Dueling a Druid...

[EZ_D 0ne]

A level 35 rogue VS a level 34 Druid.

What do I have to do to win this fight?
Basics, tactics, strategy and sundries, please.
Gakkwin Goetia
Rogue of the 35th Blade
E'CI
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[EZ_Zanoan]

Ofcourse, always search for the back and BS if possible. Keep interrupting, have high MR - and watch the DS.

[EZ_vilian]

hmmm your best option is mag resis and a horseshoe up your ass
...your are dead

Vilian Of Vallon DLB

[coyoteblack]

Bah!! Bah
I am 39 Rogue and play my sisters druid so I know a them both. You can whoop them but good. Here is how. First have some Gollum wands or pre nurf pumice, Make sure they are hot keyed. Then put on your magic/fire resist gear.
Apply you SNARE poison so they can't run away, drink your sow potion. The first second and prolly third thing they will do is try to snare you. Then dot you. just pumice off the dots and snare and they will already be at half mana. With them snared and you sow'd they will be dead as a door nail.
" No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style" -- Vlad Taltos

[EZ_Sterk]

--A rogue should NEVER be the challenger...always accept it, and only do so when ready to do the two following things:

1) Pumice the bastard--removes whatever their first buff is (if they're smart, they'll have a junk buff up first--if not, you'll be getting rid of SoW or a Damage Shield...good for you!)

2) Land a Backstab and Poison at the same time

Easy, eh?

Basically, for duels--I tick someone off until they challenge me...once they do I find them, hide, apply a poison (blind or system shock or snare, depending on class)and get ready to accept. Then I watch them...usually casters will med if they think you're not ready yet...so get behind him, accept the duel and backstab/poison.

If a melee type, they'll wonder where you are--just get behind them and do the same as with casters.

You're already way ahead.

Now stay out of range of the charging melee's attacks (or stay near a caster to interrupt spells and go nuts.

Good luck and good hunting to you.

-Sterk Shadowhunter
PvP Poison Master

[EZ_Sterk]

Double Posting

-Sterk Edited by: Sterk at: 4/4/01 12:36:56 pm

[EZ_Vehn]

Remember that you can cast spells/use items with casting-time before you accept the duel. i.e. s/h behind them, hit your (nerfed) pumice, count to 4, /d, keel.

[EZ_Ceescrit da Bossalini]

Da Boss's Guide to killing Dr00ds:

1. Get your MR to 90+

2. Get your FR as high as possible (70+ is great, 50+ will do)

3. Bring a sow potion with a couple charges. Make sure you drink one before the fight when he isn't looking

4. Get the best bow you can, and some nice arrows (I hope your archery skill is good.)

5. Have a fully charged pupmice stone hot-keyed in inventory
If you get snared, target self and hit that baby till you get it off you, timing is key with the increased cast time. Also, try to get a couple of pumices in on him right off the bat, hopefully you'll kill his damage sheild.

6. Open with Muscle Lock (Snare) poison, this will kill his sow, and give you a HUGE advantage.

7. Stay on him like white on rice, and land dem backstabs.

8. If his damage shield is owning you, back off and bow kite him while you wait for your backstab to rececyle, before moving in to melee again, backstab, back off, rinse and repeat.

9. Try to kill him before his DoT chews away your HP's, if you're DoTed, without any buffs above it, then pumice it off ASAP.

G'luck, and give em a stab for me. [b]Ceescrit Bossalini
Crime Boss of Vallon Zek
>Illuvitae

[EZ_Wiggo]

here's what I do when I decide to attack a druid (or a shaman) switch your SBD to main hand... if you have two SBDs equip them both. Dead druid

[EZ_Tular the Most Ill]

Last time i fought someone with DS i still got hit by it even when using ranged weapons which is very lame. did they change this?

[EZ_Ceescrit da Bossalini]

No, the lame asses at Verant STILL haven't fixed it, after over a year of complaining.

You don't take damage using a bow though. [b]Ceescrit Bossalini
Crime Boss of Vallon Zek
>Illuvitae

[EZ_vilian]

listen boys ..when i said you are dead..i ment it
i think you have forgotten the most important thing...you have to get CLOSE enough to pumice...poison ..ect ect
i read the BAH BAH..and how easy it is to kill a druid...well thats just crap..hate to say it but i have a high lvl druid ( coughs with embarassment)...and this 41 rogue....
there is no way in hell a rogue would EVER get close enough to kill a half assed druid....any druid you have killed is one who does not know his char
( PVP druid is way to powerfull ..verant should change it a bit )
Vilian Of Vallon DLB...hater of druids and bards

[EZ_Aerimus]

Heres a clue casters stop to cast during this time melees can catch up with them. If you end up snared and the snare poison lasts you will die. Quick movement + dmg shields allows druids to win a fight. If your enemy manages to take both near the begining of a fight you are dead.

[EZ_Dading001]

haha druids are little wussy girls... well to clerics at least... havent foughten a druid so i would know bro... sorry Dading Daboozeman 42 cleric!
Jippo Yoinksalot 23 rogueTarew Marr Max BS 81! WOOT!
What? Run? Train? what does that mean? hold on let me finish my beer... hey you little punk, you split my beer!!! you need to DIE!...Thatll teach you to hit a dwarf with a beer wont it Mr kobold? wont it?

[EZ_vilian]

druids open with snare....if that doesnt take ..they run cast again..repeat if needed..if to many resists ....the options are ....dot sow kite..or zone
druid need never die ...and go ahead argue all you want ..i have both chars ( love my rogue ) 75% of the time the rogue will fall

[EZ_Khran]

One important thing to remember is to /d last.

I fought a sly wiz who I challenged first and he started casting root and in the middle accepted. SO I got rooted before I could even hit my auto attack button.

I owned his bitch ass anyway =]

Druids are tough. Can't really add anything because everyone else really said it all.

[EZ_PoisinDaggerfist]

To all the girlies with druids and your rogue twinks, rogues have more tricks than you know. Its all up to the player behind the rogue. Rogue will win 90% if you have the following:

pillage wands
jboots
blind/snare poison
resists at 90+ for MR/FR

pillage wand+jboots=deadplayerifherunsaway

For druids, rip off the DS, sow and skin buffs with 5 charges of pillage, (last I heard jboots was faster than reg. run) pop him/her with a blind poison, and clean your blade off with his/her shirt. Kill them fast cause I think it hurts their pride more

Rangers, same deal cept punch disarm lots and play "kite the ranger for fun" with a bow or boulders. Try taking his mana pool down with poison if the ranger is a druid wannabe.

See a necro buff up with DMF and other useless self-buffs before your duel? I start pissing myself with laughter and hit him with a dispell. Dead necro in 13 seconds using a blind poison.

Paladins all come down to MR and snare/blind and disarm. A good paladin will try to root, blind and stun. with 100+ MR, you will resist 90% of them and scare the crap out of them

Only class I truely fear is a shaman. I hear that they can kite AND tank you if slow hits

I respect monks/war only as far as their poison resist gear. IF you have your ripost disc up, use the root+haste poison and stand there and watch them kill themselves on your 100% ripost.

Note: Biggest complaint from melee and most casters when dueling a rogue- "They keep moving around, I can't him 'em"

I'll take that one
Poisin Daggerfist,60th Assassin- Retired

[EZ_khaail]

let em challenge ya first... snare/root em... if your MR is about 90+ you should resist all snares. etc.
<<<< IF >>> you have mrylokars BP/assasins BP.. you are in luck... you get half health or so... run off and heal yourself. you can heal your HP with the BP faster than a druid can get mana up..i know this from experience

Kaail Lasra
55 Blackguard

[EZ_Maximilean]

If the druid keeps his distance, you die. If the druid's sow is better than Jboots or your sow, then he keeps his distance.

If the Rogue has 130 of every resist, Jboots against a weak sow, and 30 dispel items in his pants that he uses like an expert, he'll make short work of the druid. Or a necro.

The practical problem with these (paper) arguements is that by the time you have the guts to blow hundreds of plat on items in a fight, godlike resists and Jboots, the Druid's sow will be fast enough for him to run. I dunno, maybe in a duel using all these items is practical, but not in everyday PVP, when people just run for it when they discover a melee has uber-resistance.

That's not to say that melees are owned like people think they are if they have good resists and it's just an ordinary fight. A melee with 2 or 3 dispels and a good set of resists can beat a caster, but I'd say the caster still has a ton of options, particularly as a druid or chanter.

Hence, my druid and chanter. I'll get a Rogue when I can afford not to be owned by arse gnome pests for 20 levels. It's not a question of twinking, it's a question of not wanting to be the playtoy of every 12 year old playing a level 9 necro in Elf newbie grounds. Same kids who pick wings off of flies.

[EZ_voodoospirit]

why u all want to fight outdoors? just go in a dungeon then u ll prolly own all classes.
btz by the time a druid cast u can be on him and land your poison resisted or not even if he sowed he must stop to cast.

voodoospirit
blackguard
RZ

[EZ_Tular the Most Ill]

i've been fighting druids in FP arena a lot and at lvl 55 with 120mr i have yet to have any spell land on me besides winged death (which is easily supressed by pumice or assassin's bp). I've only actually killed 2 or 3 because most of them, like any caster will just run like a pansy when they run out of their precious mana.

[EZ_Maximilean]

A rogue can slaughter a druid if he's twinked/simply well equipped high level, but the druid has to assume the position for that close-range fight to ever take place.

Refusing to engage someone who you cannot cast on isn't being a pansy. It's "not commiting suicide." If the Druid/caster is the one who instigated the fight, you can mock him for running if you want. If a druid doesn't want to fight your 120s resist monster with 10 pillage wands, he won't. If you try to annoy him about it, he can ignore you, or at worst say to hell with it and go port to the other side of the world.

[EZ_PoisinDaggerfist]

Golem wands are easy to get and are instant cast at the same range as any caster spell. Unload one or 2 of them and you strip off a druids DS and sow... hence, he will never outrun you if he tries to recast sow, or land a dot/nuke cast, and by that time you can stick him with a root poison/blind poison. Fight over in 30 secs or less.

And if you are fighting a druid/caster, I drop all AC gear for dragon gear (MR/CR/FR/HP), so even if they get an offensive cast off, it gets resisted. Untwinked, you can get resists up to 100-150 and add 200-400 hps.

If you are thinking in straight melee over caster, the key factor why rogues excell above all others in a prepared PvP setting is the poisons that can be applied.

Golem wands+jboots=caster beatdown

Note: Mages are a pain, but I found the best way is to target the mage while having applied a root poison and golem wand off his DS and sow. His pet will attack you and when you ripost the pet, it will get the root poison. Then start picking away at him with arrows or your dagger of choice... SBD comes in real handy here Poisin Daggerfist,60th Assassin- Retired

[Wotan]

What sterk, ceescrit, and wiggo said.

If you really want to go all out, get some potions: haste, sow, resist, and regen. Definitely pumice his buffs and use a bow vs. Damage shield.

If your MR is

[EZ_Venytir]

I think the first thing you should do when you duel, is go find a good pool of water. When he starts casting, move into the water and his spells can't land.

Another interesting thing is, casters with sow (those that run faster than you)will always try and kite you. Basically, what you do is if they don't run far enough away to get a spell off, you can just catch up to them. And if you think they got enough space off, just run the exact opposite direction out of casting range. That way, they can't really kite you.

Finally, get a dungeon! DO NOT FIGHT IN OPEN AREAS! you will get owned every time.

[EZ_Elegance]

bows do not interupt spells...thrown weapons do, for the same reason you take damage from a ds.
I thought you were gonna say "SUCKS" and leave the post at that. Diabalein Avidya
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