How to raise apply poisons

[Panamah]

Well, I got my make poison skill up to 245 using Stanos (from 154-on) and those unused 80+ training points. But now my apply poison skill is pretty icky, probably rather close to 0.

Any suggestions on a fast way to raise it? I'd rather not pay the 3 AA points for the skill, because there's still so much other stuff I need to buy.

[EZ_sashton]

Little late to be starting, but practice. lots and lots and lots and ......
I've been using the cheap stuff, Spider/Snake/Grave Mold and am still getting skill-ups at 137

[EZ_Chaid Duskwalker]

(This message was left blank) Edited by: Chaid Duskwalker at: 10/8/02 9:39:59 am

[EZ_Restyn]

I agree. If you haven't even put a point into it, then do that first, but otherwise, make the cheapest poison you can and just sit and apply it. Your skill will go up no matter what the poison.

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[Lemac Dushae]

Also note that you don't have to use a poison dose up before applying a second (or more) coating. The applications don't stack, but you can just keep dipping.

Once you have a good supply of poisons ready, just chain apply them. -- Lemac Dushae, Guild Leader for the Court of Jesters
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[EZ_Swipey]

I went all the way to 200 apply on spider and snake poisons. (weak I, Inject I)

Spider poisons I'd just make and apply, without using (weaken never seemed to make the mobs hit any softer), and the snake poisons I'd use when fighting.

[EZ_sashton]

Hmmmm. right-click. you have successfully applied. right-click. you have successfully applied. right-click. naww. something seems to be missing here.

[Patofnaud]

"Hmmmm. right-click. you have successfully applied. right-click. you have successfully applied. right-click. naww. something seems to be missing here. "

Yup, that should read:

Hmmmm. right-click. you have successfully applied, kiss 5-10pp good bye, right-click, you have successfully applied, kiss 5-10pp good bye, right-click. naww. something seems to be missing here.

10 times later, you have gotten better in apply! And 50-100pp poorer.

Apply after 100 skill virtually never fails. Not saying it can't. Just saying at 100 skill vs. 200 skill you won't see much difference if any, so don't go blow 1kpp to raise it. Just use it as you go and it will raise just fine on its own. Patofnaud (raid gear)
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[Dragynphyre]

thats why u use cheapo poisons Delissandra Splitshadow - Half-Elven Assassin - "Far Seekers" - The Rathe
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[EZ_HarloweRogue]

Yep, it's all been said here. Make the cheapest one possible and do it to 100. Seriously, after 100 you will seldom if ever see a fail. I haven't in ages.

[EZ_Stabm Lfg]

Im at like 75 and I rarely fail, not to mention you canjust spend 3 aa's (assuming you're level 59+ and have 18aa's used respectively) and never fail an application again.

[EZ_sashton]

> Hmmmm. right-click. you have successfully applied, kiss 5-10pp good bye, right-click, you have
> successfully applied, kiss 5-10pp good bye, right-click. naww. something seems to be missing here.

5-10pp? what the heck are you using that stuff for? Grave Mold farms free and easily and costs less than 1p to make, unless you buy the skins to make the vials.

Neuevegas, 31 WoodElf Rogue on Bristlebane
155 Make Poison, 152 Apply, 190 Pottery

[EZ_Swipey]

Even if you buy all your parts : (dont quote me on the vial or suspensions. What I have is close anyway)

Spider Sacs : 0.525 pp ea from vendors
Regular Vial : 1.625 pp ea from vendors
Regular Suspension : 0.625 ea from vendors

Only about 3.3 pp per try, and you can knock it down to around 2.5 if you make your own vials.

[Patofnaud]

Time is money lads.

Cool 3.3pp per try or 2.5pp if you kill a zombie, and head to a wheel/kiln vs. my 5pp-10pp. Thanks for callin me to the carpet on that one. Whew!

Ya missin the point I was trying to make lad..

Don't just sit there and burn off your wares, just carry them around and USE them. Apply will go up just fine on its own. If your using ONE TYPE of poisons, then thats 4 Inventory slots to make 20 shots of Snake Venom. Don't just burn em all to get a skill point, USE em.

[Panamah]

Actually, poisons look so great I think I'll save up 3 points for the poison skill and never fail to apply it.

[EZ_Swipey]

I'd use every snake poison I made.

Spider poison seemed pretty worthless though. It never seemed like the mobs were hitting any less hard or often due to the strength drain, so I'd just apply, then apply over it.

And time IS money, I agree. I haven't made anything less than sealed vials since I was skilling up pottery.

Not worth the time/effort to save a measly 8 gp, but making sealed vials saves closer to 3 pp, and I dont seem to be living under the money tree like some folks.

[EZ_Cuzco]

Quote: Safehouse Head Administrator
Poisons were completely revamped in PoP!! Although the older poisons did not change, the new poisons are more of a potion than a poison. Right clicking on a poison has a 6 second apply time, and will equip any attack with a 10-15 minute proc effect. Since these are more like potions than poisons, there is no more check for the Apply Poison skill! You will never fail to put on your poison again.


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Edited by: Shadowcross at: 10/23/02 12:59:36 am

[EZ_Lifty]

bah, they shoulda left the apply poison check in. it made mastery worth gettin.
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[EZ_jayrod junteau]

anyone know if new apply is still sit for 6 seconds?

[EZ_Jasek Evil]

Mastery is still worth getting to decrease your apply time, and to help with failure rates. I hadn't failed a poison app in like 400+ tries the last time I raised my apply skill, so its not like mastery was a night and day difference in failure/success anyway.

And no, you dont have to sit anymore but you do have to stand (you are basically casting a spell now, like Myro armor) Edited by: Jasek Evil at: 10/26/02 11:06:44 am