NO MORE IFRAMES!!!!

[EZ_Gyorg]

No more iframes in ezboard (6.3?)! Happy! Gyorg Lavode
Eden's Rising,
Rogue Badass of the 56th Moon over Xegony
The original Phin-o-matic

[Koru]

I was so annoyed when I saw the new release popup come up. Then I became so happy when I read about iframes. Yes, me quite happy now.
/target iframes
/bye
/kick
/smile

[Nymm]

EZBoards had iframes?

I never noticed.

/hug netscape

Bite me netscape haters! - Nymm
Prexus, Blackguard, 1 ea.

[Aidden]

Iframes are a very cool feature for web authors...

They suck when used as graphical sigs though..

[EZ_Pherret]

Netscape is the devil. Ask any Web programmer (like me)... netscape is the bane of our existence.

Also note: Netscape development has ceased. There will be no more new versions of Netscape... only cosmetic changes. It is slow as f**k, is a pain in the arse plain and simple. Statistically, you are in the very few minority as less than 5% of all users still use Netscape.

I love iframes... ezboard is stupid for getting rid of it. Pherret ** [ 44 Redeemed Rogue | Cazic-Thule | Fueled by Fuzzy Power® ]

[EZ_Daklin]

Ezboard is good for getting rid of it. But I still love iframes.

[EZ_Jasi of Neriak]

I actually have preferrred Netscape over Explorer since the early days. Unfortunately, it's gotten more and more buggy. I really dislike using Explorer, but it's the only choice I've got. :P


Edit: Please check our sig rules. - ShadowCross Edited by: Shadowcross at: 8/29/01 2:16:15 am

[EZ_Daklin]

I've heard Opera is good, but nothing can beat Explorer that I've ever seen.

[Brelkor]

Well as a web programmer you should be full aware that mozilla (which netscape was a rip of) is still well under full developement and a very great browser. Brelkor the Blackhammer The Masta Back Stabba, retired rogue
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[Fricka]

I used to consider myself a die hard Netscape fan...but I've succumbed to the Dark Side and use IE now. Fricka of the Vallon Zek Shanks, EverQuest
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[EZ_Stytch Yapgud]

For the computer illeterate among us would one of you who is good at explaining in dummy speak explain what I-Frames is.

Not for me of course I fully understand but I worry about the computer illeterate out there who dont understand these conversations. *cough*

[Kroe]

from what I understand Iframes was what was allowing those freaks to post entire messageboards inside of a sig. may be a useful tool, but it was being abused here on ezboards. Very happy it's gone.

[EZ_Pherret]

First, a frame is where two or more "windows" are displayed on a page at once. Both pages have a seperate URL and can be controlled seperately. A good example of this is the Safehouse homepage. There a top window that has the navigation and a bottom window with all the content. Another example is Yahoo Email (if you have one).

An I-frame is a traditional framed window that "floats" in the at a position in another page. It is code that is specific to IE and will not work with any other browser. This is why they are getting rid of it because it is imcompatable with all other browsers... business wise, it's a good decision. Technically, it's not a good decision because It's extremely useful but the remaining 5% of the population that still uses Netscape or another browser is a significant reason to not use it.

Netscape is the devil. I will be sooooo happy the day when there is only one browser... but I doub't this will ever happen =( . For web programmers, it's a nightmare getting your code compatable on 12 platform/browser/version configurations. Pherret ** [ 45 Redeemed Rogue | Cazic-Thule | Fueled by Fuzzy Power® ]

[EZ_Azlinon]

I would much rather prefer the day when there are a few hundred broswers than the day there is only one. The biggest problem with browsers now is that the comerical browsers do not follow the standards that were designed for the technologies. That makes the problems, not having the multiple browsers. Personally, I can't stand IE. The large number of bugs almost forces me to go elsewhere; add to that fact that it does not follow many of the standards, I will gladly take Mozilla (and do) anyday. However, as webmaster, I am forced to design within a subset of the standards that IE supports. Mozilla is still the for-runner as far as stability and technological advancement of any major browser. How many of you can say you have had a web-browser open and kicking every day non-stop for 3 months without a crash? Azlinon Seflarian of Divine Symphony
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[EZ_Ugli Itchybottom]

Back when the browsers were in 3.0 versions, netscape was much better than IE.

Netscape hasn't added much since then (except for version 6, where the interface had such a complete overhaul people don't recognize it and its almost unused), while IE has added a ton, and become faster and more stable.

While I agree with the point about following the standards ...something Microsoft does NOT do... they still don't support server push animations that were part of the HTML 1.0 spec for example, while they add a TON of their own proprietary stuff that becomes the defacto (not official)standard since they now have over 95% market share.

A few of the things Microsoft has implemented maybe should actually become part of the official standards. For example getting DHTML code to work with IE is 10x easier than getting it to work in Netscape.

Another thing I dislike about Netscape is it totally hogs your CPU while waiting for a page to download. With IE the CPU is idle when the browser is awaiting more data to come through. This is especially bad if the webserver and the browser are on the same machine. The netscape process generally takes much higher priority than the webserver process, so the webserver delivers pages slower to netscape because the server gets no CPU time while netscape is waiting on it. Really nasty cycle going there. Shamoo
Barbarian Warrior of Mithaniel MarrEdited by: Ugli Itchybottom at: 9/1/01 12:20:19 am

[EZ_Pherret]

Quote: I would much rather prefer the day when there are a few hundred broswers than the day there is only one.

If that ever happened, I would have to quit my job for good. I wouldn't be able to stand that. It takes about a day of QA for something to go out the door with 2 browsers to check, imagine what would happen if there was even 5 browsers! Compliancy is a pain epecially with DHTML and flash. Of all the browsers to code for, Netscape is by FAR the worst. We don't even check Mozilla because it represents less than 1% of our customer base.

Quote: The biggest problem with browsers now is that the comerical browsers do not follow the standards that were designed for the technologies.

I completely agree. If all the browers followed the standards, I wouldn't have any problems but, when it comes down to it, it's a business and the business will always add things to make it's browser more attractive than the other. Compliancy is something I don't see in the near future.

[EZ_Northerner]

You know what? Just give me a standard.

I really don't care which one, just stick to it! Authoring for Opera (baseline) and Netscape and IE in all their various versions is a pain in the ass. Monopoly? I am ok with that by now. MS controls 99% of my other development tools outside of Java, I won't lose sleep over it. Celeris Tujimson
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"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."-Dan Quayle

[EZ_The Werejackal]

I was a die-hard Netscape fan, and then I died. Hard. The Werejackal
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[EZ_Triff]

*hugs his Microsoft IE*
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[EZ_Fraay]

I work at a web development company (coder).. and we've tracked down this itty bitty bug (feature??) that's been causing us so much grief..

Netscape doesn't support HTML

Other then that.. great product.. heh

[EZ_araxas xev]

IE is so much better than nutscrape. I'm not a prof. web designer or anything but have done some casual designing like my guild's website. One thing I like to use a lot is empty table cells serving as a visual border something like this:

banner
======
i = main
i = main
i = main
i = main
======
footer

with i's being the left navigation bar, ='s being an empty table cell with a background color, and main being the main area with the info heh. It's nice because it scales to whatever size a particular subpage is, and looks pretty clean. Except stupid netscape doesn't register the background color when there's no data in a cell, so it just looks like an empty area. Still have never found a way around this.

[EZ_Filan Fyretracker]

my website has transitions and colored scroll bards which look really neat but nutcrape for somereasion doesnt like DHTML