Guide to raising Poison Fast and Cheap!

[EZ_Furina Goldfinger]

So you wanna raise your skill in poison, but dont have thousands of plat to do it with, and also dont have the time to spend days farming greenies for a few skill points. Here is a small guide for you so you dont have to search through the poison pages to figure it out (I know, it hurts your widdle head when you think too long)

First off, throw a couple of skill points into Make and apply for @#%$ ang giggles. Not a lot, just enough to give you something to work with. 2 or 3 will suffice.

Now to get started
Go to WK and visit Gildin Toxfodder(n3000, n13400), bring about 1k if you really wanna grind for awhile.
Start with making Athropic Sap
Lined vial
Constrict suspension
2x Alocassia root

This will take you to about 98 skill, and once your bags are all full, just continuously apply them to your dagger, you dont actually have to attack and have the poison go off before you can apply a new one, just lay those poisons on thick. this becomes trivial for apply at 106skill.

Once you have become trivial with gildin, head on over Steamfont and talk to Ennixy Frennor (p1300 n830) (remember to sneak behind the vendors when buying any poison ingredient to get a better price, it adds up when buying mass quantities) Buy as many stacks of Kings thorn as you can carry or afford, and then head on over to dagnors cauldron.

Speak to Cronium Darkblade, he is at the top of the middle island at n230, n830. Yet sometimes he is moved around, not sure why, so if hes not on top of the island, he hasnt been killed, just moved, so check the base of the island.

Here you will make Calcium Rot
Sealed Vial
constrict suspension
2x Kings thorn

This will take you to 172 skill, and you if you apply all these poisons instead of selling them back to the vendor, your apply skill should be between 130-150

This last part can be done at any vendor that sells vials and suspensions, but cronium was my favorite for a few reasons. A) Unrest is right next door, wich is great for farming zombie skins for sealed vials(the most expensive part of poison making if you buy em)
B) Lots of poison ingredients drop here that can get you from 172 to 200 once you have become trivial with calcium rot
When farming in unrest for vial skins, also save
grave mold
darkbone marrow
aminata phalloide

Once you have hit 172 skill, if you have 28 skill points that you are willining to burn, I say do it now, the cost you will spend on the skill points isnt much more than the cost you will spend to make the poisons to get to 200, from 180+ you need to make about 30-40 poisons for each skill raise, sometimes more.

If you dont have those skill points to burn, make these 2 poisons form the items you got in unrest during all your farming there
Visceral rot:
sealed vial
larent suspension
Grave mold
Darkbone marrow
wood rose (from the vendor in Steamfont, same one as kings thorn)

Essence of Rallos:
sealed vial
Larent suspension
2x amanita phalloide
Pixie dust (of pixies at pixie tower in Lfay, watch out for the brownies)

If you have tons of money to burn, and never farmed unrest for vial skins, and other components, then its time to head to FV for the last guy you will be dealing with in your Poison training.
Brak daggermist in the rogue guild n3600 p2300
Spirit of Sloth:
Sealed vial
Ethereal suspension
2x Creeper Ivy

This will take you all the way to 250, but very slowly, I dont reccomend applying these either, the poisons sell for 12pp 9gold roughly, and takes away a lot of the financial pain to sell em back. If you want to max out apply, its better to go back to one of the cheaper poisons, say calcium rot, or something without a trivial limit, and max apply with that.
If you find something better to max apply with, plz post it, as I am still at 150skill and not sure of what cheaper poisons max it out or not.

Another option is going to HH, telling anson "I want to see stanos" and then training poison to 250 him. it will cost you a lil over 100pp for each training pt after 200 skill. This is slightly more expensive than actually doing the training. Especially when you get close to 250 and nearly make a profit off of spirit of the sloth. Question is really "how valuable is your time?"

I hope this helps some of you who have an interest in joining the ranks of the proud and few poison makers of Norrath


Furina Goldfinger
60 assassin
Dark Templars
Xegony Edited by: Furina Goldfinger at: 1/12/02 7:27:18 pm

[Ewan aka nach0king]

Wow, thanks a lot. Was trying to find a nice way to max out Jokah Cipangu Hibiki 51 Gnome Rogue - Bristlebane 9 Iksar Shadow Knight - Cazic-Thule Drunken Bandits - Bristlebane Sullon Zek "The Giant's Football" "Needs A Tissue"

[EZ_Hokksin]

At what skill would you recomend trying to make Spirit of Sloth. I am maxxed out with Calcium Rot. and would like to move on. SoS seems the easiest to raise skill, because I have fared over 500 skins in unrest and still dont have alot of darkbone marrow, or grave mold to do the stuff between SoS and CR. Any advice will be greatly appreciated


Hokksin
55th Blackguard
MT

Also Do any of you use intel or wis items while doing poisions. My wis is 86 and intel is 75, and I go pretty slow. Does those 2 help with poision, I know they do in other skills.

[EZ_Karne Ariethkuul COS]

Spirit of the Sloth is instant death for most people in PVP.

Just an FYI from your friendly neighboorhood player killer.

[EZ_Melchia The Mad]

How about for the non twinked lvl 20 rogue? What is good for us to start Posioning on PvP server? Was thinking Spine break? Seems cheap and easy to learn at first. Oh, btw, where is a good spot to find Asp Poison for the Retinal poison? Must have killed 50 asps in WC and not one drop.

[coyoteblack]

OMG thank you , Thank you Furnia. I wish I had this a few days ago I tried going to Fv with 130 skill in make and 1k came away broke 146 skill and 6 SoS.

CoyoteBlack
53rd drunken Backstab
Rallos Zek


" No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style" -- Vlad Taltos

[Morchaint]

Asp poison sacs really only drop off of the cistern asps in oasis and south ro.

I'm currently at 237 make poison skill and between farming unrest for skins to make my own vials and fine steel to hock to vendors, I don't think I've actually LOST any money. I've been selling the poison back to the vendor and making iron dimethyl. (That's from around 211 skill to 237 when I was actually paying attention to such things )

Morchaint Poisonblade
<Looking Glass>
Ayonae Ro

[Biral]

Thanks a lot, just a few days ago i was wondering how to get this skill up, since poison making was a reason i started a rogue (even though i never got around to it, i will now :))

[EZ_FireChicken]

I felt nostalgic so I applied an Injected1 snake poison and to my suprise I gained an apply skill in it I am now 183 apply

Slyek 47 Rogue

[EZ_Saulon Weck]

so what does raising apply do?

[EZ_HinterDir]

raising apply reduces the failures on apply, which is not THAT important because applying does not seem to follow the same low skill = high chance failure rule as tradeskills do.

[Trolo]

Thanks so much Furina, this guide is awesome, just what I was looking for.
51, ROGUE

Safehouse Ring Warden of The Rathe
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." - The Usual Suspects

[EZ_Raif Severence]

I will have to agree with the rest of the post: This guild helps a lot. I figured out the Atrophic Sap "trick" and I maxed with that, but I have slacked off a bit. Now I can continue.

Thanks


Raif Severence
48 Rogue
Aredhel of the Raven Fist
Torv

[EZ_Verticaly]

Just another thanks for a great path on gaining skill.. 60 assassin here and still only 100 skll =/



Verticaly Challenged (The Bearded Shemale)
60 Rogue
Tholuxe Paelle

[EZ_SpinalTapDRO]

GD i just spent 5 hours in lavastorm. why do i do these things to myself?





Spinal Tap
57 Blackguard
Mythic Legion
Druzzil Ro spinaltapDRO.mybravenet.com/NAVLOGO.jpg">

[Silvorn]

I'm working on getting from 215 to 250 make poison. Some tips I'll give.

Get a crude stein and use it when buying components. Easy to get item and 15 cha helps. Charisma adds up when you start buying 100 items.

Round up whatever int gear you can lay hands on. It makes a HUGE difference in my success rate to go from 75 int (normal) to 115 int which is what I was at the last time I worked on poison.

[EZ_SpinalTapDRO]

Again, DE rogues are superior !! spinaltapDRO.mybravenet.com/NAVLOGO.jpg">

[EZ_Ralluwen]

Heard tales that Stanos is a superior teacher of skills, any chance he can train over 200 make skill? I am at 180, gotta farm some cash to train up to 200 and still have 20 points after that...

If he can train past 200 i would rather work on doing like Zek Frost, Stiffining Ergot and Visceral Rot and then use the points, i might just do that to test and save the points for apply too, but seems apply is cheap enuf to raise. Don't ask what my apply is, cuz it is sad...

Rall***n Shadowstar
58 Blackguard, Officer of T`Kagi Ro
Fennin Ro Server

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

It's been in a number of other threads but surprisingly not this one.

Stanos can train you over 200 in make poison. He can train you all the way to 250 if your pockets are deep enough.

A lot of people are going this route once they get over 200, as it is undeniably easier, and quite likely cheaper, than making spirit of sloth.

[EZ_Amaara]

Sorry to be dense, but who is Stanos?

And, assuming that we could pay for the training, can we put more than 20 points in at a guildmaster? I thought that 20 was the cap?

Thanks! --Amaara Barmydjin
Enchantress of Quellious
Dutiful Servant of the Eternal Honor Legion
"Charmed, I'm sure"

[EZ_SlegeTZ]

Stanos is a trainer in highpass hold who is part of the ragebringer quest. you need to be 50 and have done the piuch quest to get him to spawn

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

Close Sledge...

Stanos is part of the Ragebringer quest. You can check the guide in the Library for info on getting him to spawn.

Do you need to be over 50? I don't know. I am so I can't say.

Do you need to do the pouch quest first? No. I never did it, I just walk up to Anson and say "I need to see Stanos" and he spawns.

As for the cap, the cap is 20 on tradeskills. Make poison is not a trade skill, it's a class skill. It can be trained to 200 at a regular trainer, and higher with Stanos.

Personally I got up to 218 this weekend and whipped up my first batch of mind melt. Nice poison there.

[Patofnaud]

Another trick, if you have a high make but a low apply and want to save a few plat...

Do the Snake Venom Quest with Toxidl in WFP...

For 2 Venom sacs, and 50gp you get a non-trivial Snake Venom Poison..

No making or buying vials.
No running to different vendors for components.

I now save any snake venom sacs my alts used to loot then give away or sell and pass them to my main when I am near Freeport.

[EZ_Bellorius]

Why not just make your own snake poison? It is much cheaper than 5pp to make it yourself.

[Patofnaud]

Is it if you buy the vials and suspensions? I'll have to look. I just found this much easier.

At 181 pottery and mid 130's in make, I'm ONLY making Sealed Vials, won't waste skin on Regulars so forget what they are worth.

[EZ_Anariak]

to spawn stanos in the secret smugglers camp simply say "i need to see stanos" to the named guy standing near his spot, sometimes a smuggler ph is in his spot so you have to wait a long while or clear the whole smuggler camp(not an easy task as some are as high as 50 and they all help eachother) "Keep your dagger sharp and your pockets full."Anariak Ebonhawk, 51st season rogue of Tunaremaxiumum backstab 369!maximum melee damage 79.

[EZ_Mrylok]

I think you need to have indif or better faction with Smugglers to spawn stanos, the only reason there is a pouch quest is to raise your faction.

[EZ_Mrylok]

Awsome guide by the way =D

[EZ_gwilo13]

well only one problem here i play on SZ and i'm a evil rogue and i can't go to any of these zone's it's just pure death i would be pk'd in one secound any other help you can give would be really use full thx

Fdyen

[EZ_Shakal34]

Very Helpful guide, thanks.

Just one question, hehe wish i knew about being able to train the make poison, any idea how much it is to train at both trainers & Stanos?

Thanks

**Edit** Just checked and saw that make & apply poison are NOT available to my rogue from trainer. Maybe this was done away with in a patch??? Havent checked Stanos yet. Shakal
45 Rogue of Weary Travellers.

Here's to the enemies of my friends,
Beware , for I am retribution. Edited by: Shakal34 at: 10/2/01 2:48:29 pm

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

Quote: Just one question, hehe wish i knew about being able to train the make poison, any idea how much it is to train at both trainers & Stanos?

The same as to train any other skill. The price goes up as you get higher and higher. Over 200 you're paying over 100 plat per increase. It's still cheaper and easier I think

Quote: **Edit** Just checked and saw that make & apply poison are NOT available to my rogue from trainer. Maybe this was done away with in a patch??? Havent checked Stanos yet.

From which trainer? I have a silver piece that says you looked in Frionia Vie. The trainer in FV has never offered those skills for some reason, about which we can only spectulate. Go to a regular trainer and you'll find them, as you will with Stanos and Anson.

[EZ_Shakal34]

Thx Kayliegh yep it was FV. I will head to my regular guys. I appreciate the response as without it I most likely wouldnt have checked any others! Shakal
45 Rogue of Weary Travellers.

Here's to the enemies of my friends,
Beware , for I am retribution.

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

You wouldn't be the first one to encounter and be confused by this oddity. Glad I could help. Edited by: KayleighDrake at: 10/3/01 12:47:51 pm

[EZ_Alajan]

Awesome thread!
I thank you again.
After much frustration with poisons I finally got my unmarked skill which was not even numbered, all the way to 215 in a little more than a weekend about 2 mos back

I have not really seen it move from there I must say, after countless attempts in FV. I will try Stanos tonight I think, seeing as how he was a gem I did not know about prior.
<sad too, seeing as how I have my epic already LOL>
Ala

[EZ_Shakal34]

Yep worked great at thur trainer, but dumbass me spent like 30 points the other day on other crap only had about 5 to use for poison. thx again to Furina for posting this helpful guide & Kayleigh for helping me. Shakal
45 Rogue of Weary Travellers.

Here's to the enemies of my friends,
Beware , for I am retribution.

[Dimsumm]

Just visited my old friend in Cauldron - no kings thorn :( Edited by: DimSumm at: 10/3/01 8:16:12 pm

[Lemac Dushae]

King's Thorn is bought in Steamfront Mountains, not DC. The vendor's name is Ennixy Frennor. He's a gnome just past the windmills in a valley. Loc is about (1380, -830).

-- Lemac Dushae, Redeemed member of the Court of Jesters
41st Season.. um.. er.. Scout
Fennin Ro

[Dimsumm]

Thanks Lemac - found her last nite - blew 500 p and only moved me make poison to 115. :( So time to hit the bank and dig a lil deeper I guess. I do dig the undead DD spell that poision makes from Kings Thorn. The bone chips I looted after testing were much smaller than normal... hehehe

[notwen]

So I finally got around to starting poison making again... when last I used it, I was at 23 skill. I had a slew of practice points, and some extra cash... ally to dwarves, so I went there. Went from 23-110 in make poison on about 250pp. Still have a decent mess of practice points left, but I'm hanging on to those for the 200+ skill raises I think. Granted that leaves my apply pretty low, but that's fine, I have more patience on that.

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

Once you get over 100 in apply, you really won't fail any more in applying poison so it's somewhat moot after that.

[EZ_Karak]

I wouldn't go the using skill points at the trainer route for 200+ make poison.

Reason: Spirit of Sloth buy-back price with Brak is greater than the component cost, raising 200-250 skill with him, while selling back the successes, is actually a net profit.

[Lemac Dushae]

Shh! Shadddap. -- Lemac Dushae, Redeemed member of the Court of Jesters
41st Season.. um.. er.. Scout
Fennin Ro

[Jessicaa]

That is assuming you get ZERO failures .. which I very much doubt you would .

Jessicaa Jessicaa (53 Rogue) Solusek Ro Retired
Jessykaa Woventransient (54 Rogue) Ayonae Ro
Jessikaa Cavedweler (46 Druid) Ayonae Ro

[Jessicaa]

Good Method is the one I used (kings thorn)

From 98 - 120 1200PP 83 Cha 82 INT

From 120 - 155 1000pp 88cha 93 INT

Not too bad really .. only took about 2 hours or so of HARD core clicking and a few trips back anf forth to dags/steam ... but still not for the light pocketed.

Jessicaa Jessicaa (53 Rogue) Solusek Ro Retired
Jessykaa Woventransient (54 Rogue) Ayonae Ro
Jessikaa Cavedweler (46 Druid) Ayonae Ro

[Silvorn]

One thing you may want to consider is a crude stein when buying lots of stuffand selling it back it is worth the cost for the cha. I could sell back Spirit of the sloth for around 14pp if I remember right. Also get some int gear, I got to 146 unbuffed int, it makes a HUGE difference.

[Jessicaa]

Sadly I have a crude stien and MOD which is 13cha? .. and sadly I have 33 points of INT gear on too.. one thing barbs are not so good for .. skills .

Jessicaa Jessicaa (53 Rogue) Solusek Ro Retired
Jessykaa Woventransient (54 Rogue) Ayonae Ro
Jessikaa Cavedweler (46 Druid) Ayonae Ro

[EZ_Seldom007]

gunna try this tonight

thanks Seldom
Innoruuks most dangerous Hobbit!

[notwen]

I realize that, BUT, I fully expect that to not be true by teh time I get around to it, hehe

[EZ_Tasslehouf]

I got poison from 46 to 250 in 4 days using this.
Cost me about 8k with no cha or int equipment/buffs.
I sold all spirit of the sloth's back to the vendor to take away some of the cost hit.
Very good guide

[Ronax]

I just wanted to add that I think there is a way to kill Anson Mcbale Ph without fighting/killing him. When I went to get my Ragebringer the Ph was up. I hit him and ran to guards via the drop off in front of the keep. They never came after a few minutes, so I zoned to Highpass keep and came back. While swimming back to the smuggler area, I saw 2 smugglers in the water that weren't there before. I believe these were the PH and another aggro that were trying to get to me, but they got stuck in the water. I went back to where Anson was supposed to be and there was nothing. About 10 or 15 minutes later Anson popped and I turned in my newbie note...err daggers and pouch and got my Ragebringer : )

[Lemac Dushae]

Not sure how this relates to cheap poison skilling, but it might be considered an exploit.

[Ronax]

It relates to other posts here about seeing Stanos and training with him. Whether it is an exploit or not, who is to say. I guess I would be better off not offering a helpfull hint. Hate to get banned for sharing information.

[Patofnaud]

While slightly off topic, not and exploit. All that happened was that the smuggler was STANDING on Anson's spawn point when his cycle time to spawn was up.

I wonder if you could keep doing this for 20 min till Anson spawns everytime?

Hmmmm..?

Now back on topic.

[EZ_Greyfin Twiceborn]

I had figured out the WK portion of this the other day. I had 200 plat on me and had never done any poison making besides putting some points into it, so I ran over and make potions... 200 plat got me about 4 improves...

Is it me, or is this really low?

I'm assuming it's b/c I'm a barbarian and have really low INT. I'm going to go get a crude stein and a bunch of INT gear and try again soon... Any thoughts on what else I can do?

thanks

Nifyerg, 38th Rogue RZ
Greyfin, 52nd Paladin, RZ

[DarthEnder]

Thank you so much for mentioning Stanos.

It's worth the 5k for me to go from 200-250.

[EZ_Vinven]

I beleive Toxdil only charges you 20gp for the poison, not 50. "Do naut fear the shadows, fear what lurks within them"
"A true friend stabs you in the front"

Vinven - Tier'Dal Rogue..one sexy smurf

[EZ_Fudly]

Does anyone know or have a good estimate on how much it would cost to raise poisoning 10-250 using this guide? Making all the vials that is?

[EZ_Furina Goldfinger]

With max purchase Cha (120 I believe) some Int or wis buffs, and home made vials, you could prolly get pretty close for around 6k. This is a rough guess though, could be more or slightly less, been awhile since I did my poison grind.

without making vials, word is it costs about 10k this way. Add like 3k more abouts if you plan on buying youre way to 250 at stanos instead of hanging in FV. Edited by: Furina Goldfinger at: 1/8/02 3:48:57 am

[EZ_lerilya queen of thieves]

Wow!! I'm glad I took the time to read this and thank you for the info. I have a protege who still has not begun his training in poison making and was at my wits end in trying to figure out how to get him up to snuff.



Yours in the service of devious means

Lerilya Queen of Thieves
Lvl 54 Garden Tool <I'll be your rake if you'll be my hoe>
Druzzil Ro

[EZ_Incognyto]

WOOT! Furi you rule! Thanks for the post

Now i just need to make the money to do it

Incognyto
52 Rake
Obsidian Ryders
Xegony
Edited by: Incognyto at: 1/27/02 4:56:43 pm

[EZ_VZ Vixie]

"Spirit of the Sloth is instant death for most people in PVP."

Is it just me or does spirit of sloth seem to last all of 2 seconds in pvp? I've switched back to spine break and have much better luck, anyone else notice this?

Vixie, 60th Assassin of Bristlebane
Inventor of the Tasty Poison (210)
Ancient Orden of Vallon Zek

[EZ_Gwentoria]

Thank you all for the info ... I'm going to have to gather some cash ... gathing components has left my bank with little space .... I'm just thinking of all the time that I have spent gathering all the components for little skill gain

Hopeful success to you all


Gwentoria 52 Rogue

[EZ_Ikss Ar]

yeah SoS seems to last about 2 seconds in pvp... although so does spinebreak for me hehe the good thing is it cancels sow anyways so even if it breaks pretty fast if you have sow on your going to be outrunning them anyways..


Dinir Tiime 55 rogue of VZ

[EZ_Neehygh]

Hey Spinal Tap, why be a DE Rogue when you can be a halfling rogue, level faster, and still look like a DE with a mask? hehe.

I suppose you could always get the Halfling Illusion mask and look like us, but I don't think furry feet are an aspiration of many DE's.

In any case, /em disagree's with Spinal's assessment of DE's roguish superiority.

**and no I didn't steal my last name from ya. :)

Neehygh Spinaltap
23rd Season Assassin-in-Training
Firona Vie

[EZ_Abhorrent Malevolence]

. Edited by: Abhorrent Malevolence at: 3/21/02 12:47:04 pm

[EZ_Abhorrent Malevolence]

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[EZ_tysson friatuk]

Does WIS effect the gains in this skill?

[EZ_JarkellRaven]

Does Make Poison follow the usual 200 pre 50 250 post 50 pattern, or does it max at level + 1 times 5 like other class skills?

Jarkell Ravensteel

[EZ_Slink Kardia]

I just hit 245 make poison at lvl 59, it won't let me go any higher. I'm assuming I can't hit 250 until I reach 60. (I know it won't go higher, because I tried training at stanos, and he wouldn't put me higher, despite having more then enough pracs and money). So it looks like there is some level limit to it.
____________
Slink Kardia
59 Blackguard
Inner Circle,
Xegony

[Azharan]

Thanks for this very informative guide!

[EZ_Skoobin]

just aas a side note...

i thought i heard somewhere that how high your dex is will also affect how well you successfully make the poisons and adds to skill raises... wis does this also on sucesses and int on the skill raises.
Skoobin Tudrubadoobin
Frayed Knot
Lvl 60 Assassin

[EZ_Furina Goldfinger]

Dex does seem to have some effect on skills such as make poison, fletching, and other melee oriented crafting skills. Wis and int as far as I know, severs primarily the same purpose in effecting your skill raises. I believe there is probably a cap for how high this will affect the raises. A lot like the cha cap for getting cheaper prices (120 cha)

[EZ_Qutsemnie]

farming skins /shudder


depends on your level i guess. but ive comfirmed i can farm vial pp faster in sol a at 58 then i can gather skins. By the vial it favors farm pp


skins dont do a total mitigation of the cost either.

someone says it takes 4k more to go to max skill if you buy vials (estimate). all of that is clearly vial cost so your saying bout a 1000 vials. THATS A 1000 SKINS! /shudder there can be no clearer demonstration that farming pp to buy vials is faster.

[EZ_Aaed]

Since we can sneak and be indiff:

Get your CHA to 104, with an indiff faction, you'll get the "best" prices. The subject is actually slightly more complicated, see a full explanation here: www.eqtraders.com/prices/about_pricing.htm

A small investment in some bracers and rings and a crude stein can pay for itself really really quickly.

Astab
51 Rake
E.Marr

[EZ_Elfus AB]

I farm my zombie skin in North Karana right next to the druid ring. If you look, you'll see a hill with a stone marker on it. This hill has a fair size camp of undeads that respawns in about 2 minutes. Varies between zombies, skeles and gouls. I agree that it is less time consuming to just buy the veils, far easier to just get plats to buy the things than it is to get pelts/skins to make the veils, but I am also trying to raise my pottery skill, so untill I trivial on veils, I'll just keep making em.

I just went with the route exlained here, but when I started making the sloth poison and seeing all the failures for combine and thinking the most expensive part is the veil and that everytime I fail, I retain the veil...........

Why not just start out with the hardest poison first? Buy maybe 20 veils and you'll raise to over a 100 skill, fails and all on probably just those 20 veils. You'll not make many poisons to practice apply, but from the looks of it, apply seems to work most of the time even at low skill. Get high intel gear without raising wisdom, the point is to fail on the combine, but to learn from the attempt.

[EZ_Uber]

Slink,

Ahh sounds like youve had exactly the same problem I just had. I too am 59, spent a couple of hours going from 230 to 245 with no major hassles, then spent 3 hours going absolutely nowhere. Sounds like this skill is now level based, as opposed to the usual thought that it is like other trade skills that are able to be trained to 250

I have yet to see if I can train further at Stanos

Regards
Uber Marxz

[EZ_Stryknine DShiv]

you max out at 200 at level 50. From then on, its 5 more points per level.

51- 205
52- 210
53- 215...etc

59- 245
60- 250.

[EZ_tass the great]

Skoobin, all trades use the higher of either int or wis. Dex effects how often your melee skills go up it has nothing to do with trades. I've also heard the rumor that str determines how often your smithing goes up. It's all crap. The only thing that is used in ANY trade is either int or wis, whichever is higher.

~Tasdamon, Prexus
Master Potter, Fletcher, Brewer, Smith, and soon to be Tailor and Make Poison. DISCLAIMER:
This is my opinion. As such, it should not be taken as fact even though I believe it to be so. Everyone is entitiled to thier own opinions and as much of a voice to them as is given me. Please do not judge my words too harshly. They are only my words and as such, are only as powerful as you make them.

[EZ_Bearberry]

Just want to say thanks for the great guide. I went from 0-146 on about 1.3k last night

[Kehvrynne]

Seems to me that there's a third recipe that can go in between those two. Ground Garlic and Red Helbore, both purchased in Neriak's Third Gate. I can't post specifics right now - Kiky's Poisonous Pages seems to have exceeded Tripod's bandwidth consumption restriction...

Edit: Nope. I'd misremembered the trivials. Nevermind Edited by: Kehvrynne at: 5/1/02 2:31:10 pm

[EZ_jayrod junteau]

there are buyable poison supplies from halas, only problem is the trip.. but hey.. still worth it. "Doubt my style? Just turn around and think happy thoughts while I test my blades "Jayrod Junteau 55 rogue of the rathe

[EZ_Chery Nobyl]

Just wanted to add my 2cp (stolen, of course) and say thanks for this guide... extremely helpful

-6 Chery Adlig, 60 Heirophant
Sixfinger Dizcount - 34 Rogue
Broke Lizzard - 43 Monk
Acting Leader of Furioso Germanicum
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{Hail, a_crack_addled_ferret_01}Edited by: Chery Nobyl at: 5/10/02 4:38:29 am

[EZ_Deeleeryous]

Regarding Apply Poison, I don't think there is a trivial level on apply poison anymore. I used Athropic Sap to get from mid-70s to 159. It is supposed to trivial at 106. /shrug Deeleeryous
Redeemed Assassin of The Nameless
Proud member of Valorguard

[storgue]

I have never seen a trivial list for APPLY skill, there was a post some time ago that snake poisons would get you all the way to 200 apply and that has certainly held true up to 170 apply.

I believe the trivial stats you are looking at are MAKE poison trivials. Storgue
Marshall of Recruitment
Senior Officer of Soul Cadre
Keeper of the Goat
57 Halfling Rogue

[EZ_Dunkelheit]

I just wanted to say... thx for this great guide....

Pls make it sticky, so that the info is never lost

[EZ_Blakwidow Mourninghawk]

*In the shadow you see a spark of light, a flame to a clove in the darkness* Thank you for great info...iM at 160 now ..and was trying to figure out the fastest way to skill up...*slips the paper with the info into her pouch and is gone as quickly as she came* *grins evilly

[EZ_HarloweRogue]

* Wanted to add: This is an excellent guide btw Furina, it's been a wonderful resource for me. The detailed information is also a great time saver. I have sent dozens of rogues looking for PM advice back to this thread and have updated eqtraders with a link to this post, and a fix for their broken link to the Safehouse Tome of Mastery (it's pointing to the old one, which unfortunately just gives them an error msg).

Currently I am at 225 (*grr, originally put in my new fletching stat 234) and have found that if you bring charisma gear with you, and make your own sealed vials - you CAN turn a profit making SoS and selling back to the vendor. With Cha gear on mine are selling back at 14pp 2g per poison.

I am making roughly 6pp per poison (that includes my costs for making sealed vials), by first wearing my best dex gear (207 dex) and then swapping to Charisma gear (128cha) to sell and buy more suspension and creeper ivy.

It's a chore collecting the skins and making 10 stacks of vials in a sitting, but I've made 3600-3700 going from 200 to 225. This is several days work (two evenings to be exact) so it's no get rich quick scheme, but if you can raise your poison level and get a bit of pp in the meantime, then it's well worth the time to put into it.

Re: Apply poison. I am sitting at 120 and for me, see no need to waste the poisons, low level or otherwise. I've failed only one time in my entire poison making using career, that includes high skill poisons such as Spirit of Sloth. If I start failing to a noticable degree, I'll make some cheap chit and work on it. Edited by: HarloweRogue at: 7/9/02 10:53:15 am

[EZ_farmatyr1]

Some skills are based off the highest of int, wis and dex, just as smithing is based off the highest of int, wis and str. Not sure if poison is one of those.

[Blusco]

Excellent guide, thank you!

I have an addendum: You can cheaply get to 182 or 183 making Dilapidating Ash (Sealed/Constrict/Soot Hemlock x 2).

Soot Hemlock is farmed, but (at least on Bristlebane) the druid merchant in Lavastorm usually has tons of them for about a plat each. Blusco Kickshaw-Stonefoot
Enraged and Redeemed Hobbit Assassin, Bristlebane
()pener of Locks, Retriever of Corpses
Getting into places I'm not wanted for 60 levels

Slapstik, Gnome Enchanter of Bristlebane
IDoNotTalkFastYouListenSlow!
Inch
Kobold Shadowblade of Percival
Tailoring to meet your needs--No order too small!

Kraagar, Dwarf Healer of Percival

[EZ_HarloweRogue]

That's true, I do see alot of it on the vendors. I snatch it up, just because I like to have a variety of poisons on me.

I probably am too much of a pack rat with this stuff, I need to keep one poison component mule in the bazaar. I was running out of bank space, I save everything and friends are always passing me random components as well.

[EZ_Sscaleclad Ssaberclaws]

Great guide!!! Very helpful.. now I just have to save up some cash..

What kind of faction are these vendors on?

Sscaleclad Ssaberclaws
Monk of the 48th Vogue

"Shake it Baby Shake it!"

[EZ_Zylc]

Stanos is my master! =P
And thank you SO much for this guide -- are the Alocassia Roots able to be purchased off the vendor? If not, where do you pick them up? I'm at 55 Make/Apply Poison right now -- I'd really like to get it to at least 150.

Thanks SO much!



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Edited by: Shadowcross at: 7/23/02 2:22:54 am

[EZ_Dreyoas]

Thanks so much furina, twas so helpful! [b] 53 Rake of Morell Thule [i]

[EZ_HarloweRogue]

/sighs with relief

Thankyou thankyou thankyou for this.

*Warning Self-indulgent comment ahead*
Made 60, then pumped out a batch of SoS and made Grandmaster in Poison Making yesterday!

Your guide really made it a cake walk for me and one I send every random tell I get from other rogues aspiring to dabble in PM'g to after I give them the basics.

Yes, I am one of the goobs that is going to put points in AA Poison Mastery too. I like the shorter apply time and no fail apply aspects. Though I honestly haven't failed an apply since it reached 100 in that skill.

Harlowe ~*
Level 60 Assassin/Grandmaster
(250) Poison Making
(234) Fletching
(200) Pottery Edited by: HarloweRogue at: 8/7/02 7:13:35 am

[EZ_Sarrun]

OMG I love you! Just what I been lookin for!! :-D - Sarrun
- 56 Hobbit Blackguard
- Illusion of Apathy

[EZ_Saffenn Stormrune]

Bump.. Was on page 2, this is a great guide!

[EZ_HarloweRogue]

This really should get stickied to the top. This guide has stood the test of time.

[EZ_Restyn]

Yup. It's a good guide, if you have the money.

Might want to add that there are level limits on the types of poisons you can apply, and that Make Poison is capped by your level.

Otherwise, pretty good.

[EZ_Moonspider]

I can say i've put far more than 20points into make poison so far, and my skill is only around 115. now that i've read this i may lay off points until i can't do it the real way anymore, since it sounds very handy come post 200 skill.
i was really curious if anyof you that have played over a year remember a site...it was at
www.members.home.net/humblebee/eq/poison
it had everything, and while i still have recipes i've lost the list of where to buy everything.wondered if it moved or was just abandoned> anyone know???
P.S. i think i may have put 10 points into apply poison, lol..i hardly fail though, i don't think apply is all that important as u will only fail once in awhile.

[EZ_Rune the Borrower]

Moon, try the top 3 links in the stickied Tome of Mastery.

Quip's pages are very printer friendly. All your vendors and what drops the farmables are listed on one of those 3 pages, I think the reagent's one. Runehammer Trollsbane
Assassin of Cazik-Thule

The Oldest Rogue on Cazik-Thule

"I yam what I yam."
Popeye

[EZ_Trophimuss]

This is one of the few things that gets instantly saved to my hard drive for future reference. Thanks!

[EZ_Swipey]

I'm at 200 make, 200 apply, and have nearly 200 in pottery, and have never bought a sealed vial, nor farmed a single skin for vial making.

I've managed to get all the skins I've ever needed for a few gp each off vendors. Now that pretty much all skins stack, and vendors show 80 slots of inventory, its much less work to find skins that way. Black Wolf and Puma skins are not used in tailoring/leather padding, so they make dandy vial skins.

I think I've got 20 or 30 stacks backed up on my poison mule again, and I still have 7 stacks of vials from my last big pottery run yet to be used.

[EZ_Rulek]

I was wondering, I am at 176 poison making but only 96 apply poison, I can not think of a time that apply poison has failed for me since before skill level 10 and it seems that every second or third application I raise a skill point.

Is this unusual or the norm? I mean, should I be failing at applying poison at this lvl?

Shaker

[EZ_Nosredna Ssor]

Bump Live long and Backstab!

Nosredna Ssor
Knights of Loyalty

[ShadowCross]

Don't bump topics please.

[EZ_Arathalas]

Dex vs int...

With 150 int I raised 5 points out of 60 combines on Spirit of Sloth, 171-176.

With 255 dex I raised 9 points out of 60 combines on Spirit of Sloth, 176-185.

A friend did a similar thing with smithing. He maxxed out his str and tossed his int gear and his skill increases nearly doubled.

VI has stated that tradeskills take the highest stat out of int or your primary tradeskill stat and applies it to your skill increase.

So, since it is much easier for a rogue to max dex, save your plat on int gear.

Oh, and for those who don't have deep pockets. Frosty daturas off of yetis in Dreadlands. Between two caves in 15 minutes, I got 20 frosty daturas, Cranial Cryofreeze btw, which will take you to 221 or so. Since it also uses Larent Suspension, it is a bit cheeper.

[EZ_Dave Th]

Thanks for the guide it got me from L20 to grand master in 4 eye bleeding days.

I would ammend the original write up though becausse making Sloth posion is much cheeper than buying skills. At 172 skill I wen to see how much it would cost for a level up, 47pp; then I compared it to making Sloth 11.3 to make (if sucessful) and 5.0pp if I failed (With all my chr gear on). Then I could sell the posion for 14.2pp. Even with a 75% failure rate skill points were only costing me 27pp each which is much cheeper than the trainer. By the time I hit 210 I was breaking even on cost per point. I had 3 saved AA points so I trained Posion mastery L1 at 215 skill and then my fails dropped to the point I was making a good chunk of cash training these skills.

I trained posion mastery not for the 10% skill increase, but for the no fail apply. I did not want to waste my time hunting greens just to make posions to train this skill (and it would have cost much more than making posions). So now I will always apply posion even if my skill sucks.

for U PVPers (like me)

i made an lvl 1 Ranger on GFs Account whitch is bound in Nexus,
now i only get him money to buy stuff and TL him with my Wiz...

so no risk to loose the money

to port back to Nexus... hit the Merch P

Veteran Sililea


Blackguard of the 59 season


Seekers of Divinity

[EZ_Silenci0]

Is this the fastest way to get posion up? If anyone knows a faster way plz post it even if it is costly.

-thanks

[EZ_MeschifTheRogue]

I spawned stanos and how do I train with him.. I have no train points left. Is there something I say to him? please help <b><center>Meschif Meyker</center></b>
<center>60 Assassin of Bertoxxulous</center>
<italic><center>"for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful" - Law of Karma</center></italic>
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[EZ_Kagetan Leonhart]

201 Make Poison in about six hours, using Furina's method.

Great guide.

[EZ_AlbanD]

I may have mised it, but where is Anson or Stanos soawned at, in the bandit camp? Jaison Blackhawk
34 Rogue Scout of Tunare

Alban DeSantis
52 Wandering Saint of Tunare
Legacy of Chaos

"We have a Blackhawk down, we have a Blackhawk down."

[EZ_Malark]

FYI. The rogue trainers in the Plane of Knowledge will train your Making Poison skill too. You do not need to seek out Stanos anymore if you have the latest expansion.

It is still cheaper to spend the time making sloth's to skill up. I spent a few hours with a couple of other rogues maxing out my poison skill at the Rogue vendors in the Plane of Knowledge. It went by fast having others around doing the same thing.

-Malark

[EZ_MeschifTheRogue]

n/m =P <b><center>Meschif Meyker</center></b>
<center>60 Assassin of Bertoxxulous</center>
<italic><center>"for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful" - Law of Karma</center></italic>
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[EZ_Elimelech Rogue]

NM =)
Marauder Elimelech RtehsuqEdited by: Elimelech Rogue at: 10/28/02 9:39:22 pm

[EZ_Ishwar2]

Some comments on the guide.

Aplying takes time, and does not seem to be required with the new poisons. I definatly plan to sell everything back i make, mainly to save time.

Tocfodder also sells lactera for contact2 poison. Nice poison to actually use for the free dam, and trivs at 108.

I would probably reccoment taking suspension and vials to steamfont rather than draggin kings thorn to the vial merchant. The vials recycle on fail, so less draggin in total.

Not sure if there is a poison vial merchant in PoK, but if not the closest merchant to steamfont would be porting to FP or FV. Ishwar - level 55 Barbarian Rogue - Wind of Tranquility - AB server

[EZ_Malark]

There is a poison vial vendor in POK that sells all three vials. Right next to him is another vendor that sells all the types of suspensions.

-Malark

[EZ_Maloscat]

The third poison vendor in PoK had King's Thorn in stock when I made my first swing through there on opening day.

Now, he doesn't - either bugged or another rogue unloaded extra onto him.

- Malo
Bare-arsed Barbarian Assassin
Leader, Raven
Fennin Ro Ring Warden

[EZ_Padisharr]

BTW one of the rogue vendors in PoK also has the creeper ivys, sealed vials and ethereal suspension needed for Spirit of Sloth. No reason to run from FV portal to FV and back.

Name of Vendor: Loran Thu'Leth
Loc: -112, 1407, The large building against west wall if I remember it correctly

[EZ_Cokoanutt Munkey]

Approximately what skill do you need to have in order to stop losing money on spirit of sloth combines/sell backs =)

[storgue]

That is a good question and prompts an overdue reply on this topic. Thanks to my many good friends on torv I have quite the poison ingredients larder, so a month or two ago when the news came out about the GM poison trophy, I knew it was time to finally make my move.

I used the new casserole recipe to up my pottery close to 200 then cranked out over 400 vials from all the ingredients I had stashed on mules.

I have a great collection of dex and intell gear and friends who kept me well supplied with the chanter KEI buff as well as a couple shaman dex buffs. I went for max dex (255) and kept my intell from 176 to 216. Also plenty of charisma gear so I could quickly go to 121 charisma when buying or selling. I also have allied faction in Thurg and amiable in FV.

I can't give you an exact number, but somewhere between 208 and 218 skill on SoS combines/sells my money started moving back upward again and the total run from 182 to 250 (including pottery costs for casserole dishes and the GM trophy vial which I nailed on the first attempt) was within 1.5 K of breaking even for the whole venture.

So thanks for all the poison making tips in this topic, they certainly helped a ton, now just do it ! You'll be glad you did.





Storgue<BR>
Senior Officer of Soul Cadre<BR>
Keeper of the Goat<BR>
60 Halfling Assassin<BR>
Grandmaster of Poisons with the Vial to Prove it ! (thanks Mandy)

raised skill from 140 to 250 in PoK with making spirit,
had 30 points left with i used.
ill hit 250 after:

4,5 hours
4000 pp (1500 for the Trainer)
3 FoS
3 RL Beers
1 broken hand

got the GMAV after 2 fails... another 12k gone
hard to say i never failed on making the artisan seal
(did 7 of them), so now i see several hours in bazaaring comming )
Veteran Sililea


Assasin of the 60 season


Seekers of Divinity

[redthegreat]

If you are looking for a great way to raise their CHA, look into Opal Encrusted Steins. They are made through pottery and they have +25 CHA a piece. Some of you folks can prolly make em on your own with your pottery skill or just buy them in Bazaar, they are fairly cheap.

Garumn
Zeb Rogue

[EZ_oO Slithe Oo]

Just in case you don't want to bother with Stanos:

Today, I trained to 250 Make Poison at Assassin Daran in Plane of Knowledge. He's on the 2nd floor of the 2-story building near the nexus portal.

Feel free to check it out.

[notwen]

Did Sloth get nerfed when I wasn't looking? I had left my poison making at 224 for a long time, just hadn't had time to work on it. At max Cha sell backs of Spirit of sloth were maxing out at around 11pp while it was costing almost 15pp to make.

2 Skill increases ended up costing me 300 pp each in losses. :/

EDIT: Apparently it's the vendor in FV that is the problem. Went to the vendors in PoK and have no problem with getting the normal results. Edited by: notwen at: 11/23/02 10:09:51 am

[EZ_Tatonka98]

well, last Tuesday my poisoning was at 117... last night hit 250 with the guide and never used any training points... actually found it was cheaper not to. Sure I have carpel tunnel, need Paxel now for all the combines... but atleast its not near as bad as tailoring is, heh... now just need to beat the snot out of the person at Verant that thinks its fun to make quests with items we destroyed over 2 years ago... /sigh LFG for Fear / Hate group!!!!

[EasyMeat]

Thanks for the advice folks, 250 poison now and got all but the pottery and final combine on GMAV done

[EZ_Razia Todeskuss]

Do they sell the items you need for SoS in PoK? I am not sure if I am kos in FV (because of killing on PoG). I haven't been there for a long time.

[EZ_KamikaziiCT]

For your questions about the apply poison skill. It is in the game for the rogues that don't make their own poison. Apply Skill = Make Skill. If your Make is at 250 than so is your apply, only behind the curtains. If you don't make poisons than you must practice applying which then results in actual failures. Hope that clears up a lot of questions.

[EZ_Bigmeeno]

FV is on its own faction. I've killed in PoG numerous times, and I am ally in FV.
Siins Halfling Deceiver
Bigmeeno Barbarian Oracle
Proud member of Oryx on Lanys T`Vyl

[storgue]

First I have heard that apply skill went up as your make skill did. It certainly doesn't show that on my skill charts. I always believed they were independent. Storgue<BR>
Senior Officer of Soul Cadre<BR>
Keeper of the Goat<BR>
60 Halfling Assassin<BR>
Grandmaster of Poisons with the Vial to Prove it ! (thanks Mandy)

[EZ_Rune the Borrower]

They are seperate skills. My apply skill is about 80 points below my Make skill. Runehammer Trollsbane
Assassin of Cazik-Thule

The Oldest Rogue on Cazik-Thule

"I yam what I yam."
Popeye

[EZ_Awful the Rogue]

I think what he was saying is that there are skill checks on both make and apply poison when you attempt an apply. If you pass either of the checks you succeed, thus if you have high make poison then you don't really need high apply poison.

I've never heard anything like this before, I'm just interpereting what I believe he meant.

[storgue]

Same here Rune. And I'll probably work on skilling up apply to 200 which is max, just for giggles. Storgue<BR>
Senior Officer of Soul Cadre<BR>
Keeper of the Goat<BR>
60 Halfling Assassin<BR>
Grandmaster of Poisons with the Vial to Prove it ! (thanks Mandy)

[Lemac Dushae]

Apply is much different from Make. Higher Apply also affects how long it takes you to apply old school poisons as well as the chance to apply them in the first place.

Apply has no affect on PoP poisons.

Apply raises as it's own skill totally separate from Make.

[EZ_Furrious BluhdKlaw]

I just wanted to add my name to the long list of people who bow at your feet for making this thread.

It took me a few hours and a couple of thousand borrowed plat (thanks guildies), but I got MP to 180; and that was starting from scratch.

I'm currently searching this board to find out if there's been a list created to reflect the stupid nerf of Player Level vs Applying Poison. I also got the "Your Level Isn't High Enough To Apply This Poison" message. Kinda sucks since I wanted to solo with Sloth in DSP, but since I'm 35 I guess it's the Group Grind for me.

[EZ_Bigmeeno]

Followed what this guide said to do last weekend, and in about 4 hours time, I was at 190 skill.

Then I started watching the costs vs the skill-ups, and saw that it was costing me more than it would cost to just go to the trainer. So I went to the trainer in PoK, and blew about 6k, taking me all the way up to 250 skill.

I then grabbed a couple sealed vials, and ran to the bazaar, bought the only Artisan's Seal that was up for sale, and on the first try, I got my Grandmaster Assassins Vial.

Thanks for this guide. It saved me countless hours.

Two new things due to PoP.. First, use the Ak`Anon portal in PoK, which drops you into Steamfont, making it easy to get the Kings Thorn. Second, use the book in Steamfont (where you zoned in) to zone back into PoK after buying your Kings Thorn, and you can get the rest of the components in the rogues guild. No need to go to Dagnors Cauldron, and its faster, not to mention nice and close to the bank if you need more plat.
Siins Halfling Deceiver
Bigmeeno Barbarian Oracle
Proud member of Oryx on Lanys T`Vyl

[storgue]

I added this question on another topic, but it is probably better here.

If you spend AA points on the apply poision ability can you still get skill dings in apply poison ? Can you still train at a rogue guild if your apply is less than 200 ? Storgue<BR>
Senior Officer of Soul Cadre<BR>
Keeper of the Goat<BR>
60 Halfling Assassin<BR>
Grandmaster of Poisons with the Vial to Prove it ! (thanks Mandy)

[EZ_Assassin Thraxus]

Razia,
Quote:Do they sell the items you need for SoS in PoK?

The poison vendors in POK sell all the items you need to make SoS.


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[EZ_Eyldi]

I am so, so glad I did a search on the web before starting make poison. I'm up to 160 skill now (I would be more, I burned almost 20 stacks of Kings Thorn before I remembered - level based! Note to self, never tradeskill 4 hours in a row after a long day at work EVER AGAIN). For the first session, I sat in PoK and made the poison. Then I realized that I had better faction (can't quite manage to get the cha up high enough to get best prices with sneak, and I'd rather spend the cash on something else and do a bit more running) with Toxdil if I used my DE mask, so - well, Freeport and Ak'Anon stones are right next to each other. I went back and forth all day doing that, and boom, I'm at 160. Of course, that just gives me another incentive to level faster - more poison skill-ups! MORE! I've passed this on to all the rogues I know. Kick-ass guide. Thanks.

[EZ_Ajian Corpsedragger]

Very helpfull guide, many thanks.
1 hour, 2 k = 163 poison making
Dex buff seemed to help out a lot, gonna get a chanter to be my boon bitch and go for 250 this weekend. If this guide was revamped a bit to include PoK vendors, it should be stickied to the top of this bored IMO. Thanks again folks.

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Edited by: Shadowcross at: 1/29/03 1:53:53 am

[Loxmyf]

This is the best skill guide I've seen for poisons. Thank you

As an aside. In case there are people wondering how to get that pottery skill up cheaply.

Make small bowls to skill 102 (Costs about 3PP for 3 stacks of ingredients)
- Small bowl sketch
- Small block of clay
- Water flask

Don't fire them, and destroy any you make as the sell back price is copper.

Move on to medium bowls to 122 (About 4PP for 3 stacks of ingredients)
- Medium bowl sketch
- Block of clay
- Water flask

Again, just destroy them.

122 just happens to be the trivial level of Thurdagin Gate Potions too.

From there move on to your poison vials
Lined Poison vial (147)
Poison vial (14
Sealed Poison Vial (18

Good hunting.

[EZ_furrytails]

Well i am a new vah shir rogue on the karana server. im am level 22 and my name is furrytailss softpaw. i am COMPLETLY broke. i need to go somewhere within my level to get some money. do you guys have any idea

[EZ_guili99]

I just would love making poison in EQ.
But I barely can gather enough plats for everyday life, and I don't see myself spending several Ks plat and zillion hours farming/doing pottery.
Not being a hardcore player prevents this waste of time & plats... too bad, poison would be fun...


Blondin

[EZ_jemc2000]

It seems that if you have more time than money, you can farm much of the ingredients. Is this really true?

Faoie of Bristlebane
www.magelo.com/eq_view_pr...num=578940

[storgue]

well you can certainly work your way up a lot of the way by farming. You'll need to farm skins and do the vial work through pottery. You save a ton of PP on vials that way, but you do trade time for the savings. The same goes for many of the other components in poison making, though you can never farm the suspensions. Unrest is always good for zombie skins. Lavastorm can be decent components at low skill and Sol A and B both have poison components it might be worth while to stockpile and save for later.

For me, I was happy enough with the savings from making my own vials to use the vendors mentioned here to skill up. You can have one hand wash the other by having animal poisons ready for work in sol B and OT and their are components you can gather there for further skill ups.

Hope that helps
Storgue<BR>
Senior Officer of Soul Cadre<BR>
Keeper of the Goat<BR>
60 Halfling Assassin<BR>
Grandmaster of Poisons with the Vial to Prove it ! (thanks Mandy)

[EZ_SwiftBlade]

Well Son of a Bitch! Thanks this Kicks Ass

[EZ_Windsor of Veeshan]

They have added a new(?) recipe for advancing pottery to 199 fairly cheap. You can make a Casserole Dish. The sketch is sold only in Jaggedpine Forrest but the vendor is at the zone in area from Surefall. There is one downfall to this, you have to make ceramic lining (ceramic lining scetch, small block, water flask...fired with a Quality sheet. low trivial) and they do NOT stack. There is a lot of running around buying water and blocks, but it's less time consuming than farming zombi skins.

Casserole Dish= 1 Large block, 1 casserole dish scetch, 1 flask of water, 1 ceramic lining. Fired with a HQ sheet

Windsor Edited by: Windsor of Veeshan at: 2/20/03 11:45:27 pm

[EZ_guili99]

Thanks for that guide, it helped a lot!
3 issues:
- Sealed vials can be found pretty cheap in bazaar (found some at 1p even =) - gains time & possibly money over pottery

- After 150 skill, the raising was soooo sloooow that I decided to start the training using my extra points (I had kept 88 ) . Price is around 39p a one point raise, but that sure was cheaper than buying hundreds of components and vial-making... imo, of course).

- Apply poison didn't reach more than 90 when my Make poison skill came at 150... goes pretty slow too.


Blondin, 51 rogue of the Sjendarim.
er… is that my kitchen-knife in your back?Edited by: guili99 at: 3/10/03 5:16:53 am

[EZ_GnomeBoy]

Frogs in plane of valor are dropping, Vial of venemous liquid. What poison is that for.. the recipe?. if anyone knows thansk Marauder Phinny
65th Deceiver

[EZ_xakia420]

This poison guide rocks. Followed the instructions till the sos part and just made that in PoK till around 190...went to trainer and spent around 5500pp and maxed it out.

Now to find the reagents for the new poisons...

[EZ_Sindisruptor]

Ok,
I'm a lvl 59 rogue, and my skill is at 163. I have really been wasting time in SolB. This guide will save me lots of time and money. The components in SolB arent that easy to get. They dont drop as often as you would think, and being a rogue. After killing about 20 kobolds I am constantly running around begging for a regen. You can buy the supplies from the merchant at the Rings in Lava but She'll rip you off lol. Question, as a Barb rogue I have trouble getting into the rogue's guild in FV (too big I guess). Can you use DE/IKS illusion in there without getting attacked by the guards. I was thinking i could sneak/hide in under DE/IKS illusion, but upon trying to purchase an item won't They try to kill me ?

SinMan

[Lemac Dushae]

They will attack you if you use one of those illusions. Either get an enchanter to illusion you, or even easier, use F9 to pan the view around and target that way. You can vend through the window. -- Lemac Dushae
Assassin for the Pink Attack Bunnies
Fennin Ro

[EZ_cointrick]

hold on can someone telll me if i have never done make poison before which i haven't i am currently lvl 55 and have a large sum of money to my name, will 20k get me to 250 ? can you max it in a day ?
shall i do it ? lol
please post your views.

[EZ_Migg Ette]

No you could not get to 250 at lvl 55 it is lvl limited at lvl 55 you could only get to 225 in PM

Other than that not sure if you could do it in 20k Maybe if you had the free practices you could. otherwise not sure.

In 1 day? Doubt it if you are combining if you can do it in a day and still be sane. But if you used a trainer ya easily LOL


Hope that helps
Migg Ette



Daggers dont kill people, I do

[EZ_cointrick]

yeah is there a way to work how much it costs at a trainer ?

[EZ_Migg Ette]

Max out your cha as much as you can because that affects how much you are charged per training when you start to have to pay for it. As per other posts, after skill 200 if you want to train at trainer you must visit Stanos, no idea on cost for that because I am only lvl 47 myself. Good luck

Migg Ette

[EZ_guili99]

Quote:Max out your cha as much as you can because that affects how much you are charged per training when you start to have to pay for it.
Quite right! The per point price at 150 skill was 75p at CHA 52... and 50p at CHA 152! Definitely get as much CHA as you can when you come to raise the skill by your trainer!

Quote:after skill 200 skill if you want to train at trainer you must visit Stanos, no idea on cost for that because I am only lvl 47 myself.
Wrong. Pop HLF trainer trained me over 200. I'm sure he can train all the way to 250. Cost is from 50p at 150 to about 90p at 200+ with 152 CHA.


Blondin, 52 Rogue of the Sjendarim (Tunare)

[EZ_cointrick]

ok i lost all my data that i had on my skill training. But i'll try to recall most of it. (dam LD's)

Ok i had a skill of 22 to start with, i took 7k from the bank in high keep and walked to stanos. but i trianed to 200 with the other lady first then called stanos.

i got to 225 with 2500pp (not quite accurate) left from my 7k.
As i can't gain any more kill till i level i'll have to wait.

i did this with a cha skill of 164 (unbuffed all items).

i did it in about 1 min which is so dam cool, but as you can see its not cheap and i now have a low apply skill.

These are some of the draw backs in doing it that way but i feel it is worth it if your a light player like me, i am also scared to get RSI LOL.

i'll try and get some possitive numbers but i lost them as i LD on the way to High keep arrrg

good day to you all

[EZ_Migg Ette]

Why worry about apply ? at that lvl you are most likly not to even use old world poisons anyways.. the new pop and loy poisons do not use an apply skill they are like potions that add a buff icon and a random proc. so no apply skill is needed. Nice about that at least.


Oh and thanks about the Info about the trainer in PoK .. didnt know about that. not that I need to worry about it for any time soon hehe.


Migg Ette

[EZ_bippinfv]

To confirm, DE trainer in PoK got me to 250. Got lazy after making SoS until 235
Cost was up to 110pp or so, for the last few points. Not sure what cha I had at the time, didn't see that until now

[SincroFashad]

Thanks for the guide. I'd been on strike from poison making for a long long time, but finally decided to get off my duff and complete my training so I could get my GMA and have a decent chance at some PoP poisons.

Started at skill 128. 4 hours and a lot of pp later, I was at 172. 4 more hours and about 3k plat later, I was at 185 from making SoS. 5 minutes and 7200 plat later I was at 250 from the trainer in PoK.

I've even got 50 training points left. -Sinc

When I become the Evil Overlord, one of my advisors will be an average 5 year old child. Any flaws he can detect in my mad schemes will be corrected immediately.

[EZ_cointrick]

Nice one

yup i am currently saving up a stack of cash for that final bast at the end, need to get levels first.

how much CHA did you have when doing this ?

[EZ_cointrick]

took me 3k to finish off my poison making skill at lvl 60 the cap is 250, from 225 to 250 with 164 cha i spend 3k with about 65pp worth of change :0 sorted

[EZ_Darkedge Thornblade]

Just a log.

From 196-200 making Spirit of Sloth took 452 combines.
From 201-225 making Spirit of Sloth took 132 combines.

Go figure =P

[EZ_tass the great]

its been said that the closer you get to the trivial of an item, the greater your chances of getting a skill up. i havnt seen this proven or disproven. check here: www.eqtraders.com

[EZ_Avitaway Fastfingers]

Many thx for the guide, great work Avitaway Fastfingers, 65 Deciever, 20AA Blacksmithing (148) Poison Making (137) Fletching (119) Tinkering (104) PH4T L3WTZ
Cryogenic Freezers, 65 Archon, 30AA
Guild Leader, Ancient Flame, Venril Sathir

[EZ_Anniie Heartpiercer]

this is an awsome guide. I was in Thurgaden the other day and just by chance checked the rogue trainer there. He will train make poisen like Stanos. Sorry if this has already been posted, couldnt find any mention of it so.....

Anniie Heartpiercer, watching your back

[EZ_Qutsemnie]

not sure this was stickied too wasnt it?
Qutse
Fallen Eagles
Look At Me!

[EZ_Cyrillia]

Just to confirm:

Is the skill cap for Make Poison and Apply Poison (5*level)+5? ie, Can I get to 200 Make and Apply at level 40? (I know I can only start getting 200+ after lvl 50).

Thanks,
Cyr. Sylvea Dawnfyre - 55th Wood Elven DruidessCyrillia Mystweaver - 53rd High Elven ClericCryza Zyn'Talyn - 40th Dark Elven Rogue---Tradeskills---Cyrillia --- SylveaOfficer of Wyrd Angles on Antonius BayleMessage Boards

[EZ_Shadowgleam]

I just want to add in a tidbit of information that lots of thieves overlook when trying to raise their poison skill. Yeh get items that raise int or wis that helps when working on poisons but dont forget that just cuz your a thief that the KEI and or C3 woudlnt help us rogues either. It jacks up int/wis like +15 or so I never actually checked the exact amount but it really helps me when working on my poison skill.

~Shadowgleam~

[EZ_DjTweeker]

I have my Artisan Seal and Sealed Poison Vial and my apply poison skill is at 197. Would I fail if I were to try to combine them and if I would fail , what would be the absolute min apply for me to combine them to make my GM Assassin's Vial...any help would be greatly appreciated please...thanks Akitara<Br>Dark Elf Rogue of the 56Th Season

[EZ_DjTweeker]

Forgot to say i am a LVL 63 Rogue...if that helps at all... Akitara<Br>Dark Elf Rogue of the 56Th Season

[EZ_Talannon]

Humm apply poison is not important here. The skill that is check is make poison not apply poison. At 250 skill in make poison I made mine on the 4th attempt. So be ready to waste some cash into that. But if your lucky you will get it at first try but I hope you max make poison before trying this.

[EZ_DjTweeker]

Thats correct..I didnt mean apply poison, I ment make poison, my fault. ok so I wil have to bring it up then..I'm now at skill lvl 200 in Make poiosn..

[EZ_BarliTruebeard]

post removed - incorrect info Edited by: BarliTruebeard at: 8/21/03 7:54 am

[EZ_Bashun]

If you willing to farm and make money, just head to Sol a and kill goblins. they drop fine steel often, and also loot the Soot hemlock, and the asmag weed.

[EZ_Chromic2]

sorry but were in the heoo is the guy in steamfont mountains spent a hr there asn still sant find him i am real bad with locks is he near some thing or just in the middle of no where Chromic
The Rogue
Asatru

[EZ_Shadowgleam]

You know what I found to be the best solution and most convenient? I just worked on getting make poison to about 170ish and then I just went to the guild master and trained all the way to 250. You save countless hours and frustration by doing it that way and not farming for days on end and by straight training it via npc guild master it only costs 5k or so...I forget how much because it has been awhile but what the hell are the training points that we rack up for except to get us through big road blocks? hehe

Shadowgleam
Assassin of Brell

[EZ_Tamena]

thanks guys
finally gonna start my roglet on her merry way to poison making!

[EZ_Inflict Wounds]

Raised skill in PoK at rogue GM from 179 to 250 for just over 6k plats. have 91cha.

Inflict Wounds
65 Deceiver

[EZ_EppiesGurl]

Can someone please recommend a fast way to raise "Apply Poison" skill? Silly me ran all the way out to WK and ran out of pp working on my "Make Poison" skill ups and I had to sell the potions back instead of applying them. Did not want to run all the way back to a bank to get more pp. In any event, is there a fast AND cheap way to raise my Apply skill?

Edit: By the way...Awesome thread and resource - Thanks for the hard work all!
EPPIE'S GEAREdited by: EppiesGurl at: 11/18/03 4:52 am

[EZ_Wween]

Has any one tried to train since the last patch in umm last week or so?? I tried today and oit would not let me at Stanos or at pok trainers, either one.

[EZ_TafferMT]

I trained 220 - 225 in PoK a few nights ago, no problem.

Taffer of Morell-Thule

[LordOfChains]

I think a couple things have changed regarding the high level poison training.

For some reason, with indiff and 113 charisma, I can only sell SoS back for 9pp 5gp (approx)

Also, all the vials, no matter which kind, cost the same... (they supposed to do that?)

Went from 65 - 201 poisoncraft tonight, thanks to this guide; intend to smack into 250 tomorrow.

Serenitas Diamondeye
65 Rogue Tired of Bein' Picked On Cuz His Make Poison Skill Suxx0rz 'Cuz I'm Psycho Like That...

[EZ_Catweazel The Rogue]

Just thought I would share the path I took to master posion making.....really a summary from all information here and eqtraders.

1. I did not bother with tradeskill buffs. My int unbuffed is 120 and I found no difference buffing this to 140 on likelihood of successes.
2. This is not as expensive as people make out. You need around 3K maximum to start off, but you will get that back.....and more!!
3. Max your charisma for buying and selling back to the vendor. This is way more important than the "mind" buffs.
4. Unless you really need to for other reasons, don't bother making your own vials. They are the cheapest component. When you are paying +100pp a stack for components, saving 1pp on using your own vials really is not worth the extra clicking.
5. As you get higher in levels on Make Posion, you will get barren times for skill ups. I have gone through over 100 combines and not achieved a skill up, especially around 195 to 205 although I think this is purely random. Skill ups came with no pattern at all and happened 99% of the time on a successful combine but also occurred on failed combines.
6. I did this all in 2 nights (about 8 to 10 hours maximum). It is a major pain!!
7. If you have spare training points, I would suggest you choose wisely when to spend them. I would strongly suggest you use 20 or so to go from 98 to 120 to minimize the time taken to get to a profit and then from 172 to 195. If you do not have that many, save them for the later skill ups when the poisons cost a lot more.
8. The Rogue Assassin Trainer in POK (evil side, middle buidling on the 2nd floor) will train you up to 250. It will cost close to 130pp per skill up once you reach 245 or so. At 190 it was about 65pp per skill up.
9. You can do all of this in 2 zones (POK and Steamfont)
10. I probably ended up with 2000 to 3000 combines (perhaps 30,000 mouseclicks??)
11. I did not bother at all with "Apply Posion" as I wanted to minimize my losses. PoP posions do not use anyway and most old world posions are more expensive than any loot you will ever recover from using them. If you like you can go back to the Athropic Sap purely to raise Apply Posion.

Make sure you have at least 40 free slots in inventory and 3000pp to start. You can slowly start to reduce this after you get closer to trivial on each posion, however, it beats having to run around to the bank all the time.

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Start with making Athropic Sap (Buy 63pp sell ??? a stack)

POK vendors Telir Na`Shalith (neg 110, 1440)
Lined vial
Constrict suspension
2x Alocassia root

This will trivial at Skill 98
===============================================

Next you will make Calcium Rot (Buy 78 sell 134 a stack)

POK vendors - Loran Thu'Leth (neg 115, 1407)
Steamfont - Ennixy Frennor (1370, neg 830)
Sealed Vial
constrict suspension
2x Kings thorn

For this one, you will have to run between Steamfont and POK. Buy a few stacks of vials and susp then run to Ennixy. Make the Calcium Rot until you run out and then stock up on Kings Thorn and run back to POK....rinse repeat.
After about skill 150 you will begin to make a profit on selling back successful combines to the vendor.

This will trivial at 172 skill although you might want to continue for a little while to get some money back
===============================================

Finish off with Spirit of Sloth (Buy 105 sell 190 a stack)

POK vendors - Loran Thu'Leth (neg 115, 1407)
POK vendors - Ciren Darkbog (neg130, 1425)
Sealed vial
Ethereal suspension
2x Creeper Ivy

After about skill 195 you will begin to make a profit on selling back successful combines to the vendor

This will NOT trivial at 250 skill although you might want to continue for a little while to get some money back.

Cat
p.s. only summarized here to make easier reading -- I take no real credit in any original ideas....thansk to the pioneers who discovered a lot of this.

[EZ_BethorSZ]

Anyone have any idea why Ennixy is not at the loc given? I stocked up ran there and looked everywhere after not finding him at loc. Grish

[EZ_KronnusonAB]

Also, on AB server, after the last patch, the gnolls in Lake Rathetear are no longer dropping Wolves Bane OR White Hellbore i guess its on to SoS then :P Afraid of the shadows ? You should be.... Kronnus

[EZ_charles0176]

So I'm guessing that training Make Poison above 200 requires you to be level 50 or 51?

[EZ_charles0176]

Never mind saw FAQ

[EZ_Darques]

Greetings All,

Specific problem... Level 46 Rogue, I have 200 skill making and 150 application, but it won't let me apply the SoS... is there something I am missing? Darques Nytemare

Don't fear the night, fear that which hunts at night

[EZ_Devyne2000]

ok i had to come back and check that you said WK for the first poison vendor hes not on the map and so i ran around doing /loc forever (because i suck at it) till i finally got it right and he/she wasnt there.. are you sure its WK?

[EZ_Kyltt]

Darques,

I had the same problem with iron dimethyl. Although I don't know if there's a specific guide for apply requirements, I know that someone in some thread somewhere (vague enough?) said that they needed 161 apply for many of the poisons. Is this so? Dunno, but my skill is lower than yours, and I get that annoying message that I am not a high enough level to apply. So, for what it's worth, you're not the only one.

[EZ_Zorgos]

With regards to selling back anything now...

On of the last few patches in December made it so that vendors would not buy back anything for a price higher than the components sell for. Might change the way peps do poison. This change was probably in response to the plat dupers out there so blame them...

Zorgos
53rd Rogue TT

[EZ_moustachio]

Thank you so much, made my way to 130 skill in less than an hour.....i'm a real tradeskill hater so this guide was invaluable to me as I am unbelievably lazy

Have linked this thread on my guilds message boards, and will remain there as a sticky for any new rogues joining our ranks.

[EZ_Backlorn]

I am a level 47 Rogue and recently got my skill up to 197 making SoS poison, but I cannot apply them. I get a message that "The poison is too high level for you to apply" does anyone know at what level i can actually use them? Or is it based on apply skill? ~ Brethren Hatebrood, 49th Iksar Monk~
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[EZ_DrienneGardairne]

Devyne, the vendor is in WK. If you head to the farm houses near that loc, there is a small shack or outhouse right next to them. Inside that shack is the vendor.

[EZ_Imina]

posion can be trained in pok at the GM rogue there, i trained from 200-250 with him, but it is also lvl restricted, at 60 you can train to 250, at 50 can only train to 200. So keep that in mind and dont waste your time if your already maxed for you lvl. Imina the guilds drunk monk. <BR><BR>"Beer is you friend, it makes even your enemies look better"

[EZ_ZarloothVAZ]

This guide helped out alot!!....did this in a solid week and a half, plus bought some skills...and Now I'm a GM.

Got my Vial on the first try too...now all I need is the Fear dagger. Marauder Zarlooth
Proud Vah Shir Taruun Deceiver
Officer to the Order of Antondwer
Pounce's on his own tail

[EZ_PhantomKash]

Guide helped a lot. Up to 100 in poison making now. 57 Rogue - 54 Paladin - 55 Bard

[EZ_Eumerin]

Just a quick note - there's now a way to currently raise your Poison Making skill to 52 for absolutely free. Its somewhat time consuming, but there's no money involved at all. Each of the tradeskills has a pair of quests on the Queen of Thorns in the Discord expansion. Find the NPCs on the ship that relate to poison (dark elf poison vendors - can't remember their names off the top of my head) and talk to them to start the quest you prefer to do.

One quest requires you to take items that the NPC gives you, combine them, and then hand them back in one at a time. Every 100 hand ins, the items given to you are changed to those needed for a more difficult recipe. The final recipe can get you to skill level 52, and when you've done over 400 hand ins, the NPC tells you how to work with Muramite Blood and Bile (note that no one currently knows why you would want to work with the blood or bile).

The other quest requires you to take drops from Discord, bring them back to the Queen of Thorns, and combine them with certain items the NPC gives you. Once again there are four seperate recipes, each slightly more difficult than the last. However, to counterbalance the fact that you're farming some of the materials this time, you're only required to do roughly 1/3 of the hand ins of the other version of the quest.
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Mabkin

[EZ_johny anon]

Im not a rogue but my roomate is , he just went to the pok rogue trainer with a skill of 182 and took it to 250 in about 45 seconds with 4500 plat. thats pretty damn good ~
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[neienry]

Thanks for the guide, it helped a lot. I just dinged 58 on the weekend, got my skill to 240 and made my grandmaster Assasin's vial. WOOHOO.

[DJbond]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but if you go to Abysmal Sea via the Wayfarer Camps and go to the pottery merchant, you'll find the poison merchants in the same room. They sell pretty much every ingredient you'll need to make poisons to at least 200. (minus the actual vials themselves). And if you make your own vials, you're already at those merchants, too. Two merchants in the same room = tradeskillers Heaven. Good luck to you guys...

[Xaxony Silentshadow]

This is a great guide. Thank you for taking the time to put it together and share it with all of us.

[KyStromm]

Nematocyst Poison to 159, Fish for the Ovate Jellyfish in Gunthak, also get Sea Urchins, Gunthak Gourami and Fresh Fish to bake or sell off, and Fish Scales (For SK Enduring Breath I think). Among the last of the level 2 poisons usind a lined rather than sealed vial, and constrict suspension. When done, take your leftover bait to Dulak's for Frilled Anemones (triv around 180).
Not like these aren't decent exp zones while your PM skill is in this range, and Dulak's you can also make a pretty penny of drop loot.

[zebede]

There is now an easier and cheaper way to make the poison vials. You can now use crows special brew instead of the pelts/skins/hides which is purchased in the Abysmal sea shopping area.

http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=12829

[Gareen]

Whoa! Eggsellent! When did Crow's special brew become available for making poison vials? I just dusted off my rogue from an eight-month hibernation and found many stacks of zombie skins in my bank. Now, no more zombie skin farming! Eggsellent!

[leopold]

Hello--- I noted that this post is over 3 years old ( back when i made my first rogue) and now that I have a better rogue --- was wondering if you could update this post in light of all the additional expansions and recipes that are now available.

I did start doing sap which went pretty well once i got the recipe down. Still a little slow but that is trade skilling

Leopold

22 Rogue Kitty

[Wweyan2]

Great guide, I do think an update would be great. I tried out the sap & in a 1/2hour had my make poison above 50. Here's a good tip, I was able to buy all the ingredients for the sap at one of the poison vendors in POK. When all my bags were full I got some buff's then went to Overthere & grouped for the experience, applying poison as I went. :evil

Give it a try, worked on Terew marr sever.

Wweyan Poonjab
lvl 30 rogue in learing (my 1st toon)

[Silentdeath]

is athropic sa[ supposed to be on teh poison list?
:brow

[Wweyan2]

No sap wasn't in my list. Just click experiment put proper ingrediants into pestle (unstacked), & hit combine.
I failed about 70% at first but it levels out fast.

Wweyan Poonjab Lvl 36 rogue in learning

[Milstabs Dark'Heart]

for some reason cant i train my skill in PoK above 172, is it change so you cant do it any more or shall i go to my home town ?

[Silena]

/channels Jecour

"Search is your friend"

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[Milstabs Dark'Heart]

thank you.

[landory slicedemup]

i have a question i have all the ingredients for the poison in the guide have visited wkarana. i just dont know where to train to put points in making poison not on the training list GM darren in the pok. im so confused love my rogue and would like to use this skill i put the ingredient in the mortar and pedistal and wont let me combine. not sure what im doing wrong or a bug. my skill is 0 and confused. please help me . :frown

[Durden]

Landory, what lvl is your rogue? I think they made a change to Make Poison recently, taking the skill out of the GM Rogue's trainable skills list (to keep rogues from buying their way up to a skill of 250 at Stanos).

Also, DOUBLE check your ingredients to the recipe AGAIN. A lot of the poison making components look IDENTICAL and it's easy to buy the wrong vial or suspension (can't tell you how many times it's happened to me).

[landory slicedemup]

landory is a 51 rogue on bristlebane. i have never did the poison end of it to max all the other skills and get my epic. have all the correct items and still the mortar says cannot combine these ingredients in the container type. have a mortar and pedestal. the ingredients trying to combine are as follows : 2 alocassia root (unstacked) lined vial, and constrict suspension. dont know if i have a bug or what just wanting to know what iam doing wrong.

[Durden]

And what's your make poison skill at?

[landory slicedemup]

landory has a skill level in poison of 0 . Apply poison is maybe a 2 , poison was given to me by another rogue on my server. The poor high level rogues on my server have all been asked about this problem. :blink

[landory slicedemup]

the rogue i recieved poison from unfortunately is never on, or i would ask her :banghead

[Durden]

Ok, I think you may need to start with a lower level poison until you get your Make Poison skill up to ~20.

Try the Spine Break - I still use these by the way when I want to go a solo the Overseer in Chardock for the Halfling mask.

Spine Break
1 lined poison vial
1 constrict suspension
1 delphinium
1 thorny ergot

All reagents can be purchased in WC at the poison merchant.

[landory slicedemup]

thanks to all that helped here and on my server. you can still train in the pok, for the first 50 points didnt see it before. have my skill up to 172 in two days doing the method suggested. most of the items are now found in the pok. the spine break ingredients are also found there for others no more going to wc for spine break. thanks again. :thumb

[milliar]

I realize this is a very old post but I have a question about apply poison. Is it worth it to skill up? I have applied countless poisons and have never failed and I think my skill is at like 45 or so. And lastly has anyone found another route to go from 172+ without farming and without the use of SoS?

[likenew]

if you have yer poison mastery aa's you won't fail on applying a poison...but to that, apply poison skill only is for old school poisons, the 1 time use first hit poison, not the cast time buff slot proc poisons of pop+

there isn't much of a reason to skill it up, but you can use any old school poison to skill it up, i use spine break a ton and its almost 200 now cuz of it.

[milliar]

cool thanks..

[Wazilla]

I'm standing in front of stanos with 172 Make poison. I try to train even 1 point higher and he gives me the "you are more skilled than I" line... have i already used all the tradeskill points i can in Make Poison? or did they nerf stanos... (poor guy)

[Shadokill]

Wazilla -
Yeah, they nerf'd all Rogue trainers with DoN; I believe they flagged the skill much as other trade skills are flagged at trainers as 'untrainable' over a certain amount of skill.

Great guide, btw - thanks a ton for the info!

Shadokill Wantonfury
Rake of Bristlebane
Firiona Vie (retired)

Shadokill Wantonfury
42 Rogue of Bristlebane
Luclin

[reamas]

UPDATE


Check poison merchants in POK, you may not have to run around all the zones like i did. I know for Spirit of sloth, everything is there atm.

[garborg]

Any suggestions for a progression rogue for 172-200 since DoN training nerf?

[garborg]

Lol... also Sloth cost about 205 a stack, I guess used to sell for 240, well now it sells for about 105.

[celticjane]

this is how i leveled my making poison skill

go to Abysmal Sea to the poison merchant Viliani I`Xvoyt @ -211, 200, 98, in the hold. make sure you have your mortar n pestel in inventory. and make sure you've got plenty of plat to spend especially depending on your CHA!

**Helpful Info: after you successfully Make the poison, place it in open inventory slot, right click it and start building up your Applying Poison Skill. this is also important for Rogues **


Athropic Sap: (98)
Lined Poison Vial
Constrict Suspension
Alocassia Root x2


Calcium Rot: (172)
Sealed Poison Vial
Constrict Suspension
Kings Thorn x2


Cyclic Vertigo: (258)
Sealed Poison Vial
Larent Suspension
Crystal Nightshade
Snowcap Amanita x2


Spirit of Sloth: (275)
Sealed Poison Vial
Ethereal suspension
Creeper Ivy x2

[Bugg Wizer]

the sad thing is its cheaper for the ingredients for Spirit of the Sloth, granted the success rate sucked and forced me back to the more expensive Metallic Alkaloid or Cyclic Vertigo. Now sitting at 220 make poison and out of money :rofl but the money issues was because of the GM seal quest making the various poisons and the artisan seal (that sucked majorly) 4k per attempt, but its done, now i need to figure out if i need more faction or a certain level... but figured i'd offer my 2 cents.

[Xanthin]

OK, i was in a bind trying to raise my poison making skill, i needed lots of zombi skins and was tired of spending time in Unrest farming them. Looked in bazaar and was lucky if saw zombie skins for 1p each, and no one really had a lot to sell. So i did some research and found out you can use Crow's special brew instead of the skins. They sell for a little over 6 gold pieces per stack, best place to buy is Abysmal Sea and Crescent Reach. Hope this helps.

57 rogue from druzzil ro

[Juggahnaut]

I went straight from Calcium Rot to Spirit of Sloth and I don't think I spent 5k total going from 0-275 skill. Mind you this was like 4-5 yrs ago.