rant about NWN. (now with Spoiler info)

[Jem]

"Oh, I can open that one easy!"
"Oh, I can open that one easy!"
"Oh, I can open that one easy!"
"Oh, I can open that one easy!"
"Oh, I can open that one easy!"
"Oh, I can open that one easy!"
...

No, I didn't play a rogue. Why? Because you don't have control over your henchmen which means you can't control when/what spells get cast. This matters most on buff spells. Instead, I played a sorcerer and took the rogue as my henchman. This way we walk around constantly with:

protection from evil
cat's grace
bull strength
endurance
stone skin

My summoned monster and/or familiar have:
stone skin
protection from evil
and one of them get's cat's grace.

I also have eagle's splendor and premonition instead of stone skin. These spells, coupled with the boots of speed (i used haste before i got these,) let's me melee most of the fodder and get through most small-medium dungeons without even having to rest. Plus there is something belittling about the fact that a sorcerer with nearly 100 hit points can beat people down. Spellcasters? please, I toast them for breakfast.

But, goddammit sometimes i want to strangle that little $(&%ing piece of *#&@ halfling till his larynx collapses in on itself rendering him permanently devoid of the (#$&ING PRIVELEDGE OF EVER SPEAKING ANOTHER $()#*ING WORD!!!!

And another thing, if I run across one more @#%$ quest that isn't completable, I am going to join the dark army and kill every MOTHERFARKING MAN, WOMAN, CHILD, CHICKEN AND COW WITHIN 100 $($*ING MILES OF NEVERWINTER!

Thank you that is all. Edited by: Wraine at: 7/8/02 7:48:51 pm

[EZ_Zulian]

/comfort Wraine
My pixie familiar was worse, because it doesn't say anything, making it extremly hard to open things :P
And what uncompletable quests?
I never ran across any. "Age and wisdom don't always go together, I've found. ... Some people just become stupid with more authority." -- Terry Pratchett

[Jem]

Were you able to find all three druids in Neverwinter Wood? This one isn't uncompleted in my book, i just had no freaking idea where to find the 3rd druid.

Uncompletable quests:

Getting the baby back for the harlot in Luskan. I went and killed the guy cause he didn't have any script that let me barter for the baby. He dropped the baby and I took it back to her, she didn't have any script to complete the quest.

The halfling/gnome's (i can't remember which) ring quest, also in the brothel, which you were to get the ring back from the noblewoman so her husband didn't find out. She didn't have any script about bartering for the ring, so again I had to kill her. And he didn't have any script to give the ring back to him.

There were a couple of others too, but I am at work and these are the only ones I can remember at the moment.

[Glip the Gnome]

Haven't done all the Luskan ones yet so I can't comment there but I did find all three druids.

[Jem]

Heh, where? I found the nymph one and the witch one.


And another thing, I actually did the quest to join the wizards guild (starcloaked whatever, again I can't remember the name) in chapter 1 in Neverwinter. Then I get to chapter 3 and I get the generic script that she will sell me magic items even though I am not a member. WTF?

EDIT: I also can't express how much joy I felt when I get to chapter 3 and I finally have something to spent my 500,000+ gold on. I had most of those magic items crafted and took martial weapon proficiency at 18th level just so I could use them. I kept them all and switch out depending on what I am fighting. Prior to this, I was thinking to myself, "What good is all this gold if there is nothing worth buying?" Edited by: Wraine at: 7/7/02 11:32:14 pm

[EZ_Zulian]

I did all those quests no problem. Weird.
The third druid is in a spider cocoon in one of the caves. "Age and wisdom don't always go together, I've found. ... Some people just become stupid with more authority." -- Terry Pratchett

[EZ_VariaVespasa]

I had no problem doing the gnome quest and baby quest that you mentioned. You can pursuade the woman to return the ring so as to not endanger the gnome, and you can bribe the guy for the baby. Its likely just some wierd bug with your game, which I understand from the boards happens sometimes. The only quest I've found that I couldnt complete (besides the obvious mutually exclusive ones like "do you give the neverwinter artifacts to the good side or the evil side?") was giving the fort seige subchiefs head to the fort boss. This was likely a bug similar to the ones that hit you since I killed an unnamed subchief who dropped nothing before I got the quest. But apart from that I have completed all the quests in chapters 1 and 2, and no problems with the ones in chapter 3 so far.
*Hugs*
Varia

[ShadowCross]

The named sub-chief is on the hill next to the fort. I was able to complete that quest...

I was able to do the Ring quest in Luskan fine too.


What I do hate about NWN is the fact that once you miss one little chest/box/cocoon/whatever somewhere you are so screwed if that one was the one you needed to complete a certain quest... unless you are masochistic enough to re-check ALL boxes/chests/cocoons of that chapter. ShadowCross Bladesong
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[EZ_Rolpho]

How do ya control the special abilities and all that of your henchmen?

hrm

Rolpho

[EZ_TibisHatter]

Very poorly.

I've tried getting Tomi to go into Stealth Mode - but it's greyed out, so I can't. I click on a chest, it's locked, so he goes and disarms a trap somewhere nearby and then rushes off to attack some creature he happens to spot. Despite my best efforts with the right-click wheel menu, I can't get him to stick close to me so I can do my meat-shield role (10 ftr, 2 rog; about quarter of the way through chapter 2).

I loathe only being able to have one henchman. Absolutely no way to get a good balance of abilities in the party, and if you don't have a rogue, you're out of luck. I've had to trigger some chests that Tomi couldn't disarm, and generally came close to killing myself (or killing myself two or three times), and trying to bash the chests tend to result in "Weapon ineffective" messages - I've tried magic blunt as well as my usual +2 Bastard Sword.
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[EZ_Rolpho]

i cant figure out how to get Tomi to disarm a trap on a chest. Its a chest in a building at the docks. Its armed with a fireball trap. He will unlock the chest but not disarm it..how can i direct him to do that?

Rolpho

[EZ_TibisHatter]

He should do it automatically if he is close of it - unless the DC of the trap is higher than his Disarm Device rank + 20 (game always assumes you take 20 on pick locks / disarm device tests).

[Aidden]

One more comment about gameplay or Spoiler info and into the NWN forum for joo....


Nice Rant Wraine...

[EZ_Peebs]

If you want to unlock the hidden labyrinth, try getting the magic candlestick from the princess and using it to light the passageway to the dark queen. You will see that one of the mirrors is actually a door!

[Jem]

Thanks Peebs

Anyway. If you are having problems not getting Tomi to disarm traps behind you, talk to him and do the "readjust our strategy" option. You can tell him to assist you if you are unable to disarm the traps. One good thing about being a mage/sorcerer: If Tomi can't beat the DC, Fireball can.

[EZ_Zulian]

Hahah Wraine, that's the reason I chose Sharwyn over Tomi (Well, um, one of the, er, three reasons, the other two being obvious), even as a druid, I could nuke the stuffing out of anything trapped :P "Age and wisdom don't always go together, I've found. ... Some people just become stupid with more authority." -- Terry Pratchett

[EZ_Matheren]

never needed a rogue yet - that barbarian half-orc seems to do just fine destroying chests with his axe. even if you get the "weapon ineffective" message, keep going until you get a crit, and you'll damage the chest.

nothing like spending literally 4 minutes beating on a "weapon ineffective" chest, only to get 30gp out of it

[EZ_DreebleK]

Heya:

Zulian said: "My pixie familiar was worse, because it doesn't say anything[.]"

Hunh?!

"Didgeridoo babushka!" { I'm going to poke you so hard! }

"Eek!" { Ouch! }

"Meecha follyay bucha!" { Teach you to mess with my master! }

"Eya!" { Nasty monsters! }

Take care,
Dreeble (formerly Brillik Borrowgrave of Test, hehe)

[EZ_Keyno Nokey]

Hey,

Solution with the difficulty. I remember reading they said that the default setting for difficulty was for players who play solo with only a pet/or summoned creature. You'll have to adjust the difficulty slider under option to make the game more challenging with a henchmen.

Keyno

[ShadowCross]

Actually, the game often told me that "default difficulty" expected you to play with a henchmen, otherwise it might be too hard to solve it solo...

[EZ_Syllestrae FV]

Just a helpful hint, but power attack and improved power attack are both good to activate when trying to bust down doors or smash open chests. The things are easy enough to hit even with the attack penalty, and the +5 (or +10) damage will go a long ways towards overcoming the damage resistance. Likewise, a weapon with a hard-hitting crit ratio (like the x3 on axes) will really help when you get that inevitable crit.

- Arianna

PS: I'm a cleric, don't ask why I know so much about door-bashing

[EZ_nekoken]

Dang, no wonder it has been seeming so difficult. I couldn't afford a henchman when I first ran across them so never bothered. I've been playing it pure rogue all the way. This has pretty much consisted of never taking on more than 4 weak enemies at a time. If more join in I pretty much have to run away or I'm dead. Needless to say this means I save after every single skirmish.

Narsse Nekoken

[DarthEnder]

I played the whole game through as a rogue with Daelan Red Tiger as my henchman.

Wasn't *too* bad. But I had to spend ALOT of time resting.

Only one fight was so bad I actually had to keep porting back to the temple of tyr in the middle of the fight to heal and pick up daelan when he died over and over again. And that was the 2 corrupted dragons at once you fight in the source stone.

[EZ_Vaclav Romanov]

I mentioned it in another thread about getting NPC's to unlock chests...

When the pathing starts going a little finicky(which affects the NPC unlocking, etc.) restart the game, seems to help a TON most of the time for me...