Help with PvP

[Tsalikr]

Long time member as an EQ1 rogue. I've been playing WoW for a year or so. I became addicted to PvP with my hunter. Although I like that class I've always missed being a rogue, so I've been playing my little rogue more and my big hunter less.

Recently I've been playing Tsalikr in the lvl29 battlegrounds and doing quite well. However, I just leveled (like an idiot) and now I need some help deciding where to go with my additional talents.

1) What does the most damage in PvP, maces, swords or daggers? I've read that people will give up the backstab/ambush skills to duel-wield swords or maces. Is it worth it to give up those skills in the 30-39 arena? How about later in the game?

2) What essential skills do you need? Currently I have some things that, while they help me with pve and with my dag/backstab build, I wouldn't think they would be necessary for certain builds. I have improved gouge 3, camouflage 5, improved backstab 3 and opportunity 2. Obviously if I get away from the dagger/backstab build, these won't be used. What should I use in it's place if I do change?

3) What type of items will help in pvp? I am a blacksmith, but I have other charaters who are alchemists, tailors and leatherworkers. I also have an enchanter and engineer, but it's hard to use engineering between characters. I've already made a spider belt and green-whelp armor. Are these useful?

Thanks in advance for the help

Tsalikr Darkfyre
Orc Rogue - Stormscale

[Thwick]

Tradeskills: Engineering and Alchemy are prolly your best bets for PVP. Alchemy gives you a ton of potions and engineering will allow you to use items that give you another chance to use a rogue ability (stealth, etc) or something crazy like the net or death ray.

Build: Both daggers or duel wield sword/mace work fine. Depends what you want though, an Ambush/BS build is straight up nasty one shot kill, but then kind of susceptible. Sword/mace doesn't have the burst dps, but has better overall sustained DPS.

Talent Specs: I've always liked the sublety one that gave me a faster stealth speed, that's a really nice thing to have in pvp. Cold Blood is also a nice lifesaver as well, plus with flag in WSG you can sprint, get the boots, cold blood, and sprint again. Nice getaway.

Priest is my main right now, so i'm sure others have much better stuff to say

[Recursion]

first: get to 60
somewhere in there: spec daggers and get some good ones
second: learn to stunlock
third: own everyone

=)

Blista - 60 Shaman - Laughing Skull

[berael]

1) What does the most damage in PvP, maces, swords or daggers?Very broadly speaking, Swords/Maces are often used for "stunlock" builds, whereas Daggers are often used for "burst" builds. However, keep in mind that Daggers do not really come into their own until you have Lethality 5, Improved Backstab 3, and Opportunity 5 - until you have enough talent points to afford those all, it's fairly common for people to just use Sword/Mace because it's easier. ;p Honestly, though, it's personal preference and playstyle. Do you prefer the "jump out, stab 'em hard, and make your getaway" approach (which means you're screwed if they get the jump on you), or the "charge in with weapons a'swingin' and don't leave until they're good and dead" approach (which means you're screwed if you mistime your stuns, or they break 'em)?

2) What essential skills do you need?Improved Gouge 3 is probably the most underrated PVP skill ever. In PVP, after 5 seconds of not fighting, you can restealth - and Imp Gouge 3 gives you a 5.5 second Gouge. This means you can Gouge, de-select 'em, back off a step, and restealth just before the Gouge breaks...without having to burn Vanish. MoD5 and Camo5 are both nice tools (personally, I can't live without Camo5 + Minor Run Speed enchant).

3) What type of items will help in pvp?Broadly speaking, Engineering is "the PVP tradeskill". Mind control, death ray, extra nukes, extra AEs, snares, etc. Every other tradeskill either A) doesn't have many PVP "toys", or B) lets you just purchase whatever items you need from someone else.

[Nazgrub]

However, keep in mind that Daggers do not really come into their own until you have Lethality 5, Improved Backstab 3, and Opportunity 5

While this is true, I'm willing to take it a step further and say that daggers don't really come into their own unless you have Cold Blood at the least and I would say either Preperation or Seal Fate as well. There's just not really a good reason to be daggers without those talents for PvP.

[Greldek]

While this is true, I'm willing to take it a step further and say that daggers don't really come into their own unless you have Cold Blood at the least and I would say either Preperation or Seal Fate as well. There's just not really a good reason to be daggers without those talents for PvP.

Unless of course your just talking about twink lvl daggers.
Cause 600+ ambush crits in the 29 bracket is just insane.

Anyway once I'm done messing around with my rogue int he 29 bracket I'll lvl him to 60, but I'm going to stay daggers. A dagger/subt build is what i've always had in mind as a rogue for all games; and wow is one of the few games, taht lets me do it, and about the only MMOG that lets me do it.