Best PVP Class for the new server

[EZ_catan]

Assuming that they are allowing all spells to be allowed (fear, charm etc) Im gonna have to say either enchanter or necro.

[EZ_Svart Da Hag]

Dunno...

I seriously doubt they will allow fear or charm since they deemed them bugged but who knows I sure miss fear in PvP thou.

Enchanters are good unless the target have good MR wich all will have, especially if the server is coin only (wich I think I read they where leaning towards).

/Svart, Rallos Zek
/Deddon, Rallos Zek

[EZ_Lirin TZ]

svart, noone will have good MR at the start. and the chanters are going to be the ones to make all the resist gear, because its going to be awhile before people start getting those nice drops. Lirin AzamiaReaper of Tunarewww.ClanofNobles.com

[EZ_Hawkmoth]

rogue

[EZ_Cylant]

Probably wizards -- again. The 54 wizard AE spell: pillar of lightning does 800 damage to any ammount of targets for a low mana cost. It may look funny when 50 newbies die - but it sure isnt. Cylant Butdeadly
47th Thief
Rallos Zek

[EZ_Elegance]

I still think druid or (most likely) nec. a good nec can beat a wiz with taps alone, can solo to 60, and can farm whatever they want at earlier lvls than most any other solo class. Can you imagine the carrnage a high lvl nec pet with augment death could cause in a newbie zone? and they get some funny ae's as well, well funny if you think a herd of dotted newebies slowly dying is funny Diabalein Avidya
Practicing Proctologist for 33 Lvls Of Pure Anal Probing Fun
165 Points of Loving, Hand Delivered on the End of a Sharp Stick

[Kambic]

Yeah, for casters nec/wiz/dru, though if you just wanna kill newbs any melee class (especially rogue) can dish out damage insanely fast as long as he feels like it.

SK would be pretty rough as well heh.

It really depends on if you want a good PvP class, a good PvE class, or a balance between. I'd say as far as PvP, wizzies are the best bar none, but getting to the levels they rule at is the main problem.



"Its not that I dont think you have the guts to come to rallos, I
just want you to come so I can kick yer arse is all."-Diabalein Avidya

[EZ_catan]

rogues wont have any pvp power in the beginning. a 3dmg piecer isnt scary. casters will rule pvp for awhile. Me and my friend are pretty much gonna be a enchanter/necro assuming fear and charm works. if not then druid/wizzie.

[EZ_Venytir]

Fear/charm won't work for the reason that it doesn't work on the current pvp servers. They will just keep the settings that they have now and alter the teams a little. They won't waste their time going backwards unfixing all the problems.

[Kambic]

Check the threads on what is gonna be changing, you'd be surprised. I don't doubt in the least that they will let us fear and charm again.

[EZ_SilentedBlob]

Bards are the most feared class in PvP, they got a bit of every class, plus they have selo's, charms songs, fear songs, resist songs, etc.
Wardlaw McWallace
Derian Windrider

[EZ_Karlek]

few gravity fluxes = dead zone

tho levelling wizzie or chanter is dead boring activity.
Ulthien of McKennitts'
SHANKS! Elder tribal Shaman
(reincarnated agnostic rake)[i]

[EZ_Deddon Diddle]

If I try it out I am leaning towards a Shaman

- Good in PvP
- Good solo
- Good in group

Getting SoW at lvl 9 dont hurt either on a fresh server, downside is getting money for both spells and equipment.

And I have to admit (in conradiction to what I wrote above) that an enchanter isnt bad on a fresh server as LirinTZ kindly pointed out.

Its interesting to consider starting points also, the human cities of Freeport and Quenos will probarbly in total Anarchy since the citicens can be from all 3 factions, same for Gnomes and Erudites. Safest starting point if you want to get some safe speedy leveling done in the beginning will probarbly be Cabilis since Iksars only can worship Cazic and there are no PC enemys close bye.

But as always, play the class/race combo YOU find to be most fun otherwise you will get bored and start over.

/Deddon Diddle, 37 ROG, Rallos Zek
/Svart Val'Sharess, 51 NEC, Rallos Zek

[Kambic]

Well, if rampant PvP (which I expect) change might not be too hard to come by, whether or not it's item loot.

[EZ_Ceescrit da Bossalini]

Melees will have it pretty rough until there's a good amount of resist gear floating around in the economy. Bottom line.

There will be hoards of druids and necros, all trying to be the first to 50, then to 60 within the first month. Necros can solo to 50+ wearing silk armor, druids to 50+ in patchwork.

Casters will rule untill there's a decent amount of resist stuff out there, and better melee weapons being farmed.

Mez, snare, darkness, root, blind, stuns will all be pretty nasty in the beginning. [b]Ceescrit Bossalini
Crime Boss of Vallon Zek
>Illuvitae

[EZ_Lanath TVyl]

My belief based on Vallon Zek will be:

1. Druids
2. Chanters
3. Mages
4. SKs
5. Warriors
...
Last: Wizards

Why?

Druids are way more versatile. About the same ports and tons more easy to level. Chanters are devastating until resists get up in the 85-100 range. Mage pets kick ass and with any kind of assist the earth pet on low level folks sucks.

Sks/Warriors are in the middle of the pack until they get resist gear then they leap up to the top. Cast your heart out against a tank with 100 resists.

I have a sweet spot for shammy due to the dots/dog combo but they get it so late who cares. Necros suck just because. Kill em and if you are dotted just die. Makes a good excuse to have a cleric around.

Last would be wizzies. Why? They are nerfed so badly that they will only be taxis. Under this scheme, the most dangerous spell they have (rains) will be worthless due to the number of teams. Ask the lighties on VZ how often the xteam groups cast rain. Its not very often. Wizzies are eggshell assassins. If they hide around a zone you can get ganked but anything that disrupts their cast kills them. (Like necro/druid/shammy dots or pets or tanks...)

Places not to be: the boat landing in Oasis. Talk about a good place to get slaughtered.

Lanath T'Vyl
Vallon Zek

[EZ_Harpi Larksinger]

I will have to say Necros and SK's and Monks, Cause training mob on people will be a huge tactic now. SK's will have a huge advantage of running into a room full of mobs and bringing them back to you to help him stomp you flat... thats just what I see happening.
Harpi Larksinger
Minstrel of the Crimson Dragons
"Listen to my song for strength and courage, Walk with me to dance on the music of the wind"

Well, enchanters will be amazingly deadly now with the new debuff increase.

90 MR loss is a little hard to make up for. even for a caster with nice buffs, let alone a melee with none. Way to go verant, keep buffing up the classes that already have the advantages, and let the melees become shoping malls again. Yay for forethought.

-L

[EZ_Karlek]

My 100 mana 3secs spell now debuffs at once

magic, cold, poison, fire each for 60 points :)

My roots, blinds, poison DDs (cold ones inefficient in comparison) and poison DoTs rule hehehe

Shaman = very versatile class
Ulthien of McKennitts'
SHANKS! Elder tribal Shaman
(reincarnated agnostic rake)[i]

[EZ_Ceescrit da Bossalini]

and everyone wonders why all the original PvP rogues started rolling up SK, Necro, and druid twinks... [b]Ceescrit Bossalini
Crime Boss of Vallon Zek
>Illuvitae

[Kambic]

For real. Hmm, where did I camp my enchanter out a few months ago...?

[EZ_MajestykVZ]

One character per server. The best PvP class may not be the class you'd most prefer to play. Many of the rogues here played the class when it was considered the worst class to play.

[EZ_Cylant]

Enchanters were hurting before.. but now they're pretty deadly. If they can cast a mez through your slicing and dicing.. you're dead. You won't be able to escape - because their nukes have a small stun on them. This small stun that breaks mez gives them time enough to start casting another mez before you're even mobile again.
They're basicly invincible if they get the jump on you. Cylant Butdeadly
47th Thief
Rallos Zek

[EZ_catan]

now with the resists and debuffs are upped enchanters are deady. a 97 mr debuff is huge.

[EZ_Majesto Manasponge]

Where do you get 97 from?? Their highest magic debuff is 39... so basically they can only debuff a max of 60... please explain

[EZ_Mordier]

Just read this thread...did someone actually say that bards are the most feared class, and were they kidding???

Bards are a joke. They're NOT feared, they're just annoying.

Morvran McGuinness

[EZ_Thief of Souls]

Dont mock the bard... Hard to master but Ive fought some good bards in my day. I wont go into my dealings vs a bard too much cuz Im gonna make one on the new server.

But if your asking the VERY best class for pvp then go on your current server find a level 60 shadowknight and duel him.
SK can take down any class period.

On Vz we have Splorge one mean SK...feel lucky he got DQ'd for goin LD in Vz's BotB cuz Im sure if he woulda won he would be bringing home the all Server BotB trophy to Vz.

I talk highly of this guy even though he's in an enemy guild and race to my rogue on Vz. He's just plain deadly...


So long made short SK if you plan to go all the way with your char is the deadliest most dominating single pvp char you can have.

[EZ_Mordier]

I have more time to post now, so I'll elaborate. I've never feared a bard, and I don't think I ever will. Not neccesarily b/c they don't have skills, but just because they're singing at me hehe.

Now I know a couple higher level bards that kick some serious butt, Cytoplasm being one of them on VZ, but "fear" is not a term I'd use for the bard class. And usually they aren't played well and simply prove to be annoying.

Feared classes? Shadow Knights, Necros, a good shaman, wizzies at higher levels, druids sometimes (although I have trouble fearing them as well). Still for me the scariest sight is an SK or Warrior with a bigass axe bearing down on me.

Morvran

[EZ_Tular the Most Ill]

I'd have to go with SK, seriously they can kill anyone. A lvl 60 SK will HT for over 1000hp, they have some 200 or so hp lifetap and they have a pet that can stun you. All they have to do is use some high dmg 2h and you're toast. SKs can be beat when they don't have HT up for a pet but that's still pretty tough.

[EZ_catan]

not sure if its 93 thats just what i heard from someone on rallos. could be wrong

[EZ_Karne Ariethkuul COS]

I know who the thief of souls is......


He who walks in the shadow, and is now my brother in arms. Good to see you about the lands of the infamous.



Karne

[EZ_Thief of Souls]

Damn, Ive been spotted...

I guess I should make a signature soon.
This will have to do for now


58 Blackguard Shadowshank Stabbins<Defiant> Vz

ROAG!

[EZ_Vokal Khords]

How about a high level bard grouped with 2 rogues moving at selo's speed?

Time to mulch some peeps.

VK

[EZ_yxmark]

bards get the best spell vs caster knock back ..
will make the casters spells interuupt all the time..
so i think bard is really good beacuse they got everything .. Sk is also really good becuase of the HT
every 45 min you can easy slain a caster .

Takone 51th Darkelf Sk
Terrore 25th Mage

[EZ_Arcum Mindraiper]

Ok, the 90 MR debuff was an EXAMPLE on the patch message. We have no such debuff. At lvl 44 we get tashania which is max 33 vs NPC, that's 49 vs PC (rounding down). At lvl 57 we get a 39 MR debuff vs NPC, which is 58 MR vs PC (rounding down). That still sucks IMO.

Arcum Mindraiper
48th Enchanter of Terris-Thule "Where are all the stupid people from, and how'd they get to be so dumb? Bred on purple mountain range, the ever waves of grains, to lesser human beings." -NoFX, The Decline

[EZ_Dagnir Alsowigsanally]

"The ever waves of grains"? It's "Feed amber waves of grain..."

[EZ_Arcum Mindraiper]

mine sounds better "Where are all the stupid people from, and how'd they get to be so dumb? Bred on purple mountain range, the ever waves of grains, to lesser human beings." -NoFX, The Decline

[Kambic]

The killer ones are things like Ro's Fiery Sundering :/

[EZ_Maximilean]

The only problem is, without the old team system, chanters aren't going to be easily disguised as another team... I suppose good ones with illusion iksar or troll would be pretty decently disguised, but people are going to be conning constantly to get teams.

I dunno, I like the idea of a chanter's indirect, clever fighting technique, but could they kill a tank or hybrid?

[EZ_Venytir]

IMO chanters won't be as good as everyone says they will, neither will bards. Firstly, everyone can be rooted. So selo's won't mean anything. Secondly, if you have ever played an untwinked enchanter, that mez/nuke/remez technique will drain your mana waaaay to quickly for you to every kill anything. So basically, you might be able to take something down to low life if you are lucky. Tanks VS chanters = tanks win. Moreover, any smart pvp knows that you can dot yourself with a low level dot and you are unmezable. So just stack on a disease cloud or something and that chanter is screwed. Personally, I don't think it's going to matter what class most people play. As usual, it is skill, not the class, that defines who wins and who loses. Any good pvp will easily defeat a bad pvp no matter what class they choose (excluding possibly clerics for obvious reasons).

[EZ_Dagnir Alsowigsanally]

Quote: mine sounds better
"Where are all the stupid people from, and how'd they get to be so dumb? Bred on purple mountain range, the ever waves of grains, to lesser human beings." -NoFX, The Decline


Ok first of all, that is a great song and should not be misquoted. Are you even getting the actual meaning of the song or do you just think "it totally rocks dude"?

Secondly, yours sounds better? Yours makes absolutely no sense. "The ever waves of grain, to lesser human beings." Read that sentence outloud to yourself and tell me how much sense it makes. It should read: "Feed amber waves of grain, to lesser human beings..." with the closing of the line: "...zero feelings" tagged on there. Now that sounds alot better, doesn't it?

Finally, what does that quote have to do with EQ? /boggle.


P.S. Maybe that verse will make more sense to you if you check out a little number called "America the Beautiful." The youth of today...

[EZ_Arcum Mindraiper]

First of all, its my sig. Second of all it does make sense when you think about it because you're saying that in America past the mountains and the "ever waves of grain", you find stupid people. "Where are all the stupid people from, and how'd they get to be so dumb? Bred on purple mountain range, the ever waves of grains, to lesser human beings." -NoFX, The Decline

[Lisboa]

You're still misquoting it and it does not make sense.

"where are all the stupid people from and how did they get to be so dumb bred on purple mountain range feed amber waves of grains to lesser human beings"

www.punkbands.com/lyrics/...ecline.htm

Makes it sort of ironic though, to be saying other people are dumb...
Edited by: Lisboa at: 6/10/01 2:58:57 pm

[EZ_Mondaal]

You are all talking about what single class will be best at pvp on the new server.
I say none. The most effective pvp is performed by a balanced group.

[EZ_Ugli Itchybottom]

depends what you're looking for:

Good *offensive* PvP classes (best first IMO):

Necro
Druid
Wizard
Rogue
Warrior
Magician
Monk

A lot of people suggest Shaman but they are dead wrong. The pet is a joke and 75 PR/DR, 90 CR/MR is total Shaman spell immunity -- their spells are way too resistable. Add 60 to those resists at high levels for level 60 malo, but still... Necro Druid and Wizard are all at the top because of completely UNRESISTABLE damage spells (at least for PvP purposes).

Good *defensive* PvP classes

Bard - Selos, best resist buffers, hymn overwrites most of the unresistable DOT lines, songs that overwrite other debuffs too, dispel every 3 seconds, largest selection of spell types for unpredictability.

Druid - SoW/SoC, best rooters (they hold easier), counteract poison/disease, bufs for all resists, regen stacks over some offensive spells, heals, hide skill - endure fire overwrites malo

Shaman - SoW/SoC for escape, counteract poison/abolish disease, bufs for all resists, regen stacks over some offensive spells (most of these nerfed though), STR bufs overwrite weaken line, heals.

Cleric - bufs for all resists, best HP/AC bufs, best + fastest heals (duh), invuln.

Necro - regen "heals" overwrite most unresistable DOTs, buf cold/disease/magic resist - shieldling overwrites malo, screaming terror to buy time, shadowstep, instant invis items

For Sullon Zek, there isn't much reward for PKing (just coin). However, there is a hefty penalty for getting PKed - you lose xp like death to a MOB. So defense is better to have IMO.

[EZ_Welok]

I think Druids are in for a big shock on the new server. That 'oh-I'll-just-kite-this-red-mob-around-the-zone-trick' isn't going to work out too well when some caster notices them and casts ROOT....

Necros are troublesome, but if you can sneak up on them while they are soloing. Necros tend to use cannibalize, dark pact, and other life-draining spells because they depend upon their pet to take care of their opposition. If you can sneak up on one while their pet is fighting and they are around half health, you can probably put the big hurt on them before they can mount an effective defense. Then all you have to do is deal with the mob... Assuming that it is even a mob that will aggro on you.

Plus, I don't see as many necros and druids as we are used to seeing on regular servers. Most people use their druids and necros to twink out their other characters. They just use these two classes because they see them as easiest to level up in the beginning.

[EZ_Ugli Itchybottom]

I think when the server goes live you'll see more Druids. Need 2 machines to PL with em anyway.

[Itzena]

Necro
Yes

Druid
Yes

Wizard
Best ambush class. If they're ready and you aren't, you are dead. They make a nice crunching noise when you hit them while they are spending 10 minutes or so medding their mana back...

Rogue
New server so less equipment around. Less equipment around = much less effective rogues. It's going to be a real test, dividing people who know how to play rogues well from those who can't

Warrior
Decent hp, MR boost. No method of immobilising enemies, so just run from them. No escape/stealth.

Magician
Until people start getting their MR up, sure

Monk
Like warriors, but wil less health and no MR boost.


BTW you missed all of the hybrids off and they are very nasty pvp classes:
Paladin - offence isn't that hot but they are damned difficult to kill. And flash of light is annoying.
Bard - insanely difficult to kill, has resist buffs, speed buffs, shadowstep, etc, etc.
ranger - snare, fast melee damage, damage shields, heals, track...when it works.
SK - Shadowstep, pet (for interrupting casters), <whatever>skin line of spells, darkness for snares, virtually unresitable lifetaps.

[EZ_Vividar DePericulo]

Dunno why people think wizards are so great.... Id fight a wiz over any other class