Linkdeath Ethics?

[EZ_Maximilean]

I've had a few people go LD on me while I was fighting them. It's never been that big of an issue, at no time did linkdeath lead to super-hitting characters wiping me out or anything like that. In each case, for various reasons I've not finished the Linkdead character off. But, interestingly, I've had complaints that I continued to attack (unknowingly) after the character went LD; nuking at long range, for example, before noticing the linkdeath.

I was very confused when I got /tells like "Thanks for the nukes you kept dropping on my head after I went LD."

In one case, on the advice of the zone, I zoned myself rather than finish off a yellow dwarf I was in the process of winning against after he went LD.

Now, I wouldn't go attack someone ordinarily if they had a AFK or especially LD tag just sitting around, but in my opinion, once battle is joined, linkdeath just means bad luck, you die. Is something wrong with this? I would think if linkdeath meant "disengage," this would get constantly exploited by people who can't handle defeat.

Basically, I got a very divided opinion when I asked zones about this. A lot of "hardcore pvpers" ( ) were very much in agreement with me that LD was just rotten luck, you die. And yet a lot of other folks thought fighting LD players under any circumstances was unethical, and the non-LD player should zone. (?!?)

Am I crazy?

[EZ_MajestykVZ]

Your opponents connection is not your problem. Kill them. They suffer no exp loss. In many cases the LinkDeath is self imposed to avoid looting. Do not trouble yourself about it. Majestyk, Rogue, Shanks, Vallon Zek!We as Shanks, have chosen the hard path. In the hardness of it, is where we find the glory.

[EZ_Ceescrit da Bossalini]

Shortly after word got around that when you go LD in PvP, your now computer controlled avatar can do 2 things:

1) Hit, and chain cast spells, like an NPC (ie, hurt much harder than a PC)

2) Cause EXP loss if they kill you.


... all of the sudden a new trend develops. If you attack somone that either isn't ready, oom, doesn't feel like fighting back, etc. all they have to do is reach down and pull their phone cord, or simply /q out of the game. This is one of the newest "greif" tactics in PvP, and I don't tolerate it.

Heard a couple things on this one. When somone actually does go LD (bad luck, ISP), they will "blink out" (dissapear from view, then pop back up with the LD flag on their head. If they purposely /q out of the game, they will just immediately display the [LD] flag next to their name, without "blinking out" first.

Either way, I have no ill feeling towards killing somone that goes LD DURING PvP combat. Most of the time, its a matter of life and death (exp loss). I would never purposely attack and try to kill somone with the [LD] flag, if I hadn't already engaged with them though.

As far as /tells like "Thanks for the nukes you kept dropping on my head after I went LD." goes, that is utter BS. How the hell will they know whether you continued to nuke or not AFTER the fact that they went LD? Sounds like another poor, bluebie, excuse and trash talk spew that I hear everyday when I attack somone that doesn't feel like fighting back, or PvPing that day. Same as somone that instantly sits down and goes /afk as soon as they are attacked. The whole time they continue to sit and say "AFK AFK AFK" while being killed... my ass. Go ahead, petition me you bl00b, see if I care. If you go AFK on a PvP server, without hiding yourself well, or having somone look after you, you just might get killed. Its happened to me, and I never bitch.

I have over 500+ PvP kills since day 1 on this server, and must have been /petitioned more than 100 times.... still no official warnings or suspensions on any of my characters. [b]Ceescrit Bossalini
Crime Boss of Vallon Zek
>Illuvitae

[EZ_Elegance]

I loved the exloss caused by being killed by a link dead player although I only used it once. some guy was corpse camping a friend of mine and he had managed to beat the crap out of the guy just before he died the second time and I showed up when he was low on life STILL corpse camping. so I lit into him got him WAY down on life and when I saw him light up with a nuke I just /qed on his ass. my @#%$ was he pissed. I just asked him what he thought of people who would exploit the game like that, and he just kept bitchin at me, I guess he didnt get it. Diabalein Avidya
One Extra Large Can O Grade A Retarded Whoop Ass
Rogue of the 30th thingymajigger
129 points of Loving, Hand delivered on the end of a sharp stick

[EZ_vilian]

holy is that true

LD char hits harder...?

it might explain a battle i just had ..i was doing very well against a barb warr..red to me..
all of a sudden i hear (from the newbys watching us in nek forest ..."hay barbs LD" )
next thing i know im getting creamed by yak procs...the same ones that didnt get through my mag resist in the first 3 mins of our battle...
pissed me off dieing ...looking at the BACK of a should be dead barb warr..( always thought we cant hit from behind WHY can others )
i just put it up to real bad luck....could this be an exploit ?
vilian ( finnaly 41 ) Of Vallon

[EZ_Elegance]

pvp you can hit anyone in range regardless of front or back, its bs I know but thats how it works. you dont hit harder that I know of but death caused by a ld player (at least it used to) causes MASSIVE exp loss. around 2 1/2 yellow bubs at 20th if I remeber right. yes I would classify this as an exploit but once again I dont know if this has changed or not. Diabalein Avidya
One Extra Large Can O Grade A Retarded Whoop Ass
Rogue of the 30th thingymajigger
129 points of Loving, Hand delivered on the end of a sharp stick

[EZ_Cylant]

Only had someone plug on me once, he was a paladin named Ulriche who had been pk'ing with his mage friend, and he pulled the plug when i started attacking him. His linkdead avatar made me zone. Cylant Butdeadly
43rd Thief
Rallos Zek

[EZ_Elegance]

good plan, and go read your jousting post ya crazy gnome Diabalein Avidya
Rallos Zeks Dumbest Rogue
Level 30 In Spite Of Severe Learning Disabilities
131 points of Loving, Hand delivered on the end of a sharp stick

[Wotan]

I have noticed that a lot of players seem to legitimately go LD during a fight. Something to do with the battle spam I suppose. That said, I've lost count of the lamers that do this repeatedly and intentionally. Some guilds on our server, you can count on it like clockwork. I will generally finish the fight unless I think it is unintentional.

Very foolish tactic IMO. You are counting on the goodwill of your opponent not to take the opportunity to easily xp you himself.

Wotan Shaman Elder of the Shanks
It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand. - Apache Proverb

[Marbh]

I figure it this way, if I'm charmed by a evil eye and the LD goes up above my head I cause XP loss to folks killed, and hit way hard. So I figure it's the same when someone yanks the plug. So if they LD during the fight, I need to take em down for my own good.