Venril Sathir SLAIN on Fennin Ro

[EZ_Dalane Swiftblade]

Last night Venril Sathir was slain on the Fennin Ro server. The Mystical Order, arguably the creme de la creme of Fennin, attempted him after a Hate raid yesterday. We went in in force and truely laid the smack down. We punished Venril with little casualties... only 2 deaths and I believe that was in the train of undeads that came after chaos in the castle started when Venril was brought down.

He was kind enough to leave leggings for Edarion (Paladin) and Bladefury (Shaman). Ms Dalane Swiftblade
Mistress of Assassinations
49th Roguess
{The Mystical Order} - Fennin Ro

[EZ_patofnaud]

Well fought!!! Patofnaud
19th Season Scout
White Star Legion
Morell-Thule

[EZ_Halen]

Nice one - one question...

He had 2 pairs of leggings on him? What a freak!

Although he liked the jumpsuit,
Halen couldn't help but feel that
the other members of the band
were laughing at his hat

Halen Sleet,
limp wristed time waster
Bristlebane

[EZ_Aenorn]

And when someone in a purple jumpsuit calls you a freak, you know it's bad!

/poke Halen Aenorn Entreri, Imperium Knight
Level 49 Scoundrel
Bristlebane Server

[EZ_Teefr]

"The Mystical Order, arguably the creme de la creme of Fennin"


most arguably the creme de la creme of kill stealing, camp hogging, power leveling, twink filled guilds on the server I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with.


other than that.....

Grats on killing Venril...




*some sarcasm intended, not much though*
Teefr D'Veldlarn
42nd Blade of Hate
The Night Wolves of Fennin Ro
Teefr's Page still Under Construction.

[EZ_Dalia Shimmersoul]

He has 2 pair of pants and still isnt wearing any... dirty old man.

And grats on the kill... he sounds like a pain

Dalia Shimmersoul
goof mage

Dezig Dezag
typical drunken dwarf

[EZ_Solpel]

bah, Teefr.. it's responses like that, that irk me, unfounded, most of the time false(large guilds can't be perfect ) and 9 times out of 10 the hatred from that person to said guild comes from second hand information.. "A friend of a friend said that this person who was a friend of this person in this well known guild did this horrible thing"
now I'll admit there's a lot of powerleveling and twink's in TMO(me not included, I avoid both with a passion ), but then most of these people have been around EQ.. and fennin for a long time.. people get bored, so they twink.. they can't all be cool like us rogues nor is everyone an RPer ;p
as for camp hogging, not often, hell TMO back's out of places quite often for other groups/guilds, now mind you not always.. we as a guild have just as much right to be in places as others.. most TMO aren't farmers(sadly we have some ) Take the planes for example.. since I joined TMO, not once have we farmed a plane... we go in we break it, we smash it and wipe everything else.. then move on to something else.. we don't sit in there and then farm the respawns with like one group after that(unlike some other guilds that I won't mention). nor do you see a small group of TMO people doing the planes.. hell think smallest I ever saw was like 20 people, if it's smaller it was to prove a point, thats about it. most times it's around 40 plus people, cause planes raids are fun and lots want to do em(like the old dragon raids, pre-limit)
as for kill stealing, doesn't happen often.
Why am I saying all this, and why would you care.. well because when people throw comments.. even if not totally serious like you did Teefr it really pisses me off, I've met many an ignorant ass on Fennin who hate's my guild and once I've talked to them, 9 times out of 10 it's for no reason other then, because of some BS they heard somewheres, most isn't from personal experience.
Biggest complaint I have with all this kind of BS(which seems to spread around on Fennin a lot, not just about our guild) is if you have a problem, talk to an officer in the guild about it, try to be at least civil when talking to them though, or heck if it's a rogue talk to me if ya want and I'll talk to the officers. Most people that group with TMO people at all or much never have a problem, well not often.. can't please everyone.
why you'd have a problem I don't know Teefr.. the hardcore, 90% of TMO that are on all the time are well above the level range you'd be around, most being 55+ so don't know why you'd have had many problems let alone encounters with them.. maybe it was a twink, in which case definatly tell an officer about the problem.. a problem I've encountered(in TMO and outside) is some people will say a character is they're twink just to get it into a guild real quick, no questions asked, when really it isn't a twink, but rather some RL friend or other such BS, from personal experience, what I've seen myself or from watching my roomate play is sometimes these people are the cause of a lot of the problems.. one, they don't do anything within the guild, most never even talk (probably have guildchat turned off) on guildchat and for the most part, most real guildies don't even know they exist unless on some chance they happen to see them in a zone(usually when I question who the heck they are). another reason I don't like "Twink's" a lot of times.. but I'll stop here, i'm not turning this into a twink bashing post
Solpel Cor'Avende
Rake of the 51st Season
Warden of Fennin Ro
The Mystical Order

[EZ_jingles]

Well, I'm glad I wasn't the first to say it. But now that its out I'll comment.

First off, with a comment like that you're asking for it, plain and simple; whether or not you deserved it is another story.


Another Story:

I've had some very good experiences with TMO, I've also had some very bad ones. Not second hand, not something I've heard, I've been stepped on by TMO in the past. Now, I've got some good friends in TMO, some really solid people. But I've also been privy to other members bickering like 3rd graders.

As you said, its a large guild, its hard to keep tabs on everybody and everyone. One rotten apple spoils the barrel, thats how guilds get bad reputations. May not be entirely justified, but thats how it happens; many suffer for the actions and words of a few. Indignation is totally understandable, but a phrase like "creme de la creme" very tempting flame bait, not to mention high handed, condescending, and insulting. Hyarth
Dwarven rogue of the 53rd season
Fennin Ro Edited by jingles at: 7/28/00 1:56:33 am

[EZ_Dlgoth Riknueth]

The Mystical Order, arguably the creme de la creme of Fennin

I was gonna refrain, but have to throw my two cents in...Personally I really don't like people that "toot their own horn" like this..It's been quite some time since I've talked/grouped with Dalane, seeing as I'm on Druzzil now, but this comment doesn't sound like something that would come from the Dalane I remember. *shrug*. All I can say is that nobody has the right to say something like this about themself/their guild. You don't decide if you are the best, the rest of the server does...


Dlgoth Riknueth
53 Rake/GM of L`Malla
Dalmia Dashiznit
45 Wizard/Officer of L`Malla
Dalmina Dabizness
33 Warrior of L`Malla
Torri
21 Druid/Officer of L`Malla

[EZ_Caliban Lanarel]

I've known Dalane for a long time now, first met her when she was under level 10 and she sent me a tell asking rogue questions. =) I say hi or whatever when I run into her, but that's about it. But I was surprised by that comment, too. When you say something like that you really are opening yourself up to take a shot. And like Hyarth, I thought that was an incredibly insulting statement. I know of many fine guilds on Fennin Ro that have excellent members that I would never hesitate to group with. I also know of other guilds with worse reps than TMO. I don't need to name names, because all the Fennin people know who they are.

As for TMO itself, and like everyone else I wasn't gonna say it first, I've heard plenty of horror stories about them. But, I will say I've grouped and met with some TMO that were fine people and some that were jerks. One of the problems is that the stories that will go around will be the ones about how GuildMemberX trained a group out of a zone, not the stories that Solpel is a great guy to group with.

The creme de la creme statement bothered me because I don't base the quality of a guild on how fast they can clear a plane or if they can slay both Vox and Nagafen in one night. That really doesn't concern me in the slightest. To me, the measure of a guild is how the general members behave. I'm in a smaller guild, about 30 people, but I know each of them and know they're good people that don't do dishonorable things. I know that from experience. To me, that makes a good guild, and in my opinion the creme de la creme of Fennin would be people like this, not people that can set a new speed record in Hate.

Caliban La`narel
Level 48 (49 if I could just quit dying) rogue of Fennin Ro

[EZ_Darlantan]

Just wanted to add that I was rather unimpressed by the creme de la creme comment too.

I also wanted to say that I have never personally had a bad experience with TMO. I consider Solpel and Dalane friends. I just didn't really care for the way that comment came across. Darlantan Daggerstorm
Level 52 finally Rogue
Fennin Ro Valorous Union
How horrible is it to lose a Woven Shadow Breastplate to someone's secondary logged in Hate? I can tell you :(

[EZ_Dieguy]

How many people and what levels did you need to take him down? Did you just rush in to his chamber and attack?

Just curious cause I was going to plan a guild raid next month on VS and im looking for any tactics or tips ya could give me.

[EZ_Solpel]

Aye, I'll be the first to admit that the Creme de la creme comment wasn't needed, I love my guild, and all but I wouldn't be the one admitting we are the creme de la creme of guilds. We are good, do in part to some great leadership.. but a lot of it also comes from having the numbers.. and as I've said, being a big guild, we do have bad apples..
Just so you all know, TMO doesn't like those bad apples, and we do try to get rid of them, especially those twink(not twink) varieties.
As always if you ever have a problem, talk to the guild officers, even if the person is one of the officers
if you want to know what officers are on, ask any member they can tell ya
now this last statement should go for any guild, I just hate when people jump to conclusions and don't bother even talking to the people in charge of the guild

On a lighter note, I heard that FoH killed Venril that day as well right around the time we did it
heard they got some sort of Wizards staff from him Edited by Solpel at: 7/28/00 11:14:09 am

[EZ_Rohaise]

They used the same method that was posted here eariler.

Melee's with riposte, two at a time.

Wizards casting the Lure line of spells.

[EZ_Dalane Swiftblade]

Everyone but Teefr who replied to this post (only refering to the Fennin Ro peeps) I consider my friends. I will always consider my friends. Whether you take offense or are appauled by my "creme de la creme" comment it your choice as everyone will have a subjective opinion on things.

Was it condensending? Perhaps. Was it meant to be condensending? No... it was meant to explain to the majority of rogues who would read the post that TMO is "arguably" (meaning open to interpretation) the elite of Fennin Ro. Kinda like background information. The power of TMO is well known, and respected server wide. We usually have the leadership and the forces to be able to take down whatever gets in our path.

You all know me... and you all know that I'm a good person. Do I have guild pride? Yes. Is my guild powerful? Yes. Is TMO one of the most powerful on the server? Yes. Does that not make us "Creme de la creme"? Again open to interpretation but I'd say most people would say that we are.

Teefr, Solpel is correct... you can't have enough experience with TMO to judge or say anything about us as I'm one of the lowest level mains and I wouldn't be hunting in the same zone as you. Most of our peeps are lvl 53+ so you can't have played with any large number of of player base.

Basically the point of my post was to inform and celebrate our victory over Venril Sathir. I wanted to spread the word, and rejoice with the rogue community. I did not wish to offend anyone, especially my friends.

I guess I'm just as appauled that not one of my "friends" congratulated my guild and I on a job well down and accomplishing such a feat... and instead focus on a comment which I still feel fits the post and provides useful background info to others reading this post Ms Dalane Swiftblade
Mistress of Assassinations
49th Roguess
{The Mystical Order} - Fennin Ro
Edited by Dalane Swiftblade at: 7/28/00 12:22:04 pm

[EZ_jingles]

Don't be appauled, we were insulted by the time we got to the reply button. =p
But congratulations.

I don't want to argue the TMO's virtues or vices anymore, its simply not much fun. (Arguing other things I consider fun.) But also don't forget that different people have differen't goals. I'm the officer of a role playing guild (Grudge Bearers), and while we can't put together a plane raid (yet, we're getting there) I (and other leaders and members) go through great pains keep our reputation pristine (I'm not saying we don't get complaints, we do on occasion.) We have younger members who are occasionally suprised to see just what the tag over their head means when they get a ressurection or help from a stranger for no charge and sometimes unasked simply because they wear that tag. And for anybody whos tried to manage a guild that hit a sudden burst of growth, they know keeping a clean name can be just as trying as leading a plane raid (yes, I've dont that too. =) ) Hyarth
Dwarven rogue of the 53rd season
Fennin Ro

[EZ_Caliban Lanarel]

The problem with being last is that other people have already said what you wanted to say, but you still have to comment.

Regardless of how the comment was supposed to be taken and how it was actually taken, you pulled off an impressive feat, so congratulations. Like Hyarth said, by the time we were responding, we'd shoved the point of the post out of our mind. Sorry about that.

Oh, and Hyarth, you've made quite the impression on my guildmates, it would seem. During my first trip to Hate a few weeks ago, Lotos (I think it was) told me that if I had any planar questions, to ask you because you were the best rogue he'd ever seen in Hate. Just thought I'd pass that on to you.

[EZ_Solpel]

hehe, thats just cause Hyarth lives up there

[EZ_Darlantan]

No background is needed Dal. All you have to say is that you killed Venril. People will realize what an accomplishment that is, and applaud you for your accomplishments. By you telling everyone how you are arguably the best of the best, that sets things into a poor light, and as you saw, people lose sight of the object of the post, to come here and share your great accomplishments with your friends and colleagues. Edit:Wow, that's a long ass sentence hehe

I think the reason your choice of words offended me for sure, others possibly, is that you somehow slighted any rogue not in TMO, in fact, any player not in TMO. Darlantan Daggerstorm
Level 52 finally Rogue
Fennin Ro Valorous Union
How horrible is it to lose a Woven Shadow Breastplate to someone's secondary logged in Hate? I can tell you :(Edited by Darlantan at: 7/28/00 2:33:55 pm

[EZ_Caliban Lanarel]

One thing I forgot to mention. It was said earlier that Teefr couldn't have had any problems with members due to his level (or something to that effect if not exact words). That's not true at all. I'm not sure when he started playing, but I started Caliban on the first day of release and he's been basically my only character the whole time, yet I'm still "only" level 48. I just level slowly due to many reasons. I'm not saying that's the case with Teefr, but it is possible. So don't look at someone's level and assume that they've never had any interaction with people that are now higher level. Just because I'm not hunting in the same place as the level 58s doesn't mean I never did. Just needed to stick up for us slow levelers, which is a group that Teefr may or may not be a part of. ;)

[EZ_Solpel]

if that's the case then you hold a grudge to long to be healthy, it's just a game afterall

[EZ_Zleski]

"creme de la creme" eh?

hmm...


TMO...

...no.

[EZ_Caliban Lanarel]

You're darn right I hold a grudge, Solpel. I remember being level 3 and getting slaughtered by that griffon in West Commons. So I waited and was patient. And finally, many, many months later I snuck up behind him and got my revenge!

Anyway, I was just saying it was possible he'd had contact with them way back when and possibly bad experiences to shape his view. First impressions are the ones that last, after all.

If you're implying that I hold grudges too long, you're dead wrong except for that griffon story, which is true.

[EZ_Enkara]

Good grief people. The original poster clearly was just showing some guild pride as they relayed the fact that they had bested Venril Sathir on their server and everyone freaks.

Appauled by the creme de la creme statement? Do you know how strong a reaction appauled is? I would be appauled if I found my husband shanking another woman in our bed. Appauled by "creme de la creme"?

Get a skin.

What a bunch of politically correct wimps.

I can't believe everyone lost sight of the main point of the post over a little pride. Do Safehouse members just read through these posts looking for something to get pissy about?

Congratulations to TMO on a victory that is not as easy as it sounds with the known strategy or not. Well done.

Enkara Frostrose
Level 56 Tarrew Marr Blackguard

PS: CoS on Tarrew Marr dropped Maestro with 18 people and ZERO fatalities. WE ROCK!

PPS: Uh Oh! I said we rock, better verbally crucify my post for such blatant arrogance. oh noooooooo!

[EZ_Solpel]

creeps up behind Enkara, every muscle in his body tensing as he gets ready to strike.

[EZ_Woodash]

oh c'mon now people, not like he was 'tooting his own horn' that loudly, just a proud rogue on their accomplishment of taking down the big VS!

Whoo! congrats!


Woodash Wildfoot
53rd Rake
Mythic Legion
'creme de la creme' guild of Druzzil Ro

J/K!!

[EZ_Nyteshayde1]

didnt TMO kill venril sathir for the 2nd time yesterday? I saw it on TMO website and he dropped the druid leggings and the shaman legs.

Anyway, gratz on killing venril twice TMO

Nyteshayde Poizonblayde
lvl 40 wood elf rogue, Fennin Ro

[EZ_Gilthana]

I don't know any guilds out there that are "the best" all have thier Strengths and all have thier weaknesses
I hear things about TMO alot whether true or not doesn't matter the People that are in TMO that I WILL group with ARE the Cream of the crop. that goes for EVERY guild. the Guild Does not make you Who you are and Dalane :-) she is considered Cream. As my Brother Mujuro and Dharla Both Extremely well played and good people I am not going to start nameing names Hyarth my good Grudge bearer friend all that have played with yeah know your guild is Very Elite. I don't know rogue on here that isn't Cream that posted on here.

one last comment she made a comment that is all it was nothing personal to anyone :-)

Just my 2 plat --hey level 55 I can afford to toss a lil extra. <EG>

Gilthana Quickblade
Sterling Order of Knights
Season 55 Rogue

[EZ_Vexx]

I would consider Dalane to be one of the better people I have played with on Fennin. I have had problems with TMO in the past. Although Vexx is 48, he was created on day one (playing a Cleric on Tunare can cut into your rogue time!), and yes I have had a chance to interact with many of the TMO. Some of them are great, some of them I stay away from. The poblem with big guilds is you tend to all get painted with the same brush. Look at the garbage that is going on with Shining Force on Fennin Ro. Some of them are reasonable people as well. Because of the actions on others with the same tag, they are now considered just as much of a blight.

A while ago I understood the importance of looking past the guild tags.

TMO's defeat of Karnor's boss was very impressive. Lets be happy for Dalane and her crew.

Vexx - Fennin Ro
"All Hail The Great Trickster!"

[EZ_Solpel]

Solpel sneak's up behind Gilthana and gives him a swift kick in the arse

where you been hidin bro, haven't seen you on in ages
and I'm sure as most know on Fennin by know, Dalane is no longer TMO anymore.. and actually is quiting EQ now as well it seems
Goodluck in whatever you do Dalane

[EZ_Darlantan]

Dal's quitting?


/hug
/bye

Good luck Dal. I'll miss ya. Darlantan Daggerstorm
Level 52 finally Rogue
Fennin Ro Valorous Union
How horrible is it to lose a Woven Shadow Breastplate to someone's secondary logged in Hate? I can tell you :(

[EZ_Cervantus]

ah venril sathir.. good times good times

[EZ_Prodigious]

rofl omg I was looking at the date and barely realized this was over a year old....wow lol go TMO :P Prodigious
60 Assassin
Fennin Ro

[EZ_Grabbit Allworth]

VS has sadly fallen to the way of a high level pick up group.


Personally took him down with a 6 man group.

2X 60 rogues
1 60 Warrior
2X Chanter, 57 and 59
1 Cleric I think he was 58

Had mage staff, wiz staff and ES legs =/. Can it get any worse hehe.

Warrior tanks for 15-20 seconds alone building a hate base while the chanters stagger runes, cleric drops an occasional heal (mainly for buffing) if done correctly the cleric won't need to heal anyone.

Rogues engage and /duelist. Goes down quick. It can get ugly quick if you don't pay attention, but shouldn't be a problem for any guild who has any experience dealing with him.

Grabbit Allworth
60 Assassin
Druzzil Ro
"The more we sweat in training, the less we bleed in war."

[EZ_Arafain]

Now THAT was a trip - Hyarth in old skool gear at level 53 saying 'TMO aint all that'.

*shakes his head and chuckles* -- Arafain Entreri, 59 Blackguard
-- Arafein Soulstriker, 53 Champion...err, 52, die Vox!
-- Requiem of Souls
-- Formerly of The Rathe Server, now of Zebuxoruk
"One of the cooler things about Ara... he uses a sledge hammer to drive thumbtacks into PlayDough. Not only does it get the job done, but it's fun to watch!" -- Steele Stouthammer[i]

[ShadowCross]

Bumping up old news topics isn't funny.

Locked.