).
Despite all this, the Japanese like to wear masks at work, and never allow anyone to find out their true selves, and come home to watch anime all night to escape from the harsh reality. One of the many reasons why the Japanese Otaku love anime.
Don't look unless you seen Paranoia Agent.
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Is this kinda the same point that Paranoia Agent was trying to get across except useing Paranoia? Kinda useing the maromi (sp) show as an escape of reality but in the end people had to face the reality? And when they had to relize that reality thus the Paranoia Agent came to end the pain. I dunno hehe i just see it as kinda the same in some weird way :P.
Actually, I hate to be picky,
Well, seeing as I'm wrong on the issue, I wouldn't call it picky. The (limited) information I'd read on anime in the larger japanese culture said that there was no stigma attatched to grown men watching cartoons, or going to a theater to see a cartoon, so I kinda extended that to mean all anime. Somehow I guess I'm not surprised, because I always thought it odd how they wouldn't stigmatize 50 year old guys going to see anime with little girls.
DarthEnder
09-17-05, 12:04 AM
Otaku is the same. Then when you get to anime otaku, you have various types. In japan, they don't ask if you are a fan of anime, like here. They ask, what genre of anime are you a fan of.
My classification is Narutard!
You know, I think there are some people in this thread that are giving you an idealized view of Japan that I'd swear they are getting from reading Megatokyo and has no basis in reality.
The idea that "It is TOTALLY socially acceptable in Japan for a 50 year old man to go to a theatre to see an anime entitled "Happy Kitty Flower Princess"" is ridiculous. Such a person is still considered a wierdo by everyone sitting around him.
The "fat loser who obsesses over kids shows" is as much a mocked sterotype over there as it is here.
Lenilya
09-17-05, 12:52 AM
Yar, anime gots a bad rap for no real reason. In japan, that aforementioned incident skewed everyone's view of it, and over here the marketing style skews the public into thinking it's all 'kiddy fluff'. Sad, 'cause all the better ones slip under the radar, in favor of chopped-up kiddy shows. Like what they did with One Piece.
Just don't make the first anime you try and watch be something like Neon Genesis Evangellion, aka The Most Controversial Anime Ever Created. That can ya off to all things anime pretty quick if it isn't your bag baby, yeah.
I suggest Cowboy Bebop, period. Cowboy Bebop is, imho, anime done 'right'. The North American version keeps all the laid-back feel, without resorting to forced humor, or dumbing down the dialog to make the plot 'more understandable' for a younger audience. 7 years after being produced, it has lost NONE of its appeal, unlike several other 'classic' series (like NG:E, imho).
Here (http://animeworld.com/quicklooks/cowboybebop.html) is a pretty good overview of CB.
DarthEnder
09-17-05, 12:57 AM
I'd also like to recommend Samurai Champloo as an "entry-level" anime. It manages to be action packed, funny, and still mature all at the same time. And there's nothing in the plot that needs to be explained to anyone.
Samurai Champloo is a fun time. I only watched it once, and It was enjoyable.
Funny, nge is a legend here for totally different reasons than japan. Not a bad thing to say the least, I'm a big supporter of americans making their own anime culture rather than mimicing japan. Even though we could do well to learn a few things from them.
Loved champloo, but it won't change the minds of those who watch it with strong bias beforehand as it has most anime cliches in it. Too bad, really.
A good stereotype breaker would also be Kino's Journey. Highly recommended.
I loved Spirited Away. I'll give the first disk of Paranoia Agent a shot. Thanks.
EDIT: And you are right, my orthodontist told me a freaking YEAR ago that my braces would come off. But this time they are "pretty sure." I've had the damn things on for 4 years. AAAH!