Jagged Timeforged Blade , ROG POTIME DAGGER

[EZ_Manlaen]

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Jagged Timeforged Blade
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 19
DMG: 19 Dmg Bonus: 13 AC: 20
Poison DMG: 1
Skill Mod: Backstab +12%
STR: +25 DEX: +25 STA: +20 HP: +190
SV COLD: +25 SV MAGIC: +25
Accuracy: +5
Required level of 65.
Effect: Assassin's Blood (Combat)
WT: 0.7 Size: SMALL
Class: ROG
Race: ALL
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Assassin's Blood

Slot Description
1: Decrease HP when cast by 150
2: Decrease Hate by 150
6: Decrease DEX by 60


lol its pretty good

[EZ_Keroth T]

sick My Gear And check out ~ My Guild

[EZ_Wristie]

Wow. :)
Edited by: Wristie at: 8/3/03 6:20 pm

[EZ_Vishuz]

Wow... add yet another dagger to the long list of daggers I dream about but have little to no chance of getting.

Looks cool too, which of course is a plus...

Edited by: Vishuz at: 8/3/03 7:06 pm

[EZ_Zaphe]

And sony/verant said tehy would never allow a dagger to have more than 15 dmg and be rogue useable ...

/laugh

[EZ_Hyarth]

Kendrick said that. And Kenddrick no longer works at SoE. Nit.

[EZ_Qutsemnie]

i dunno.

-150 hate.

150 damage is 150 hate.

-60 dex is....


gratz on an agro proc.

[EZ_Aerimus Shadowborn]

I'd be willing to bet that weapons of the calibre that drop in Time weren't on the drawing board either back then.

Backstab damage is what has given rogues their edge damage wise over other duel wielding melees so it stands to reason that backstab damage must increase as weapon ratios get better or that edge will disapear entirely.

It would seem to me that if you compare the kunark era standards to pot class weapons that ratios still have improved quite a bit more than base bs. Whether this is so in reality and whether this is balanced I couldn't say.

[EZ_Shanar]

I thought Brad said it. Personally I think it was the right stance, the game as a whole is nothing more than a @#%$ montey haul campaign anymore.

[EZ_Skewert]

Holy bajeezus, I'd be lying if I didn't say I was extremely impressed.

The next closest dagger is only 17 physical dmg right? (not counting bane) And a killer proc too, IMO.

Just have to evade more I suppose, and/or have another aggro reducing proc in offhand as well.

Negative 200 resist adjust on the proc as well, and poison based, very unlikely to be resisted. Edited by: Skewert at: 8/3/03 9:41 pm

[ShadowCross]

All I can say: That's a weapon worth working for to get into Time I know I want one!

Grats to TR and the happy rogue that is wielding the first one

[EZ_Vumyan Onion]

Bigger picture of the dagger.

[EZ_Niin]

Quote:i dunno.

-150 hate.

150 damage is 150 hate.

-60 dex is....


gratz on an agro proc.

Huh?

150 damage == 150 hate (your claim)
Proc reduces 150 hate.

So proc generates zero net aggro.

What is your point again? Failing to see how this is an 'aggro proc'.

[DarthEnder]

Because assuming he's right(he's not though) and the agro reducer and the damage cancel each other out, then the -60 dex portion would be generating agro above and beyond that, which, if Cripple is any indication, is alot of agro.

[EZ_Zetrius Wolf]

Quote:Huh?

150 damage == 150 hate (your claim)
Proc reduces 150 hate.

So proc generates zero net aggro.

What is your point again? Failing to see how this is an 'aggro proc'.

150 damage and 150 hate reduction balance each other out. What you failed to take into account, which the original poster pointed out, was that there still remains a -60 dex debuff. Ergo, the proc generates aggro.

[EZ_Derrict]

150dd doesn't generate exactly 150 hate, it's more complicated than that. DD procs add very little aggro, the 60 dex debuff, imo, is where the aggro is going to come from. If I proc rage of incapacitation several times and am already dishing out too much damage, the mob will turn to me despite the 150 hate reduction on the proc.

50 total resists on the poker.. weak.

[EZ_Qutsemnie]

in fairness i doubt -60 dex generates cripple like agro. in my experience -ac procs really piss a mob off. given theres a -ac in cripple thats prolly alot of the agro from cripple.

[EZ_Kalledar]

Cripple lowers str, agi, AC and dex. This proc is not Cripple, no sir.

[EZ_SvaraDW]

well the dagger is kinda cool but whats cracks me up about it is that it has no Agi.

I mean i came into PoTime with 305 unbuffed in all melee stats and now after i got some Time loot i dropped to 250 agi but my str and sta and dex are getting much higher OVER the cap every time. I really dont know what the loot designers are dreaming when they put str sta int wis on nearly every item i mean if u are in Time u have maxed out these stats already with more (sometimes much much more) than 100 points over the cap and u get even more every item u get while other stats getting lower.

[EZ_Northerner]

I think the name is a little boring

The dagger itself is, of course, exceptionally powerful though. Ok, really exceptionally so.

[ShadowCross]

Yeah Svara, I did a "fun" profile for PoTime loot and came out with a theoratical values

STR 391
STA 517
AGI 316
DEX 385
WIS 344
INT 362

Agi is totally neglected

Stamina once was the hardest stat to raise, since PoP it's the most easy one to raise it seems.

[EZ_Urdegish]

I believe the aggro generated from Cripple is the -Agi and -AC compenent, not the -dex component (Mobs dont get too pissed off when their chances of fletching are slightly decreased!)

This is why Frostbringer, etc, generate good aggro.

This is coming from a shaman who knows the true aggro of Cripple

I swear I didnt cast cripple 24 times on the AoW! Honest!

[EZ_Pihnky Andabrane]

What would be the max Backstab (both with discipline and without) with this weapon? does anyone know the formula to figure it out?

Grats BTW on a killer weapon! coming from a PvP server where rogues are all but ignored (tendonslice (or lure snare) being their one bone) I'm glad to see such a kickass weapon for you guys.

[EZ_Brodda Thep]

Don't even dare complain about this weapon.

Quote:50 total resists on the poker.. weak.
THis is pretty much the only thing that is inline with other class weapons in time.

[EZ_Nisares]

Look at all the PoTime class specific items, they all have from 50-60 total with resists except the 2hb and caster items that arent weapons but different slot items.

If you care so much about not having the resists YOU wanted, quit now since this is by far the best dagger for a rogue of all time along with having a unique pimp look. the dmg/dly is what matters, not the fact it has +25 to two resists instead of like +15 to all like you'd hope for.

[EZ_Zahrdahl]

Quote:What would be the max Backstab (both with discipline and without) with this weapon? does anyone know the formula to figure it out?

827 non crit I think it was, or 824... and 2820 max crit with duelist. Same numbers as for Dagger of Distraction max.

[EZ_EQFattius]

what would normal pierces be like with this dagger?

[EZ_Axterix EnObelix]

Quote:150dd doesn't generate exactly 150 hate, it's more complicated than that. DD procs add very little aggro, the 60 dex debuff, imo, is where the aggro is going to come from. If I proc rage of incapacitation several times and am already dishing out too much damage, the mob will turn to me despite the 150 hate reduction on the proc.

Rage of Incapacitation has poison counters. That's where it's aggro comes from, similiar to why tash is a lot more aggro than malo. Cripples aggro comes from the ac debuff, not the dex or agil. Stat debuffs have very little aggro.

Looks like a nice poker. Grats rogues.

[EZ_Qutsemnie]

hmm one thing that wasnt in the original note bout the proc was the -200 resist adjust.

so we got
-150 hate
with hate from
-200 resist 150 DD -60 dex.

pretty nice btw against rampagers but i wonder if the rogues getting it really wanted a -60 dex when -200 resist DDs are usually +agro anyway.

alas though im not ever going to get one. just noting some things.

[EZ_Baedin]

max pierce is 132 (non crit/duelist)
and high str/sta = you still keep high hp and atk on TT! /duck

[EZ_Skewert]

"when -200 resist DDs are usually +agro anyway"

I was only under the impression that the resist adjust on a spell only factored into whether an NPC/PC resisted the spell, not having anything to do with +hate?

IE, Mob X has 100 Poison resist against spells without a resist adjust, but this spell checks against said mob as if it had -100 PR.

Necro's lifetaps are pretty much all -200 Magic resist adjust, why they are so rarely resisted, but they're usually low aggro compared to other nukes.

[EZ_Gynn]

Well one on ZEB dropped (grats drexella!) so hopefully they not to rare.

[EZ_Rainus7]

Where's the agi and cha !~

I need more resists damn it too !~


/ducks

hahahah

[ShadowCross]

Neg Resist on the proc might give the impression of more aggro because you get less resists and thus you deal more damage to the mob which creates more aggro.

(that is unless a resisted proc deals the same amount of aggro as a non-resisted would)

[EZ_Izzuri]

From my experience you get the same amount of aggro if the proc is resisted. You might get more as the lower aggro part is resisted aswell.

Haven't looked further into it than a gutfeeling when using Tendonslicer though, so can't say for sure.

[EZ_Sendaught]

The resist adjust has no effect on agro at all. Procs are the same agro whether they are resisted or not. If anything, it means less agro because the proc is resisted less (hence the 150 hate reducing part lands more and reduces agro). All around a badass dagger, anyone that complains about this dagger should be shot.

[EZ_Dwala Communisthamster]

Does the effect seeming to have agro matter at all? I mean the tanks will have huge +agro items, so there is a little chance of pulling agro from just a proc. It looks sick though! But does it have a partical effect? that would be interesting



Dwala Communisthamster
55 Rogue
<Adjudicators of Wrath>
Cazic Thule Server

[EZ_DentonEq]

In regards to who ever compiled the stats on all the items in PoTime, id much much rather see one of resists, i think it would be interesting.

[EZ_Alanayaeq]

your wrong on agro, i have been using a tendon slicer for a while, snare=400 agro, 150 reduction on TS, I rarely pulled agro while mainhanding it. Evade is your Friend Guys. Edited by: Alanayaeq at: 8/5/03 8:54 pm

[EZ_Alanayaeq]

Bah the woman is on auto login, WTH she's a cleric, This is Marauder Gregion Denoche <Triadica> SolRo server. Edited by: Alanayaeq at: 8/5/03 8:55 pm

[Biggwin]

So who dropped it, whos loot table was it hiding in?

[EZ_Zahrdahl]

Innoruuk.

[EZ_Moltenfists]

i want better graphics than the shani of the ancients AKA the mini REBB

[EZ_Orolmy]

Now: 20/19

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 19
DMG: 20 Dmg Bonus: 13 AC: 20
Skill Mod: Backstab +12%
STR: +25 DEX: +25 STA: +20 HP: +190
SV COLD: +25 SV MAGIC: +25
Accuracy: +5
Required level of 65.
Effect: Assassin's Blood (Combat)
WT: 0.7 Size: SMALL
Class: ROG
Race: ALL

[EZ_BlittzofXev]

they also changed the ifir for no fire damage. just 18/19

[EZ_jamdread]

dagger of distraction is now 18/20 +3cold. .so it "could" be better than Jagged weapon under certain circumstances .. odd

[EZ_Sinola AB]

elemental dmg is retarded though.

20 base dmg with no elemental variation is still better than 18 base with +3 possible.

The max stab for dod before with no disc/crit was 827 so this will be the same. Max with dod now is 868 if all cold dmg lands (without crit/disc) of course.

Sinola

Mortalis Edited by: Sinola AB at: 8/7/03 8:13 am

[EZ_xanderman038]

Just wanna say like most everyone else here how SICK this dagger looks! And like everyone else THANK YOU for showing the picture since most of us (myself included) will only be able to see it here. The stats on this thing are great. just wish the +25 to DEX wouldve been AGI for more dodging, but the DEX works too since it means more procs. of course by the time anyone gets it they've already maxxed thier stats so it doesnt make that big of a difference

[EZ_Bigmeeno]

In mostly Velious/Ssra gear, with a couple pieces of PoP Ornate tossed in, I max out at 305 STR, DEX and AGI raid buffed. Stats on stuff in the elemental planes are mostly useless, since you maxed them out long ago. I guess it helps if you are buffless, but who fights buffless?

[EZ_Naathan Kaine]

This thing procs like a monsters and usually doesnt pull aggro. I like using this weapon. Too bad i dont have it on a live server but using it for last couple of days has been a blast.

[EZ_Hobben]

Sucks that you cant crit with the proc tho.

[EZ_Fitz]

Ingenuity is currently worthless for the end game weapon choices I see for rogues. Does nothing for DoD or Inny Dagger, does nothing for Quarm Hammer, and nothing for rathe sword. That would definitely be a wish list thing for me. Let DoD and Inny dagger procs crit. A nice crit proc on DoD would put it in line with Khala deaggro.

[EZ_araxas xev]

What is max bs with 20 dmg weapon, 880-ish?

[EZ_Zenatul]

827

[EZ_Heka01]

Yup 827 is my non crit/disc max too, I agree it's a pain not being able to crit the proc after spending points on Ingenuity.
Not that Ingenuity was hugely useful when I was swinging Ifir/GRMK combo.

[EZ_asslinghalfassin]

ingenuity stil works on other DD procs added Via LDON....

[EZ_Dubbo]

... which wasn't released until a week after the last post in this 2+ month old thread ya just bumped. =p

[EZ_mixlplik]

Quote:Ingenuity is currently worthless for the end game weapon choices I see for rogues. Does nothing for DoD or Inny Dagger, does nothing for Quarm Hammer, and nothing for rathe sword. That would definitely be a wish list thing for me. Let DoD and Inny dagger procs crit. A nice crit proc on DoD would put it in line with Khala deaggro.

I beg to differ about ingenuity being worthless. I have 5 procs going off all the time . I get crit blasts quite often also .. its not a big major DPS adder, but its nice to have to add some extra DPS in here and there.

[EZ_Katsuo Muramasa]

You obviously dont have the JTB. Once you have a JTB and slap on the Dmg aug. Ingenuity does what??? nothing, nothing at all. You have a dagger that is uneffected by ingenuity. Lets go even further and say u get Quarms hammer and you put on ur favorite aug proc to it. WOW, ingenuity only helps you on the aug proc u put on the Quarm hammer.

Do you understand what he was trying to say now?

[EZ_Gynn]

What Dmg Aug you talking about? I have JTB and DoD offhand and I use Ruj Venom for JTB and Flaming Blade for DoD. I also use the poison off stanos pants so I have 4 dmg procs and 3 of them can crit. I was unaware of any base dmg adders Type 8, Unless there is a Hard Raid one that I don't know about?

[EZ_Sinola AB]

Think I recall seeing a +2 dmg add that was rogue useable for slot 8 weapons that dropped in a Time difficulty ldon raid.

Was in the serverwide rogue channel at least about 2 weeks ago.

[EZ_Assling Hero]

Weighted Stone of Prowess