SKs are not being completely forthcoming about their DPS

[EZ_Khross]

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We are having a discussion about the DPS of the Knight classes at the Ranger's Glade, and many of the senior SKs are making some ludicrous statements their DPS not coming close to that of us Rangers. Since you guys are the "masters" of DPS, maybe you can jump over and help us out?

Do any of you have some actual parses from high-end mobs that you might be able to share with us?

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Quote: Since you guys are the "masters" of DPS Try magicians tower or graffe.

[EZ_Lalandar the Lover]

I'm sure at least a few of us plan on lurking on over...

[EZ_Bask Nrobbins]

As I used to be a 55 SK, well equipped, I used to have about 75 dps at my VERY best, with buffs out my arse. I know a very well equipped SK could hit 90ish, using spells at our disposal, and maybe 110 if you are Ubah, using pet, spells, buffed, behind the mob, and very lucky. Keep in mind that it is mana dependant, and pet dependant. So it is not a constant, like a rogue sitting behind a mob, or a mage tossing fireballs, and /pet attacking.

As far as us SKs holding info from you rogues and rangers.. we JUST got fixed, why in the heck should we tell everything to you and get nerfed again? We still get owned in melee DPS by rangers and rogues, as it should be. So quitcherbitchin, eh?

[EZ_Khuzdul69]

I dunno, looking over the entire thread, looks more like a lynch mob over on Rangers Glade looking for someone to lynch rather than a reasoning discussion of DPS.

Why don't you go check the monk boards? They are just as concerned with DPS as you are, if not more so and probably wouldn't be too hard to get them all riled up on you side since they are also looking for people to bash... Khuzdul - Cleric
Ologhai - Shadow Knight
Mandros - Warrior
Vendetta - Rogue

[EZ_Seigfried]

Maybe Khross you will stop posting on every message board to call for help on the nerfing SK truck...Leave all the class alone thx

[EZ_Xanyia]

I got a suggestion for you.. turn other hits on.
My husband is a half epiced 58 ranger 6 aaxp and I have a lv
61 sk with 23 aaxp and epic. We attack the same mob...Guess who can KS the other??
Sure I can KS a mob from him nuking lifetapping and HT but after that one mob is dead and I am LOM guess what? Ranger does more damage.
You seem to forget that SK melee skills and offense cap much much lower than Rangers.
A ranger whining about SK dps gets no symphaty from me, nor probably from anybody who has played a SK.


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[EZ_Fomar of Xev]

DPS, try playing a bard and then talk about DPS. That was my main before switching over to rogue. A cleric or chanter could KS me if they wanted to against a single mob. Anyway off topic, but just needed to gripe.

[EZ_DISCOPOPE]

ranger dps pwn sk easy. i have others hits in a seporate window. hits mode shows lotso ranger spam, and some embarrasingly low sk dammage. i stopped logging hitsmode though. i dont have any parses for you.
....funny, it was us that wanted to buy a caravan off of him..

[EZ_VinnieDaPooh]

Some parsing off of one of the blobs in VT

Rangers :

Ranger 1 : Total : 58,483 DPS : 54.50 Swings : 1432
Ranger 2 : Total : 36,168 DPS : 29.50 Swings : 1058


Shadow knight :

SK 1 : Total : 30,993 DPS : 23.39 Swings : 302
SK 2 : Total : 46,483 DPS : 35.21 Swings : 436
SK 3 : Total : 25,925 DPS : 19.66 Swings : 262


Top rogue :

Total : 73,624 DPS : 59.76 Swings : 1587
I am addicted ... oh well :)

[EZ_Elinusyen]

ahh, a witch hunt. Nice thread, good to see ya bury yourself. Hey guys (I have class envy) sk's are too uber, dont have any concrete evidence but im sure its out there based on the above post you should be concerned about unintened self nerfage you fool. Edited by: Elinusyen at: 12/25/02 10:35:07 am

[EZ_Khaunshar]

Lvl 65 SK, 120+ AAs, Emperor Sword, Vengeance 14 total, Avatar, in the same group as similar equipped rogues (with bard songs etc.), parsed on a Kaas Thox Vi Aten Ha ra (thats one of the 2 Aten blobs) 98 DPS. Rogues with Khalshazar / AHB, same buffs, Vengeance 11, parsed 131 DPS.

No pet counted.

Spear of Decay, Ignite Blood, Blood of Hate, Zevfeers Bite were always used when recycled, full spell crit AAs and Focus effect/song, in the end thats AT LEAST the same DPS as that rogue.

Now, the rogue couldnt backstab all the time, so he sort of lost half his backstab damage. Also, the SK had to buff/rebuff aggro, and Shroud of Chaos ( such a fool) midfight.
Proc damage clearly favors SK (195 self imbue)

In the end, I'd say with Luclin gear, but PoP spells, a SK can get pretty close to any rogue, higher than a lot of monks (all this for the limited timespan that the mana lasts, about 25 minutes for me with best mana regen buffs and FT 11) and certainly higher than any dual wielding ranger.

Then again, if we're talking about a 2hander using ranger, thats a different league altogether.

the big advantage of SKs over pure melee, at this time, is the fact that the above mentioned spells from PoP were a BIG boost in DPS, while so far superior weapons havent really turned up.

Btw, IMO thats the reason for this whole problem with casters outdamaging melee etc. Every class with spells operates at lvl 64/65 performance since those are easy to come by, while pure melee still use the gear they used at lvl 60 for the most part.

I'd expect the "ranking" of DPS to change substantially for elemental planes / plane of time.

@~}~~ Khaunshar T'Varith ~~{~@Edited by: Khaunshar at: 1/8/03 6:18:04 pm

[EZ_fal13n]

Shadowknights will never be truely balanced until harmtouch becomes equivalent to deathtouch. . ..x.. .
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thy kingdom cum, thy will be done
on earth, as it is in hell

[EZ_Rhowne]

Hmmm, have you seen the SK hit/miss ratio?

Have you actually looked at the refresh rates on the "uber dd's" SK's have now?

Oh, and did you notice that the SK archery cap is 70? Look at the offensive skill caps for the classes. Shadow Knights are a survival/utility class - we have tools to survive AoE DDs/DoTs/etc and get mostly anywhere without assistance. As a class, SKs are focused on aggro (yay, there is *finally* a vision for the class), not dps. Shadow Knights are not a dps class. Anyone that plays the class to be a dps machine is mistaken. We can generate damage, but not Rogue-like damage (unless you're comparing a 60 pre-epic rogue to a 65 post-VT SK...). Baron Rhowne "Bloody Teeth" Frozenflame
62nd Grave Lord
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[EZ_greenerton]

hi trueshot

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[EZ_Cylin Ivoryblade]

The day HT scales to DT is the day LoH becomes a complete heal + 100hp/sec regen for 1000 hrs and makes you glow all red and stuff.. cuz that woulld be cool.. and and and... its not ganna happen Cylin,
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[EZ_Atylla]

Jeezus, you guys gonna make a new pointless and devoid of all proof post every other week now?

It takes about 3 times the AA cost to produce a small fraction of the damage of an AM3/Endless quiver ranger.

You guys are a discredit to your community. I'm glad there are those at the Ranger's Glade that conveniently and en masse, point you tools out for us.



EDIT: Directed at the original poster BTW> Emmalythe 29th lvl teabagger armswoman (retired)
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TorvonnilousEdited by: Atylla at: 1/23/03 7:43:26 pm

[EZ_Aurelios84]

Wait wait wait... lets put one thing into perspective here..
SHADOW KNIGHTS are TANKS, they get PLATE armour, they are not ment to do as much dmg as other melee, same as paladin's

RANGERS arn't great tanks, we get CHAIN armour, but we also get Atk buffs, which help us reach a better DPS then most other classes.

[EZ_Braid]

So... youre saying they should nerf ranger tanking?