Mind melt question

[EZ_SileaEmarr]

Can I make this Poison Sub 200 skill??

I am at 188 and I had enough for 25 attempts, Spirit of Sloth was killing me running to FV. So I tried and failed all 25 attempts.


Back to the mines for me.

Silsrog
Emarr

Silea
Emarr

[EZ_HarloweRogue]

Mileage may vary, but I found Mind Melt to be much less successful pre-250 than Spirit of Sloth.

I was asked to make Mind Melt for friends when I was around 200 skill level (needed for 9th Coldain Ring, Avalanche Ale) and found that even when I reached 230 skill level, I was failing too much to use this poison to build skill. Even if you save money Cinnibar/gnomish spirits/farm Mt death salts vs buying creeper ivy, if you are failing a great deal more you are also losing the cost of Ethereal Suspension each attempt and also, less to sell back to the vendor.

I would guess it was close to double the failure rate Spirit of Sloth. At 250 it's still not trivial. I have very few failures at SoS and can do 50 doses without a failure. At 250, Mind Melt doesn't come near that success rate. I think I still fail 1-2 out of 5 attempts.

~*Harlowe
60 Assassin
Grand Master Poison Making Edited by: HarloweRogue at: 8/25/02 5:13:27 pm

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

The short version:

You have a 5% chance of making it pre-200


The longer version:

Mind melt is not trivial at 250. Based on my rough experiences, it still fails a good bit of the time. From this, and some work people have done approximating the success rate formula, you can work out some basic info, like an approximate trivial level. Knowing that you can work backwards to a success rate at 200ish.

Now this is VERY crude, but figure for each point below 250, your success chance drops about 1%. (Slightly more actually.) This is an estimate based on the success rate formulas, which themsleves are approximate.

So by the time you drop down 50-60% in success rate, you're about at the minimum success rate of 5%.

So if you really need one and just want to brute force it, you will succeed sooner or later. But it's going to be a major hassle.



Osprey
Assassin
Triad Continuum

[EZ_SileaEmarr]

Got to 194 skill I will tough out 200 then try again.

Thanks

Silsrog

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

I think you'd be better off waiting til you were around 230 or so before trying it, unless you have a lot of ingredients and just want to force your way through it and only need one.


Osprey
Assassin
Triad Continuum

[Jais Rassiter]

At 225 I failed 2 out of 5 on Mind Melt. Jais Rassiter Assassin of Rodcet Nife. Ring Warden of Rodcet Nife.

[EZ_HarloweRogue]

At 250 with a +3% modifier, I still fail at least 1 out of every 5. Avg is more like 2 out of 5. Mind Melt is a bitz.

[EZ_SileaEmarr]

skill 199 still plugging

Silsrog

[EZ_Karia on Prexus]

Made 12 attempts last night at 203 skill. Got 2 successes and raised to 204.

Karia

250 skill and I am about 60% success rate. Not too tough to get componants so I do not mind, only thing is I would rather use the Salts for my Chardok faction.

[EZ_Mugwump C]

made a few combines yesterday. skill is 215. with 150 dex, i made 1 success on 6 attempts, then asked a bard friend to sing dex song. with 240 dex, i made 10 more combines and had 5 success..
so try to get a bard friend

[EZ_mikitta]

The other day I had enough material for about 25 combines - I made 15 Mind Melts - not too bad of a success ratio - right around 60% and thats without any extra dex buffs.

[EZ_Talabrina]

Success rate is 1/3 (out of 30 attempts) with 230 skill and a dext in the 130.
I raised to 235 and got a decanter of the apothecary (so 242 skill) and will pass the success rate for this level (will do this sunday).

[EZ_HarloweRogue]

I believe the decanter adds to your success not your skill level ...or so it was said in another thread.

[EZ_Talabrina]

Hmm does it actually make a difference?
With 199 skill lockpick and 2% picks you can open door needing 200 skill, i believe all focus items work the same way, and that they do increase skill (if mechanical didnt raised skill you could NOT open a 200 skill door with 199 skill and the mechanical picks, and mechanical would be useless as they used to be for ages)
Your trained skill is unchanged by the decanter, i believe that the focus item add "focus points" based on your rank and the % modifier of the item to give a "modified" skill level (which is not displayed in game) which is the one used by the game engine for assessing successes.
Also as success is directly related to skill level, i dont see how raising the success rate can be diffentiated from raising the skill. That just my opinion.
I totally agree that the focus item do not help raising skill faster.
Also, i guess i need to use more DEX next time. Edited by: Talabrina at: 9/6/02 2:38:56 am

[EZ_Blackgallon]

Had poison skill to 215ish just to make avalanche ale, with right buffs at that level was successfull 50%. After spending 3 aa's in class on poison skill.. went from 215 to 250 in like 2 hours form creeper ivy sloth poison in FV. This skill made a huge difference finishing off skill. Only failed 1-3 times in 40 combines post 220, ended up making pp's instead of losing. Didn't have any stat buffs either, recommended for anyone planning on doing skill, the no fail apply is nice too. This was also without the 3% mod thing, with the success I was getting I preferred to keep the dex from main weaps.
Blackgallon

[EZ_SileaEmarr]

Now I am at 209 in skill and going up slowly. Have made quite a few Mind Melts for Guildies and made a few to sell.

What do most of you charge for them?

Getting components is not too hard My main is a 60 Wizard and myself and a pally friend goto Droga and AE for components. Can normally get 20 in 2 hours or so.,

Silea
Silsrog

Pendragon Society

[EZ_Karia on Prexus]

With 250 Makepoison +5% I have made 8 from 15 attempts.