Jousting....

[EZ_Cylant]

HOW DO YOU BEAT IT??!*(&$#(*$&#$

i've figured out how to beat almost every strategy but jousting with someone who has the same.. or greater running speed than I do. Had a little confrontation with a shadow knight from DB.... he just jousted me in nro... was a good duel... he complemented me on it afterwards.. but he still jousted the crap out of me. When it ended he had about 7%hp and i had about 10hp(not percent).
He would basicly run(with me on his tail).. turn around.. and then hit me. Jumping.. turning around.. and backstabbing didn't work because he didn't run in a straight line. Following him didn't work because of the melee range bug.

Any solutions here?

NOTE: he also didn't take too kindly to my blind poison.... wore off very fast. Failed to apply another poison mid-battle. Cylant Butdeadly
43rd Thief
Rallos Zek
Edited by: Cylant at: 5/4/01 12:10:38 am

[EZ_Elegance]

jousting sucks ass for us to go against but heres somthing for ya.
wait til he charges you, facing him charge him as well.
jump over him and NOT trying to turn hit your bs as you pass over him,
this works rather well for me, if you want look me up in game and Ill show ya what I mean (kinda hard to make it real clear in print) Diabalein Avidya
Rallos Zeks Dumbest Rogue
Level 30 In Spite Of Severe Learning Disabilities
131 points of Loving, Hand delivered on the end of a sharp stick

[EZ_MajestykVZ]

You can backstab on a properly timed joust without turning. When target passes thru you, you can land backstab without turning. I've done it many times. Depending on lag, you have to hit BS before target reaches you.

also.

A reverse circle strafe, followed by an immediate run at the passing back and then jumping can avoid the hit and get in a BS. Difficult manuveur using a keybaord mouse combo.

*edit* wanted to clarify that there are two seperate techniques here. If, you can't be good. at least, be good at it.Majestyk, Rogue,Shanks,Vallon Zek!Edited by: MajestykVZ at: 5/4/01 2:11:38 pm

[EZ_Elegance]

"A reverse circle strafe"


/boggle


um its left or right isnt it? or are you...nevermind even that doesnt make sense Diabalein Avidya
Rallos Zeks Dumbest Rogue
Level 30 In Spite Of Severe Learning Disabilities
131 points of Loving, Hand delivered on the end of a sharp stick

[EZ_Dove Whispersilk]

I think he means backing up while running circles

so your running around, or dancing with the other guy while moving backwards. Backing up is a very strong tool in melee vs melee fights as the server doesnt track changes of direction very well. Alternating moving forward and backwards makes your avatar appear very jumpy, and you will often times ghost off in a random direction.
Dove the Silent, rank 60 Assassin of Terris-Thule

[EZ_MajestykVZ]

Reverse Circle Strafe (left) = Moving backwards, Strafing to left, and turning to right simultaneously. My own terminology. Maybe someone's givin it a different name.

As soon as target comes even, move forward while maintaining strafe and turn until facing target's back. If, target stops, backstab. If, target continues to move, jump and backstab.
Edited by: MajestykVZ at: 5/4/01 2:13:21 pm

[EZ_Karne Ariethkuul COS]

You can execute a backstab in passing. Personally, I do not mind jousting with someone. When moving at them in straight line turn on attack and backstab in passing. Often you will land a backstab while still in the front. Practice it, a friend and me lined up back to back and you can backstab your opponent this way. So essentially in your passing point if you can hit it you will nail them. No need to circle straffe on a Jouster. If your still having problems with this, try moving back while they come at you jousting. Do this right when there about to hit you and often they will prematurely hit their attack. Then spin in place and get them in passing.

Hope that helps

Karne

[EZ_Madeline TZ]

Try to redice lag any way you can and use the environment best you can. Get them to charge into objects and you can get a few free shots in as they change trajectory. Also take advantage of the rate of speed you have when strafing and moving foreward at the same time.

Die hundreds of times and learn to backstab people from the front. Be small... small as you possibly can

[EZ_Elegance]

ahhhh movin backwards are ye...I get it I was really sleepy last night when I posted that. yes I use lag to my advantage lots, of course I have almost no lag so...where the hell is Cylant any how? he started this thing. Diabalein Avidya
Rallos Zeks Dumbest Rogue
Level 30 In Spite Of Severe Learning Disabilities
131 points of Loving, Hand delivered on the end of a sharp stick

[EZ_Maximilean]

When you think about it, a Rogue who can time those backstabs should LOVE jousting. Who cares if the SK gets his mighty 2hs in if you get a backstab every time swords cross

[EZ_Lirin TZ]

max, it is much easier to hit with a big 2hs while jousting than it is to hit a backstab. since most jousting ends up being done face to face, it take alot of skill to hit a backstab.

and on a similar subject, the funnyest thing ive ever heard about was a warrior friend of mine killing a full hp caster in one round with a weighted axe =) Lirin AzamiaReaper of Tunarewww.ClanofNobles.comEdited by: Lirin TZ at: 5/5/01 12:26:44 am

[EZ_Dinadaan DeDenaan]

Thats how I deal with jousters. The (heheh I laugh now you have a name for it) reverse-CoD.

Weighted axe is great, isnt it? Ho hum, another medding caster. WHOMP WHOMP KICK, loot.

[EZ_vilian]

hmm great ideas......
still best thing ive found is ..
close one eye and tongue in the left side of your mouth

Vilian (realy starting to suck at PVP*sob* )

[EZ_Grimjaw Badflagon]

Make him fight YOUR battle.

You don't want to joust. Don't let him.

My favorite tactic against a good jouster is to either circle right or left quick.

OR throw their timing off, by stopping/sliding before they time their swing.

The second one is often the most effective, but keep them off guard. Jump over them circle right/left. run through, stop/start.

Let them keep guessing what you are going to do. Grimjaw Badflagon Retired "cosmopolitain" Thug, Former Ringwarden of Terris Thule,
Infinity Watch
Ulster of the Shanks, Elder Banker and Fence.(Vallon Zek)
Quixote
I bought me an illusion and I put it on the wall...I let it fill my head with dreams and I had to have them all...

[EZ_Cylant]

Well, in the battle i was fighting, making him fight my battle wouldnt really work - he was a shadow knight. But the latter sounds interesting, i'm going to try it next time. Cylant Butdeadly
44th Thief
Rallos Zek

[EZ_Mordier]

Ulster has the right of it (and he'd like to think he's my teacher, but the day a wolverine teaches a buckeye anything is the day...but I digress).

First off, I've never turned during a joust to hit a backstab. Just run through them and hit backstab just before you go through. You'll stab 'em or miss the stab almost every time with some practice. The key is to set up a "joust" button which turns on both "attack" and "backstab" at the same time for you (less buttons for you to worry about). Add disarm to this combo as well.

The key to beating any 2hs/b opponent who's jousting is to play on YOUR terms. Throwing off their timing means their death. They have to wait for that attack to recycle, so take advantage of that.

When they charge you, charge them but stutter (stop or slide) when they get near. Usually they'll jump the gun and use their attack too early. Then you continue the joust and smack them.

Circle strafing will really frustrate a pure jouster, so get comfortable with that.

Morvran McGuinness, Shanks

[EZ_Faxanadu]

hehe....big secret here but the BS thing w/o turning can be done to MOBs too... makes soloing abit easiser...just run over them and back while you time your BS, hard to learn, but pretty fun to do

[EZ_Karlek]

From the aspect of a jouster like SK, WAR or SHA with 2-handers (so not from rogue's perspective):

Is it not better to keep the attack ON at all times & swing out then back into range, dancing? That way the attack will hit when/if it can. In the meantime it 'waits' to swing.

The argument: if I use joust button with /attack on - /attack off, I might time it wrong due to lag/graphics etc., and simply miss the swing into the air.

Ulthien, proud wielder of drakkel icegrinder 27/45 hammer :P
<u>Ulthien of McKennitts'</u>
Shanks metilsmith tribal Shaman
(reincarnated agnostic rake)[i]

[EZ_Filash]

WTF!

For over a year I've always mouse turned in mid joust to land my stabs...and land them pretty regular.

You guys are cheaters :P

[EZ_Orinab Mas]

Backstabbing over your shoulder is not cheating...its skill!