View Full Version : Table saw that won't cut you finger off...
http://www.sawstop.com/
This is really neat. The details are tere on the site, but basically, the saw can detect when it is cutting into flesh, instead of wood, and automatically stops.
Go there and see the video where they test it on a hotdog.
Holy crap!!! That was really cool. I thought it would be a real gimmick when I saw the post, but wow. Wood shop just got a lot safer.
Santril
06-26-06, 08:29 AM
That's an awesome display of modern technology and engineering at work. Not to mention, one of the best commercials I've ever seen for this kind of thing.
I'm about *this* far from taking this to the local schoolboard to have all the woodsaws at the local highschools replaced. In our county, we had over 50 accidents on those in the last 3 years alone.
Ah, that reminds me of the last day of woodworking class in grade eight. Everyone rushing to finish their projects, and suddenly the scream of pain as one kid slices up a couple of his fingers on the band saw.
ragweed
06-26-06, 09:32 AM
Would have been useful 20 years ago when my grandfather almost completely severed 2 fingers. Meh, they reattached them so it's all good.
I keep watching the Hot Dog video and asking how the heck they are doing it. Its up one second and down the next. I understand they just drop the blade, but how does the blade know when its wood and when its flesh?
I expect it's something to do with the amount of resistance encountered by the blade. If it's significantly lower than what might be offered by the softest wood but is non-zero, then the blade drops. Just a guess though.
Diziet Asahi
06-26-06, 11:08 AM
From the product page:
The SawStop safety system includes an electronic detection system that detects when a person contacts the blade. The system induces an electrical signal onto the blade and then monitors that signal for changes. The human body has a relatively large inherent electrical capacitance and conductivity which cause the signal to drop when a person contacts the blade. Wood has a relatively small inherent capacitance and conductivity and does not cause the signal to drop.
Damnit Diziet Asahi ya beat me to the post.. but at least I have video so nannynannybooboo
I read the site.. and they said that the blade is carrying a small electrical charge... once the finger(hotdog) comes into contact with the blade the drops and the sensors detect it.... wich causes strong spring to force a "brake" against the saw blade causing it to suddenly stop.. and since it still has momentium.... the brake causes that momentium to shift downward.. so the blade is actually pushing itself down with it's own force.
I'm guessing the same thing would happen if you touched the side of the blade too.
the video shows the brake being eaten up a little bit so not sure how many times you can safely use a brake.
here's the demo video about it
http://www.sawstop.com/media/MOV/Stephen.htm
Santril
06-26-06, 11:17 AM
the video shows the brake being eaten up a little bit so not sure how many times you can safely use a brake.
According to the Demo video (the first one that explained the safety system), you use the brake once, then replace it.
According to the Demo video (the first one that explained the safety system), you use the brake once, then replace it.
Sent this link to my company's compliance/safety guys who dug around a bit. If triggered, replacement part runs $50 plus potentially a new blade. Sounds expensive, but I'll choose a finger any day. :p I'm sure potential disability and lawsuit costs make it even more woirth the while.
They were impressed to say the least. The guys also wondered what happens when the circuitboard gets a good coating of dust on it. That ^#%$ does get everywhere, regardless of how well something is covered.
Am I the only one who fears for the future abilities of our woodworkers because they don't have the threat of a missing finger to keep them on their game? Not looking like your shop teacher was a great reason to pay attention. :P
There's still band saws for the slow kids.
$50 isnt that bad. As a business owner, you pay the price to replace the brake/blade and you tell the guy "You obviously were being careless with the equipment and it cost me $50. If you do it again, it will cost you your job. We work with tools that can be deadly if misused here, I will not let your carelessness endanger others."
What I dont understand though, is why people would be pushing the wood from directly in front of the blade. When I was taught shop safety we were told to place both hands on the either side of the wood and then push the wood through slowly. That way your hands are out of the way of the blade and you get even pressure and a more accurate cut.
Measure twice, cut once!
Biggwin
06-26-06, 12:31 PM
Sent this link to my company's compliance/safety guys who dug around a bit. If triggered, replacement part runs $50 plus potentially a new blade. Sounds expensive, but I'll choose a finger any day. :p I'm sure potential disability and lawsuit costs make it even more woirth the while.
They were impressed to say the least. The guys also wondered what happens when the circuitboard gets a good coating of dust on it. That ^#%$ does get everywhere, regardless of how well something is covered.
I agree, hmmm... $50 and blade compared against hospital visit, and possibly no finger...
AngryBearsFan
06-26-06, 12:42 PM
Am I reading this right. The saw detects cutting into flesh, then it shuts down.
Naturally, you never are going to saw your finger...so if you do you are basically unaware. You will leave your finger where it is, then after a second you will feel the pain.
But the saw already was cutting your finger. And the saw doesn't stop altogether, it winds down...meaning it still is cutting your finger.
You dont pull your finger away from a saw because it has stopped cutting, you pull it away in pain. That reaction is the same, whether the saw is cutting or not, and as long as the blade is moving you are still in danger.
The saw detects cutting into flesh, then it shuts down.
The saw senses flesh present, and it emergency brakes the saw blade. Which is why you have to buy both a replacement brake pad after you do it, and probably a new blade. Stopping a saw blade that is spinning a couple thousand RPMs to a dead stop in a matter of seconds will ruin it, but it will be that fewer milliseconds its spinning through your flesh.
Although technically you are correct. The amount of damage a saw blade can do even in a fraction of a second is usually a lot. However, like people have said, its the difference between having half a finger left, and no finger at all.
The worst thing that can happen in a shop acciedent is not losing a digit. The worst thing that can happen is that something gets caught in the machinery, and gets twisted and/or dragged into the machinery. You can go from losing a finger or maybe a hand to your whole freaking arm, type of machinery withstanding. Emergency kill/stop measures are designed to prevent that more than anything else. (Or like a block of unsecured wood getting caught by the blade because you're too busy bleeding, and it gets flung completely at random at a good 50mph through the shop).
AaronEuth
06-26-06, 12:55 PM
I think that any event that triggers the breaking mechanism would have resulted in an injury that led to a hospital visit. I'm not even referring to major accidents, but the absolute best case scenario for a table saw mishap. I know that each time we sent a worker to the doctor at my old construction job, it cost far more than 50 dollars in immediete fees. Drug test, we always would send another worker with them who was on the clock (usually the hurt guy was too). Just in pure time lost it was more than a replacement saw. Then you get into an insurance deductable etc. Cost wise, there really isn't any reason for any construction business to not have this.
Watch the video.
The saw doesn't wind down, it stops. Immediately.
Like putting a crowbar in the spokes of someone's bike, without the "over the handlebars" action.
AaronEuth
06-26-06, 12:59 PM
And just as important, not only does it stop almost instantaneously (1/5000 of a second), the saw retracts back into the machinery in that timeframe, away from your hand. So even if it did have another half inch of spin left, it does it in the machine.
What I dont understand though, is why people would be pushing the wood from directly in front of the blade. When I was taught shop safety we were told to place both hands on the either side of the wood and then push the wood through slowly. That way your hands are out of the way of the blade and you get even pressure and a more accurate cut.
Shop class is one of those budget cuts sweeping the nation's public education system. Right after music and the arts!
Not trying to derail, but in my area most shop classes have been removed from curriculums. If you want vocational classes, you must choose between a vocational curriculum or standard "college bound" curriculum because the "shop" oriented get bussed to the local vocational/tech college.
I'm sitting here wondering what other kind of crap you can run through that sawblade and have it turn off. Like a Tunafish sandwhich.
**** that. How am I going to cut my tuna sandwiches in half now?
nekoken
06-26-06, 03:01 PM
I was a carpenter for six years.
I remember reading about the sawstop a year or two ago.
The thing is wood isn't the only thing that gets run through a tablesaw. We often cut pink foam or foil coated foam with one. Cut a lot of Hardi plank back in the day too with a masonry blade (that was sure hard on the old saw.) Then there's plastics and other random substances what needed cutting. Additionally I don't know that it would hold up too well when you are moving the saw between jobsites on a regular basis.
Situational awareness is a better solution for the average contractor in my opinion.
Ze Carpenter answers the question. I figure if you run enough friction across the right kind of surface (say insulation foam or plastics) you would be able to generate the kind of activity that the blade sensors would register as someone's hand.
If you watch the Hot Dog demo, you can see that the hot dog gets knicked, but not much more. It would probably be like a bad knife cut(possible hospital visit with stitches) but the saw stops/drops pretty darn fast.
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 04:45 PM
Unless those substances are conductive and have significant electrical capacitance, and to the best of my knowledge they dont, you figure wrong. The Carpenter figured wrong. In any event, it seems extremely unlikely that the developers are unaware of the uses to which these saws are put, or the conditions under which they are used, and cannot therefore properly answer your questions on the limitations of usage with regards to materials or conditions. So if you have a concern about materials spoofing the sensors, or portability of the unit, or sawdust contamination, then, oh, ASK THEM, maybe?... Just a thought. Its easy to do, gets you the information you need to make an intelligent informed decision, and saves you from automatic naysaying which doesnt make you look clever...
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Varia
ok i have a question id love to ask the makers of that saw,from what i saw it has a small electrical charge in the blade and when you hit it with something conductive like a finger it senses the currency drop and shuts down, so my question is what happens if your using wet wood? wouldnt that make it stop also, and if so id guess we wont be seeing many of these saws in Seattle
Its easy to do, gets you the information you need to make an intelligent informed decision, and saves you from automatic naysaying which doesnt make you look clever...
As opposed to just getting all huffy and typing out an anti-naysayer post? Where the hell did that come from? And if that is naysaying from me or anyone else in the thread, then man, you haven't been reading this board long enough. Its called discourse, mostly from people bored at work. You can ask dictionary.com for their definition.
Still nothing to stop kick back though right? So the really slow kids can catch a one by to the temple when what they're cuting flies back at them at half the speed of sound.
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 05:21 PM
Ah, watched the promo video- it has a key-activated disable for the safety system, so if youre going to cut something conductive you can manually disable the system. As I said, it requires turning a key, so you cant accidentally turn it off, and you can even remove the key entirely to be extra sure, if you like.
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 05:53 PM
As opposed to just getting all huffy and typing out an anti-naysayer post? Where the hell did that come from? And if that is naysaying from me or anyone else in the thread, then man, you haven't been reading this board long enough. Its called discourse, mostly from people bored at work. You can ask dictionary.com for their definition.
Well ok, lets ask dictionary.com for thier definition of naysaying-
nay·say ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ns)
tr.v. nay·said, (-sd) nay·say·ing, nay·says (-sz)
To oppose, deny, or take a pessimistic or negative view of: They will naysay any policy that raises taxes.
I'd qualify the "Oh I'm sure plastic or insulation would somehow do something (without being able to say what that something is...) to fake it out" with the implied "so its not really such a good feature" as naysaying. Especially when thats covered in the info on the site, and is in fact not an issue, and you could/should have known that before posting... So you were posting unresearched negativity into the bargain! Sounded pretty pessimistic to me. What would YOU like to classify it as?
The Carpenters post wasnt exactly abuzz with positivity either. "Real carpenters cut more than just wood, so this saw is silly", "Oh I'm sure its too gimmicky and fragile to be moved around much so its not for serious workers", etc. Pessimistic? And a whiff of denial too. Hmm...
Angrybearsfan was naysaying too, with his "it takes so long for a blade to wind down that this feature is obviously useless" post. But that made it so painfully obvious that he hadnt watched even the most fundamental of the videos linked (the hotdog video) that even the braindead should easily ignore his post.
But your post had enough of a touch of apparent intelligence/plausibility in it that it might find traction in the minds of those lazy enough to not thoroughly check the site themselves (not watch more than just the hotdog video, forinstance) that it was much more insidious and pernicious and therefore needed to be debunked. So I did. You were being pessimistic and uninformed, and sheeplike (Oh, carpenter was a carpenter, he must be an authority, I'll echo what he says without checking things for myself, which you easily could have done, and should have), so I pointed it out.
As for discourse-
dis·course ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dskôrs, -krs)
n.
Verbal expression in speech or writing.
Verbal exchange; conversation.
A formal, lengthy discussion of a subject, either written or spoken.
Archaic. The process or power of reasoning.
I'm expressing myself in writing, in a verbal exchange. Nowhere does it say anything about politeness or agreement. And if you want lengthy, I'm famous for lengthy! :P Sounds like discourse to me. I'm just winning, is all. :P (My opinion, of course)
Your serve.
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Varia
Only here could we have a flamewar about lack of faith in table saws.
Like I said, you're typing a big post to deride people who are just discussing this thing. ZOMG we aren't asking emailing the the product reps for Truth! As if we are going to go out into the streets tomorrow and decry the lie that is the tablesaw that won't cut your finger off. Its a rare pleasure that I get to see someone get this bent out of shape and we're not talking about Bush. Might want to save all that outrage for something a little less....trivial?
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 06:22 PM
Still nothing to stop kick back though right? So the really slow kids can catch a one by to the temple when what they're cuting flies back at them at half the speed of sound.
It has a riving knife which sits behind the saw blade to help keep the cut material from closing up and catching on the back of the saw blade and causing a kickback. So it has a device to at least reduce the chances of a kickback, although theyre not claiming anything more than reducing the chances, rather than preventing it altogether. A common device in europe, but not so much in north america apparently, or so they say. Better than nothing, anyway, but yes, kickback is still a possibility, so cut accordingly.
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Varia
Oh, I found it odd that in their future products section their prototype chop saw prevented cutting off fingers like the others, but apparently does so by preventing the upward motion of the spinning blade, rather than by crash-stopping the spinning of the blade like their table and band saws do. I guess it makes sense since its the saw blade moving into you thats the issue there, rather than you moving into the blade (as you do in table and band saws), but it still seems out of place somehow. On the other hand it doesnt seem to involve any kind of brake so its probably cheaper to reset after triggering, if it even needs to be reset at all.
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 06:35 PM
Like I said, you're typing a big post to deride people who are just discussing this thing. ZOMG we aren't asking emailing the the product reps for Truth! As if we are going to go out into the streets tomorrow and decry the lie that is the tablesaw that won't cut your finger off. Its a rare pleasure that I get to see someone get this bent out of shape and we're not talking about Bush. Might want to save all that outrage for something a little less....trivial?
Hey, if you can be bored at work, I can be bored at work too! Heck, if my posts are longer that means I'm more bored than you are, so I win that too! Er, yay... :P
I'm just deriding 3 people.
Stupidity and laziness are rarely trivial.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil (or stupidity etc) is that good men do nothing. If youre permitted to be ignorant and lazy on a small thing today, what will you be ignorant and lazy on tomorrow?
Pleasure etc- changing the subject are we? Trying to get away from the fact that you were wrong, without having to acknowledge it? Oh, it was just an amusement for me, and it wasnt important anyway? Uh huh.
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Varia
Pleasure etc- changing the subject are we? Trying to get away from the fact that you were wrong, without having to acknowledge it? Oh, it was just an amusement for me, and it wasnt important anyway? Uh huh.
No, just letting you know what I'm getting out of this. If I wanted to be right, I'd do all the things you mentioned about asking them what tests they'd run, or all that well thought out, time consuming stuff. If I wanted to kill time so you start posting like a condescending keyboard warrior with a bent for the petty, I'd be doing what I'm doing right now.
it has a key-activated disable for the safety system, so if youre going to cut something conductive you can manually disable the system
yay so now exactly how does a person determine if piece of wood or whatever is conductive? run it thru and keep your fingers crossed (no pun intended) that you dont get to go out and buy a new brake and a new saw blade? i'd almost be willing to bet that you never see this on a construction site, in a manufacturing plant i see it working fine, in the field no way
i like the idea, but IMO it needs more work
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 07:20 PM
No, just letting you know what I'm getting out of this. If I wanted to be right, I'd do all the things you mentioned about asking them what tests they'd run, or all that well thought out, time consuming stuff. If I wanted to kill time so you start posting like a condescending keyboard warrior with a bent for the petty, I'd be doing what I'm doing right now.
That would make you a troll instead. Not exactly an improvement. Put me down as politely skeptical. I'm not convinced youre clever enough to be a good troll.
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Varia
Santril
06-26-06, 07:35 PM
Only here could we have a flamewar about lack of faith in table saws.
QFT. I love The Safehouse. ^_^
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 07:39 PM
Hey, its the intraweb- flamewars (and pron) are what its FOR!!! But I do not propose to post pron here, so that just leaves flames. :)
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Varia
That would make you a troll instead. Not exactly an improvement. Put me down as politely skeptical. I'm not convinced youre clever enough to be a good troll.
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Varia
Only Nenjin isn't a troll at all. He's Nenjin, and he's a well respected poster. Arguing with him in the manner that you are just makes you look like a troll.
DarthEnder
06-26-06, 07:58 PM
Only Nenjin isn't a troll at all. He's Nenjin, and he's a well respected poster. Arguing with him in the manner that you are just makes you look like a troll.Respected?
REALLY?
C'mon man.
Santril
06-26-06, 07:59 PM
Yeah, I have to agree. He's a...um....notorious poster. Respected?
.....
Uh...
For lack of a better response...
DHITP!
Just a bit of forum dynamic observation but I've always loved it when a newb (sorry you only have 89 posts compared to Nenjins gajillion) calls a long time poster a troll.
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 08:23 PM
yay so now exactly how does a person determine if piece of wood or whatever is conductive? run it thru and keep your fingers crossed (no pun intended) that you dont get to go out and buy a new brake and a new saw blade? i'd almost be willing to bet that you never see this on a construction site, in a manufacturing plant i see it working fine, in the field no way
i like the idea, but IMO it needs more work
How exactly does a person determine? You could read the manual! That too is on the website. It specifically mentions carbon-fiber materials and metals as substances that are conductive and thus require the bypass, although it doesnt say thats an exhaustive list. The wording suggests that a professional would know which common materials that he uses are conductive and which are not. However, it also specifically states that if youre unsure about a material you should do a few test cuts with the safety off, since it still keeps track of whether or not the safety would have gone off if it were active, and displays a message accordingly. You can thus tell by the message it displays whether or not the material is conductive, and whether you need to keep the safety off while working with it or not. Most accidents occur when your attention lapses. If you are sufficiently focused to know if a materials conductivity is unknown and requires a test, then youre probably safe from a lapse while testing. The manual also says that it can detect if the wood youre cutting is so wet or green that it will interfere with the safety system, and that the saw will shut itself down (without activating the brake, apparently) if it is, and must then be turned off and back on to re-enable it if this happens, presumably to ensure that the user doesnt miss the warning message. So it seems that wet wood is not an accidental activation issue at least, and if for some reason you cannot wait for the wood to dry/cure and must work with the safety off then youre no worse off than with any other saw, and hopefully this will be sufficiently non-routine that you will be less likely to have an attention lapse during that time.
It may not be a perfect solution, but overall it seems like a considerable improvement, both in the shop and in the field. After all, even in the field the wood is more often dry than wet, let alone so wet as to interfere with the system. It may not be able to save them all, but any finger saved is a good finger, especially if you need that finger next time someone cuts you off in traffic.
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Varia
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 08:34 PM
Only Nenjin isn't a troll at all. He's Nenjin, and he's a well respected poster. Arguing with him in the manner that you are just makes you look like a troll.
Shrug. I'm using facts that can be checked and disputed. Nobody has even remotely suggested that my facts are wrong yet, much less proven it. The objectors have merely objected to my impoliteness pointing out others errors. Nenjin has been shown to not be using facts in this thread, and to indulge in attacking the messenger when called on his inaccuracy, and his attempt to divert attention. I have been civil and I think helpful/informative when replying to any other poster in the thread. Yes/no?
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Varia
Solanar
06-26-06, 08:36 PM
Despite the fact that I've been bored enough to post dictionary defintions and argue semantics in the past, I'm not bored enough to read you doing it. So I can't answer your yes/no question as I hardly skimmed your posts.
Sorry...:smoke
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 08:39 PM
Just a bit of forum dynamic observation but I've always loved it when a newb (sorry you only have 89 posts compared to Nenjins gajillion) calls a long time poster a troll.
More posts = more credibility/accuracy/worth, therefore the low poster is both a newb and, when daring to oppose a heavy poster, a troll? That would be both the "appeal to authority", and "ad-hominem" logical fallacies wouldnt it? And both in one sentence too! Grats! :)
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Varia
Solanar
06-26-06, 08:41 PM
Well, but his name is also in green, and that increases his credibility.
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 08:42 PM
Despite the fact that I've been bored enough to post dictionary defintions and argue semantics in the past, I'm not bored enough to read you doing it. So I can't answer your yes/no question as I hardly skimmed your posts.
Sorry...:smoke
Thats ok, you havent been in this thread so far, so nobody is talking to you anyway! :P
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Varia
Solanar
06-26-06, 08:42 PM
hehehe :kroe
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 08:48 PM
Well, but his name is also in green, and that increases his credibility.
Really? You've never had a bad boss story, or heard anyone who does? Or encountered an employee who was... less than stellar...? I'm amazed. And disbelieving. A green name says nothing about the quality of his facts or arguements. Appeal to authority is not a valid arguement.
I should specifically state that I am in no way attacking Nenjins qualities as a green name, merely the concept that appeal to authority is somehow valid in this kind of debate.
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Varia
Well, but his name is also in green, and that increases his credibility.
The Green has nothing to do with this, other than I probably should have let this die a while ago. That said, enjoy the show...
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 09:05 PM
Nah, the thing is when I read threads I generally just read the contents, and dont often read the posters names. So after noticing and reading your PM just now and getting a moment between playing with Solanar the "started the thread" part in your PM made me go back and check poster names. And, well, **** me, you were indeed being sane and useful before the carpenter post, so I should have been rather more polite and professional in my first response to you there, which would have likely stopped the flamewar derail. The comments regarding the carpenter and bearsfan stand, but you got lumped in there with them on the strength of your last post alone (which resonated badly with what they said) rather than your whole contribution to the thread, for which I apologise. Mea culpa, and all that.
But apart from the fact that I'm fighting the wrong fight/person, I still say I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee! :P
So, enough derail, back to the table saw! :)
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Varia
Llabak Tharr
06-26-06, 09:09 PM
Fek. The only thing I hate worse than moderating a dumbass thread is having to delete my moderation in a dumbass thread because you folks got it sorted out on your own.
Carry on, nothing to see here, folks.
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 09:16 PM
Of course there's something to see- now we're ALL looking at YOU!!! :P
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Varia
Quick, somebody call me a troll! I'm feeling left out here.
Qutsmnie
06-26-06, 09:47 PM
I sliced my fingers on a table saw in the 8th grade. When they say dont pull the board back they are serious! I wish they would have took a sec and said no really we are serious!
I didnt loose anything because i was really lucky. Blade went right between two fingers nicking a little off each side. the sides grew back. If it had gone down center of one though it would have took it off.
It was stunningly fast. It didnt hurt. Didnt even hurt afterwards too. It kind of ached while it was healing. I never went to the doctor my parents were cheap =). It never got infected is why it never really hurt i suppose. Though i had a fairly solid pain tolerance at that age from taking jujitsu.
Quick, somebody call me a troll! I'm feeling left out here.
You'll have to wait for the next power tool innovation, sorry. Maybe the belt sander that is guarenteed not to grind your friend's face off.
AngryBearsFan
06-26-06, 09:53 PM
Good lord. This thread has potential to get locked.
I usually dont click on video links in any message board. I just dont wanna see something disgusting, even if it may be from a reputable site. And seeing as this thread revolves around cutting off figners in table saws, I would rather pass.
Anyways, good luck with your saw.
VariaVespasa
06-26-06, 10:00 PM
There's nothing disgusting in the videos. You see a hotdog get nicked with a 1/16th inch cut. A hotdog! You can probably stand the gore... :)
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Varia
ShadowCross
06-26-06, 10:08 PM
Bah, just read this topic for the first time (finally read it because I was curious what's so interesting about this saw that it gets so many replies) ... and I missed all the fun! :hmph
Do I get to be a troll too, even though I have a blue name? This topic needed a post from someone with a blue name too!
I love how it was called a flamewar. Doesn't that generally imply at least 2 participants?
:rofl
I've never seen someone so defensive of a saw before!
...I love The Safehouse...
DarthEnder
06-26-06, 11:29 PM
More posts = more credibility/accuracy/worth, therefore the low poster is both a newb and, when daring to oppose a heavy poster, a troll? Yes.
*cough* http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/memberlist.php?&order=DESC&sort=posts&pp=30
VariaVespasa
06-27-06, 12:16 AM
Hehe!
Your time here is finished, old man! Go for your keyboard!!! :P
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Varia
Only here could we have a flamewar about lack of faith in table saws.
Truer words could not be spoken.
Speaking of frequent posters, did something happen to freonsmurf? I saw his name at the bottom there and he's not visited since last year.
There's nothing disgusting in the videos. You see a hotdog get nicked with a 1/16th inch cut. A hotdog! You can probably stand the gore... :)
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Varia
Won't somebody think of the vegetarians!
Seriously. I'm so sick of all this meat talk. Please consider my feelings.
Not really a vegetarian.
By the way--I'm #10. WOOH! Made it into the top 10! Yes! Victory dance!
Solanar
06-27-06, 11:41 AM
Well, I'm on the second page, I suppose that's something. It gives me some minor "Safehouse Cred" tm
Rawr. Where'd that e-peen thread go, from when the boards showed your post count under your name?
did something happen to freonsmurf?
No one is really sure. He just kind of poofed without saying anything.
And I swear Aidden is cheating to stay #1.
Solanar
06-27-06, 11:51 AM
Epeen! (http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20348&highlight=e-peen)
Darth moved up since then. He's hardcore. I wish I could babble that much. :thumb
****, Didn't realize I passed DP. Gotta get some work done someday....
(Its boring as hell bein a Software QA guy when there is no software coded for which you can assure quality.)
Well.. I don't know about all the other posts.. but....
I saw this thing this morning.. and I showed it to a co-worker.. and he bought one of these things in like 15 minutes after seeing the website.. I told him I wanna see if it really does the hotdog trick.. hehe
This guy is super impulsive, but he is also really into building speaker cabinets and things.. so we will see if it is really as good as the website says..
Won't believe the videos until they actually show a human finger instead of a hot dog. If they have such faith, then let's see the real thing.
Nimmbull
06-27-06, 01:51 PM
yes, you are too late to say that, doubly late cause I already came in and moderated once - LT
Qutsmnie
06-27-06, 04:53 PM
I have to see independent reviews before I believe anythign about a product.
Lenilya
06-27-06, 06:55 PM
Yeah, sure, it only knicked a hot dog. What about a polish sausage?!?!?!
DarthEnder
06-28-06, 04:31 PM
I just keep picturing the Family Guy episode where he sticks his finger in the pencil sharpener, then puts his peener in it.
Krimzan
06-28-06, 05:08 PM
I haven't heard from Wix in forever. He hasn't been on AIM either. I wonder if I still have his e-mail kicking around.
Sollon Darkmoon
06-29-06, 12:23 AM
What? We can't have a troll post and not have me post in it!
+1
Roxxors!!!!!
ShadowCross
06-29-06, 12:26 AM
"If it's strange/nerdy/furry - well, it's the Anime Forum" - ShadowCross
I feel all warm and fuzzy inside :)
Sollon Darkmoon
06-29-06, 01:00 AM
I feel all warm and fuzzy inside :)
It has been there for months and you just now see it *cry* =/. hehe
Edit: Fixed a type of mine - SX
Cantatus
06-29-06, 01:02 AM
Carpentry just isn't as fun without the possibility of bodily mutilation. :(
ShadowCross
06-29-06, 02:19 AM
I tried finding the topic I made that quote in.. can't find it anymore :(
It was the thread which announced the creation of the anime forum.
DarthEnder
06-29-06, 12:02 PM
It would totally be awsome if some serial killer tried to chop someone up and didn't realize it was one of these and he just couldn't make it work.
Sollon Darkmoon
06-29-06, 12:06 PM
I tried finding the topic I made that quote in.. can't find it anymore :(
http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24245
And then he became incredibly enraged and meated them to death with a hot dog!
"meated them to death"
That really sounds just... wrong.
But appropriate given the context.
Cantatus
06-29-06, 07:16 PM
I'd love to see that on a death certificate: Cause of death: Fatally meated.