Advanced Posion Component Formulas

[EZ_Ammon Talanton]

To get this information, you need to get your Grandmaster Assassin's Seal and talk to the poison vendor Ciren Darkbog at -130, 1425 in PoK.

You say, 'Hail, Ciren Darkbog'

Ciren Darkbog squints his eyes at you 'I see you have a Seal similar to that Dark Assassin who came through. He had many interesting suggestions of items we should sell and stock. He even had an interesting base formula he shared with us on how to make a new style of Poison. Perhaps you would like to know the basis making these advanced poisons?

You say, 'i would like to know how to make advanced poisons'

Ciren Darkbog barks a short laugh at you, 'Glady would I share this information with you for the cost of a mere 100 platinum pieces.'

Ciren Darkbog holds his hand out and starts inspecting his fingernails. 'Apparently if you combine a celestial essence with a ethereal suspension you can make a celestial suspension. Also amber plus gnomish spirits will make an amber resin. This ore he suggested I sell also apparently makes a type of resin as well. Now what was I thinking? My tongue seems clogged perhaps 200 platinum would get it working again.'

Ciren Darkbog grins at you. 'I imagine you were curious how to make a poison vial? Well by combing an advanced vial sketch, a large block of clay, purified water, and a pelt from a beast you can make an unfired vial. Simply fire it with a high quality firing sheet. He mentioned something about an easier way involving a gnome, a peridot and an old vial. More expensive than doing it yourself on a wheel, but easier is always more costly on the purse wouldn't ye say Ammon? Speaking of costly if ye wish to know more I would suggest lightening your load by 500 platinum.'

Ciren Darkbog smiles. 'Quite eager for the information are't we Ammon? Well here you have it, combine an advanced vial, a celestial suspension, one of the resins, and a poison element. For the more durable poisons ye need to add a rare element in addition to the common element. He also mentioned some of the more exotic poisons would require sketchs that various masters of shadow would have. The Dark Assassin even gave Loran a book in which to place these sketchs. Overall a very nice stranger, I couldn't help but admire the mortar he had as well, black as night and smooth as marble. Too bad he wouldn't part with that recipe.'


Ammon Talanton
Follower of The Tribunal
Noble Blade's, the Rathe

[EZ_Reinerfore]

Yep Ciren does give up the info when hailed. Looks like a lot of work for the poisons overall, but possibly worth it. Also looks like the black moratr will be craftable. Could be interesting.


Reinerfore
61 Assassin
Arbiters of E`Ci

[sitkan]

Confirmed that the Celestial Essence + Etheral Suspension makes Celestial Suspension. The resin also works, but is a 1:2 ratio. so you get two resin for each one combine. Getting some vial sketches to try them out and play around with combines when I'm done.

~Sitkan Silentfoot
Assassian of Mith Marr
Forsaken Realm

[EZ_Lyralie]

Did you ask about the Dark Assassin? Renux mentioned this Dark Assassin, too.

[Stalk]

New info on pelts-

Old world pelts do not work.

Don't know about Luclin pelts.

Purified water is:

Celestial Essence + 2 Water Flasks. [60 Assassin] Baron Stalkyr Weaksoul
[52 Wanderer] Nytwolf Partywolf

[Stalk]

Oh, to clarify what he said:

Every poison components will (seemingly) be:

Advanced Vial (4 types of this)
Celestial Conscript
Amber or Ore resin
Common Poison Component
Rare poison component (optional)

Hope this helps. [60 Assassin] Baron Stalkyr Weaksoul
[52 Wanderer] Nytwolf Partywolf

[EZ_Ammon Talanton]

A few more comments/observations:

-The Grandmasters Assassins Seal is the result of the new Renux quest in WK. See the quest forum for details (my favorite part of that quest was what she says when you finish it).

-The ore 'he suggested I sell' is Mercuric Ore, which he sells. It is not stackable and we still need to figure out the formula for making the resin. On the bright side, I can test mixing it with all kinds of beverages and drink my 'mistakes'.

-With my limited testing it looks like old poisons don't combine in the Coffin Poison Bottle (summoned using the Grandmasters Assassins Seal).

-There is a gnome somewhere that will trade for the new vials. Still need to find him, but he probably won't be hard to find if you have the new seal.

-It would be nice if people could post any trivial information they get on these new components.

-It would be nice in peope could post any actual formulas they figure out. I will certainly be carrying a stack of supplies and trying new combines on everything I loot. =)

-He certainly implies there is a new mortar, probably using the Coffin Poison Bottle since you can summon a new one.

-The icons for the Seal and Bottle are cool, I like them. Hrm, ok, maybe that's not so relevent.


Ammon Talanton
Follower of The Tribunal
Noble Blade's, the Rathe

[Furtivus]

For the gnome, I tried handing a peridot to Yendar, the Steamfont poison merchant and the 2 gnome tinkerers in POK. All resulted in "I don't need this item" messages.

[EZ_Benton D Marr]

Threw a Peridot and a Sealed vial at a tinkerer and yielded one Advanced Poison Vial

[EZ_meyekal]

Do you mean a tinkerer as in a PC ?

[sitkan]

Whats the trivial for a tinkerer to make an advanced vial from sealed vial and a peridot?

~Sitkan

[Barrister]

Since PoP went live, has anyone seen the dark assassin that used to roam around Norrath in Innothul and Everfrost, and such? wonder if there is a relation there. Cloauk N'Dger
Veteran Assassin of The Haven

[Squink McPoke]

Talked to Stanos and Anson in highpass asking them about advanced poisons, black mortar, new mortar, and dark assassin, but nothing I tried garnered any sort of response.

[EZ_Zegelmorph]

Nice work guys! Looks like we're almost there

[EZ_Niami DenMother]

Well done, all!

I'm nudging my community over this direction so that we don't lose valuable information due to seaparate groups running around trying to test the same exact things.

I can also contribute my own tiny part to the conversation. The tinkering combine in a toolkit of 1 sealed poison vial plus 1 peridot is trivial

[Stalk]

It's trivial at level 1. [60 Assassin] Baron Stalkyr Weaksoul
[52 Wanderer] Nytwolf Partywolf

[EZ_Niami DenMother]

With regards to the pottery version of the vial, have folks tried it not only with normal clay, but also with the tanaan clay sold only in Plane of Knowledge? Additionally, did you try making it on the pottery wheel/kiln in Plane of Knowledge, as opposed to one elsewhere? We're finding that a lot of the PoP recipes specifically need the stationary containers in PoK for the combines. ... Just a couple things you might want to think about while experimenting.

~Mum

[Pyrocat Moonstalker]

Summing up, please correct if you see mistakes.

Advanced Vial + Celestrial Suspension + Amber Resin + common poison component = poison

Celestrial Suspension: Celestrial Essence + Ethreal

Celestrial Essence: Celestrial Solvent (bought) + High Level Rune/word/research (Scent of marr)

Amber Resin: Amber + Gnomish spirits (both storebought)

edit: bah, right as I hit post I forgot, you get 2 resins per combine...
Edited by: Pyrocat Moonstalker at: 10/24/02 5:37:14 pm

[Squink McPoke]

I purchased a toolkit, made 5 attempts at a combine of 1 sealed vial, and 1 peridot. None succeeded.

Either I had extremely bad luck (0.05x0.05x0.05x0.05x0.05 = very bad odds of that happening) or it is not trivial at skill level 1.

edit: It's spelled "celestial", take out the "r" Pyro Edited by: Squink McPoke at: 10/24/02 5:39:29 pm

[EZ_Benton D Marr]

Advanced sketch + enchanted large block of clay + pure water + old world pelt

[Squink McPoke]

Okay had a low-skill tinkerer help me, so we could narrow down the trivial. And it raised him to skill 70, and became trivial at that point.

So: PC Tinkerer, trivial 70 tinkering, confirmed.

edit: Thanks to Spitey Jerk (really his name) on Lanys for his help and trivial confirmation Edited by: Squink McPoke at: 10/24/02 5:53:50 pm

[Pyrocat Moonstalker]

heh sorry, anyways, grats Vurin on the first (afaik) new poison made.

Advanced Vial + Celestial Suspension + Amber Resin + Dust of Decay made

[EZ_Ammon Talanton]

In a Mortar and Pestle (note, NOT Coffin Poison Bottle)

Advanced Poison Vial + Celestial Suspension + Amber Resin + Undead Shissar Venom Sack = Zombie Bane (effect Lesser Molten Silver) [Note: only 1 charge on this one ]

Advanced Poison Vial + Celestial Suspension + Amber Resin + Shissar Venom Sack = Sting of the Shissar (effect Lesser Strike Poison) [also 1 charge]

Comments:
-Thanks Mizznomer for making those vials for me and refusing to charge.

-I got dnc on the Coffin Poison Bottle. Do some recipies later use it? Or is it just going to be used for something else? It doesn't seem like a replacement trade container when it has no weight reduction and a combine button (also not no rent).

-Combining a Mercuric Ore with Gnomish Spirits makes a Drop of Mercury. Is this supposed to be the other Resin even thought its not called that, or is it for another trade skill I am not familiar with.

-We still have a lot of work to go to get both larger use poisions and the more powerful versions. But its a start.


Ammon Talanton
Follower of The Tribunal
Noble Blade's of the Rathe

[Squink McPoke]

adv vial, celestial suspension, amber resin, phosphorous powder = bixie sting (lesser concussion poison)

adv vial, celestial suspension, amber resin, nardoo = mental burn (lesser destroy poison)

same as above:

tainted planar essence = sting of shissar (lesser strike poison) Edited by: Squink McPoke at: 10/24/02 6:39:18 pm

[EZ_Saphe Xul]

Have you tried 2 Poisons in the Coffin bottle? Maybe it is the Bearskin Potion Bag that allows us to make the Poisons stack.


Edit: Please read our sig rules. Personal pic and sig pic mustn't be more than 15kbyte combined. - ShadowCross Edited by: Shadowcross at: 10/25/02 2:35:33 am

[Pyrocat Moonstalker]

Coffin Poison Bottle = bearskin potion bag yes. Not confirmed with 10 charges yet, but 5 poisons = 5 charge

[EZ_Bayler]

Drops of Mercury are used in dwarven cultural smithing - have been for quite some time. They drop sometimes from elementals in Steamfont. I suspect that the recipe that creates drops of mercury is new. I'm guessing it's not the rezzin we're looking for.

My guess is that the Coffin Poison Bottle's only purpose is to combine several new poisons into 5- or 10-dose bottles.

Bayler - 59th rank Swashbuckler - Xev
Tessally - 51st flicker Nun of Solusek Ro - Xev

[Squink McPoke]

Timed it at lasting 10 minutes. Message when it wears off is "The poison dries up."

Sting of Shissar procs 75dd, with a message: "Target screams as poison burns their veins." Edited by: Squink McPoke at: 10/24/02 7:08:33 pm

[Corinari]

I created an Excel spreadsheet to start tracking what has been found and what the recipes are that we have confirmed. Figured I would share it with everyone here since I have gathered so much knowledge from you.

html page
Excel sheet

The links from the names goto the information listed at EQCasters. I plan to update this as I can between work, family and eq time.

EDIT: Updated spreadsheet


Corinari Thrombosis
55 Rogue
Karana Edited by: corinari at: 10/24/02 9:31:47 pm

[EZ_Zyke]

Edit: put this into a format the guy with the spreadsheet can use.

Crushed vein : Uses dust of decay
Minor irritant : Clump of Fungus ( something like that)
Spine bruiser: Crystalized Sulfur



Vurin- 61 rogue of Dro
Edited by: Zyke at: 10/24/02 8:15:42 pm

[EZ_Issard]

nice work all

[EZ_ThianRaven]

is there a way we could make a cross server channel called poisoned or something to share ideas?

Thian 60 Assassin

[EZ_Zyke]

there is a cross server channel... its how I learned and shared all the early poision discoveries hours before they were posted here.
http://pub146.ezboard.com/fthesafehousetherootcellar.showMessage?topicID=693 4.topic

later in that post it talks about the "serverwide" channel used

If we're not allowed to talk about that sort of thing feel free to moderate my post =\

Vurin - 61 rogue of Dro

[EZ_ThianRaven]

i'm not allowed to see that for some reason 8(

Thian

[EZ_Thorfinn Wayforger]

Where is the celestial solvent sold? I can't find mention of it anywhere. The Forger of the Way<BR>
Zebuxoruk(Formerly THe Rathe)<BR>
Inventor of the "groinstab"<BR>
For when you just aren't tall enough to get at the back of that pesky giant.

[EZ_NimbletoeKneeslapper]

sorry, but you all seem to be just glazing over the whole stackable posion thing. New posions only or what?

Kind of a big question.....

[Corinari]

It is stated in this thread that we know the new poisons stack and how. Just a few posts up Pyrocat says it is known 5 poisons=5 dose, working on 10.

See this thread for details on how to get the new combine box to make mutlicharge poisons.

Basically you need 250 Make Poison
Get your Grand Masters Apopthicary Vial
Do quest with Renux in WK
Get Grand Masters Assasin's Seal
Grand Master's Assasin's Seal summons a 10 slot no drop poison bottle called a "Corpse Bottle" Edited by: corinari at: 10/24/02 11:20:17 pm

[EZ_L0z]

Overall a very nice stranger, I couldn't help but admire the mortar he had as well, black as night and smooth as marble.

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[Panamah]

I found dark pages with various page numbers, I was thinking they were related to the dark assassin, hope I wasn't wrong. Anyone know what they are? They came from various mobs in PoI.

[EZ_Niami DenMother]

Quote:Where is the celestial solvent sold? I can't find mention of it anywhere.

You have to make it. No-fail combine in mortar & pestle using celestial solvent and a high-end spell research item. (Or you can be lazy and just buy stacks of scent of marr to use instead of figuring out which runes, words and pages will work.) You'll find a full list at the below link, and links contained within it that show where the solvent and the scent of marr are sold.

www.eqtraders.com/secrets...olvent.htm

~Mum

[EZ_Hotcana Wupaz]

So, it would seem you need to be a gnome rogue?

No luck on other ways of making the advanced vials yet? Or did I just miss it from lack of sleep since PoP went live?

[Squink McPoke]

It's in the first @#%$ post.

Yes, I'm tired and grumpy.

[EZ_L0z]

Firmly convinced VI hosed us to hell with the poison implimentation. I don't see shaman required to hunt all over hell's half-acre to fuggin' make a potion, why in the HELL should we be required to pull this type of CRAP for a 10 minute self buff that will probably proc 5 or less times in an average fight?

You think farming greens is bad? Try getting 5 other people to go hunt in a place with no loot (ssra) so you can pick up some no drop venom sacks. They could have at least had the courtesy to make the goddamned components droppable. As it stands, these poisons are worse than the previous ones in terms of time required to make, and usefullness.

-One pissed off halfling. Edited by: L0z at: 10/25/02 1:19:58 am

[EZ_Norianis Windmane]

If I am not mistaken, someone posted that the shissar venom sacs are now droppable.

[Squink McPoke]

The shissar stuff was made droppable at some point in the recent past. I bought some off of a vendor personally

But I do agree. Somewhere along the line, when we said "We shouldn't have to farm greens for hours just for a handful of components.", they took the keyword to be "green" instead of "farm". Which is sad.

10 minutes FLIES by.

[EZ_Cily]

Uh, you need a tinker to make the vials?

Wtf...

Cily

[Squink McPoke]

Quote from the very first post of this thread:Quote:Ciren Darkbog grins at you. 'I imagine you were curious how to make a poison vial? Well by combing an advanced vial sketch, a large block of clay, purified water, and a pelt from a beast you can make an unfired vial. Simply fire it with a high quality firing sheet. He mentioned something about an easier way involving a gnome, a peridot and an old vial. More expensive than doing it yourself on a wheel, but easier is always more costly on the purse wouldn't ye say Ammon? Speaking of costly if ye wish to know more I would suggest lightening your load by 500 platinum.'


Notice the contrast and compare, via bold and italics

[EZ_Cily]

Ya, reread and noticed that after my initial shock =)

Oh well, it wouldn't have surprised me =p

Cily

[ShadowCross]

I don't see shaman required to hunt all over hell's half-acre to fuggin' make a potion,


EVERYTHING for these poisons can be bought in one zone, except for the final component. The final components are ALL NO DROP, so they can be bought - and they are pretty common.

I don't see your problem at all. If you want it even EASIER, well, tough luck I guess.
I love the new poisons already. Veteran ShadowCross Bladesong
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[EZ_Forthe CT]

Well if the earlier post is correct its enchanted clay. So we need an enchanter or a tinkerer to be able to make the vials.

Adding the need for a enchanter\tinkerer was a bit too much. The poisons are already expensive + farm. The effects are a nice bonus but not world changing.

Thanks to all that put the work in to discover this information. After running around PoK the last few days I was getting frustrated (wasn't aware of the Grandmaster Seal quest). Edited by: Forthe CT at: 10/25/02 3:11:54 am

[Blusco]

Purified Water
Advanced vial sketch
(any poison vial skin)
Large block of magic clay

yields 2 unfired advanced vials Blusco Kickshaw-Stonefoot
Enraged and Redeemed Hobbit Assassin, Bristlebane
()pener of Locks, Retriever of Corpses
Getting into places I'm not wanted for 60 levels

Slapstik, Gnome Enchanter of Bristlebane
IDoNotTalkFastYouListenSlow!
Inch
Kobold Shadowblade of Percival
Tailoring to meet your needs--No order too small!

Kraagar, Dwarf Healer of Percival

[EZ_Charye Lupine]

Have to apologize if I make any (probably many!) spelling errors, very tired from running around collecting everything I possibly could and getting all DNC's!! So here's my list of failures...

All attempts were with Advanced Poison Vial, Celestial Suspension and both Amber Resin and Drop of Mercury just in case.... All results were DNC in Mortar & Pestle

1 Arachanae Fane
1 & 2 Festering Glob of Goo
1 & 2 Fetid Slime
1 Slarghling Blood
1, 2 & 3 Rock Fern
1 & 2 Disease Infested Rat Liver
1 & 2 Arachanae Silk Gland
1 Putrid ooze
1, 2 & 3 Fetid Fluid
1, 2 &3 Bile Infested Goo
1 Pile of Rust
1 & 2 Shissar Fang (Not poison gland, the throwing item)

I cant remember exactly where all those are from sorry, gonna be all either Disease or Nightmare with the last being from Ssra. Has anyone tried the Mercuric Ore with a Celestial Essence or 2 for the 2nd resin? I dont think Drop of Mercury is what we're looking for.


Chaar Notatank, 61 Veteran of the Bristlebane server

[EZ_holyzwifta]

Maby you all think iam lazy but, i have bad ass problems to find all components in the zone. Anyone got a sec to help me out where to find them?

[ShadowCross]

Celestial Solvant, Peridots = DE vendor in a booth at the pool close to the poison vendors
Scent of Marr = DE poison vendor (left)
Sealed Vial, Etheral Suspension = DE poison vendor (middle)
Amber = DE poison vendor (middle)
Gnomish Spirits = gnome vendor on the south side of Library, outside one of the wooden houses

[EZ_feck opression]

Another time sink! YES! /sigh

I dont understand it. 95% of us will not use them for the simple fact that we dont have the time. 4-6 hrs a night raiding is not enough I guess. Lets just add another 2hrs for making/farming poisons. Its really upsetting that I dont have the time to explore my class to in its entirety because Verant is set on making these timesinks.

/boggle





f e c k . t r i b u n a l . a s s a s s i n Edited by: feck opression at: 10/25/02 6:14:32 am

[EZ_egraaf]

Can the container from the Renux quest be used to make 5-dose and 10-dose versions of older poisons too, or just the new PoP poisons?

--
Tivorr

[ShadowCross]

Doesn't work for old poisons.

[EZ_ThianRaven]

Shaman's combine 2 of the 5 dose sow potions to come up with a 10 dose btw, havent seen it mentioned

Thian - Assassin - Quellious Server

[EZ_Keltarin Stormshadow]

Can someone confirm the large block of clay must be enchanted?

Also, are the advanced vials tradable?

[EZ_Zyke]

I can confirm non-magic clay doesn't work.

and Advanced Vials are tradable, as are all other known components at this time.

[EZ_Ammon Talanton]

I do admit that while I am having fun learning about the new poisons, I still have some concerns. Many people are worried about the time required to gather components. I am more worried about the costs. While you can buy almost everything in the PoK, it is not cheap.

Celestial Solvent 0.1.5.0
Scent of Marr 1.8.7.5
Etheral Suspension 3.1.2.5
Sealed Vial 7.5.0.0
Peridot 12.5.0.0
Amber 3.1.2.5
Gnomish Spirits 0.0.7.5

Total 28pp 3gp 5sp for 10 minutes duration

That comes out to just over 170pp an hour in addition to the component time sink. What do you get for this? In my totally brief statistically invalid test of on poison, I had 9 procs in 10 minutes plus one critical in 10 minutes from Ingenuity (just over 200 dex). While a much more valid tests need to be done, this level of dps does not come close to being worth the cost. I simply can't afford it at this rate now matter how good it is. The better quality poisons will probably increase the dps a bit, but at the price of more components. We also need to worry about resists... I did my test on Va'Dyn (not saying he is the best subject, he is just who we were fighting at the time) and he resisted 7 of the 9 procs... ouch. Will work on some longer tests on normal mobs as I get more components (and would love to see other people's details).

Still, even keeping all this in mind, we should avoid jumping to conclusions until we know how all the poisons work. Maybe the black marble mortar is a trade skill item that will cost 5kpp to make but will have a permanent poison effect on it (ok not likely, but possible).

I have a lot of hope for this poison revamp, it's hard to believe VI will mess it up as badly as the first version. If they do though, I think it will be relegated to a few rogues with 20kpp to burn who only use it for hate reduction and mana drain on appropriate boss mobs.

Oh, also tried to put up Zombie Bane and Sting of the Shissar at the same time, and as expected the second did not hold. I figure there is still a slight chance that hate reduction might stick with damage poisons, etc... it would certainly be nice.

Ammon Talanton
Follower of The Tribunal
Noble Blade's, the Rathe

[EZ_holyzwifta]

any change to put into the sheet or post where those items drops that is the last component for the posions and maby off what mobb?

[Corinari]

I will try to add a listing of where these items drop but I am also looking at what other sources there are on drops.

[EZ_SirTink]

Is it possible the black marble mortar will act like Endless quiver for rangers, so whatever poison we have stays untill we change it?

[EZ_Lifty]

yet another compilation. i tried to make the whole process viewable as a whole, so it's in outline format.

Poison Outline

i gotta say i'm a bit underwhelmed with all this. in fact, i'll say that they took our already @#%$ up poison system, and made it more complicated, more costly, more time consuming, more confusing...add in needing a tinkerer or a chanter, more mindless farming, take away even more bankspace than before, and you have one big S.N.A.F.U.

sony can kiss my rogue ass.
Lifty Swiftpocket
Karana Rogue, Proud to serve Valoran

"Don't be afraid of the dark...be afraid of what's in it."Edited by: Lifty at: 10/25/02 1:43:31 pm

[RunawayRogue]

Tried a few combines today... all DNC

All were with Adv Vial, Celestial Suspension, and Amber Resin...

1, 2 Nodding blue lily
1, 2 Wax flower
1 lily + 1 flower
1, 2 Rock Fern

/begin Safehouse-friendly sig
Runaway McSneaky
Assassin of The Tribunal
Officer of Vis Veres
Husband of Xalliane

[EZ_twinbabas]

Lifty:

your price on the poison is way out of line. I admit it can be pricey, but your figures are way out of line.

28pp per new poison? hardly

You list a sealed vial for 7.5pp, (you must have a really low CHA). You list a peridot at 12pp, (I get them for 10.5). Regardless of that, you are not required to use either of these expensive items to make the new vials, (you can make them yourself). (yes, could be a bit more time consumely, but making Sealed vials is WAY much cheaper)

So subtract almost 20pp from the total.

Yes, perhaps a time sink to make it, but take a night off and do a mass combine session. Store the majority of it on a mule, or on a friends mule account, (so it's easier to access). Enchanted clay is easy to get, and for the actually components. Write up a list of the stuff you need and tell your friends. Mostly ALL of my poison stuff comes from friends collecting it for me. Twinbabas Meherdadas
60th Season Assassin
BristleBane Server

[EZ_Ammon Talanton]

Twinbabas,

Sorry, I was probably a bit unclear. Those prices are were listed as a response to the suggestion of buying everything in PoK. They are that high not because of cha, but because you are neutral to everyone. I haven't yet seen anything that gets your faction up with the merchants there (I checked the Planar Travelers Manual, it does not increase merchant faction at all). My point was that it's just not going to be possible to just buy components there unless there is a way to raise faction that someone finds in the future. It would be interesting to see someone calculate the costs if you make everything yourself, buy ingredients where you are ally. farm everything you can, etc. I will post those numbers when I get them if someone doesn't beat me too it, but I am also not at the point yet where I am worried about pricing, I am still in my test and explore phase.

Uh, to summarize more clearly, it's not worth it imho to make the new poisons by buying all the components in PoK, and probably never will be, even if you do get ally.

Ammon

[Pyrocat Moonstalker]

uhhh almost positive that I can get max prices with maxxed cha. 2 opal steins (25cha each, 25p each off some trader in bazaar) + Mask of Deception or Iksar = max cha for me, half elf rogue. I can get 190p for one diamond off an indiff vendor, which is the same I get off of ally dwarf vendor with max cha....

SO, if you have a couple cha items in the bank, then you can get cheapest prices even if the merchant is indiff

[EZ_Ammon Talanton]

The Grandmasters Seal has 50 cha on it. My cha was way over 100. Those were the exact prices they were charging. Nothing else I can say about it.

Ammon

[EZ_Frostdagger]

What is the Grandmaster's Seal? Do you mean Artisan's Seal?
If not how is this aquired? <img src="http://www.gaijindesign.com/lawriemalen/jedi/jedimaster.jpg" width="285" height="123" border="0">
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Master potter(125)

[Squink McPoke]

Do a search on the quest forum. Edited by: Squink McPoke at: 10/25/02 7:35:13 pm

[EZ_MeschifTheRogue]

Golden Ember Powder has been dropping in ToV recently.. poison related?

[Pyrocat Moonstalker]

well then you're doing something wrong, 144 cha for me with just a few cha items and I can get 6p 3gp per sealed vial and 10.5p per dot

[RunawayRogue]

Tried a couple more combines today... ALL DNC

Again with Adv Vial, Celestisl Suspension, and Amber Resin...

1, 2 Golden Ember powder
1, 2 Charcoal
1, 2 Mt Death Mineral Salts
1, 2 Acrylia Phosphate
1 Embalming Dust

It's evident (and pretty obvious) that none of the older components will work. However, I've been searching for any new stuff I can find and trying combinations like mad and so far have come up empty save for Phosphorous Powder.

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Runaway McSneaky
Assassin of The Tribunal
Officer of Vis Veres
Husband of Xalliane

[EZ_Lifty]

guys, you are missing the point. it IS expensive, whether a pdot costs 12pp or 10.5pp doesn't matter. BUT, money isn't the biggest concern here. (personally i don't even care about the price, because i don't have anything else to spend money on but ports. i know it screws the younger rogues though.)

the fact that we must now involve other classes/races in "our" skill sucks ass. the facts that it still involves farming @#%$ from all over, takes up MORE bankspace than before, takes longer to make, and requires a guide because it's so @#%$ complicated make it a horrible implementation. and that's just for the basic poisons. we don't even know how much more complicated this will get with more durable/exotic poisons.

it's gonna take an enormous amount of time to produce what will be used up fairly quickly. it will NOT be for general use. we will only be able to use these on select encounters because of the difficulty in making it. BUT, ya can't use it on boss mobs because they resist the @#%$ out of it!

we didn't get any skills or aa because we got this @#%$. forgive me if i think we got screwed. Edited by: Lifty at: 10/26/02 4:06:59 am

[EZ_Dokomo]

I'll agree with that. As a warrior potter, I hate going to enchanters to beg for magic clay. Probably just as much as you might hate going to me to get the vials.

[EZ_Charye Lupine]

Maybe i'm missing something but I dont think it's all that complicated and I love the new system and poisons. Ok, they most likely wont land very often on big mobs, so what? Was using the Shissar one (Can NOT remember the name of that) all day today and was loving it, really tames those spiders in Disease when you're duoing =)

As to how much inv. space it takes, so what? I fight and strive for every 1 dps I can get. Using a few inventory slots gets me a higher dps? I'm all for it!

It costs a lot? Yup, that's what a tradeskill is for. Dont like it dont do it, simple as that.

My one problem is this thread, it's more people whining than any relevant info and I'm sick of it. I come here to not only post a list of dnc's to help others but to look for info that other people have posted. To get to anything relevant I have to wade through all you people whining about things I dont care about and I'm betting the other people that are looking to this thread for info dont care either.

Whine someplace else please, leave this one for those of us with the perseverance (sp?) to do this, we're trying to better ourselves and you are getting in the way.

Yes I know this was hypocritical but it needed to be said imo, hopefully now those of us that care can get back to what this thread is for...

[Quepitus]

Hehe I farmed everything for, and made my own vials today. I'm not doing that again!

[Furtivus]

Good grief y'all can complain about anything. Enchant clay is an 8th level spell. If you're really sick at the thought of needing an enchanter, make an alt and within 15 minutes you'll have him level 8 to enchant all the clay you want.

Resist rates are not that bad for our advanced poisons. Minor irritation stuck on all Feshlak, Dagarn, and Eashen without a problem. As expected, Ikatier resisted most poisons.

I made my own vials last night. Took about 30 minutes to make 60 vials at a cost of around 6pp per vial (I bought the zombie skins in bazaar).

[EZ_traitmasters]

What do they mean by "an old vial" to combine with a peridot?

Cuzco metioned in this thread old vial = grandmaster vial?

pub146.ezboard.com/fthesa...5768.topic

regards,

[Squink McPoke]

"old vial" (sealed vial) + 1 peridot combined in a toolkit by a tinkerer yields one advanced poison vial. Trivial of 70.

[EZ_GreyKnight]

Someone please try this combination:

Advanced Poison Vial
Celestial Suspension
Mercury drop
Tainted Planar Essence
and any normal ingredient (dust of decay, shissar sack, etc)

I don't have access to essence, someone check it out

[EZ_Uber]

People seem to be complaining about the potential for these posions to proc little in the 10/15 mins they last, as compared to the cost/effort it takes to get them.

I think they should consider that new POP ability, Ingenuity I think its called, wont that increase procs by weapons and other forms?

[EZ_GreyKnight]

Think ingenuity just lets us crit with procs, not increase proc rate

[Underdawg Darogue]

Well we are getting a list together of components that make poisons but could we also get a list odf where those components drop? I mean the poison parts not the other things.

Where do the following drop

Dust of decay
Nardoo
clump of fungus
crystalized sulfer - nm found this one
Phosphorous Powder - burning woods off wurms I think.
tainted planar essence Edited by: Underdawg DaRogue at: 10/26/02 4:12:56 pm

[EZ_Traduce]

Phosphorous powder - BW giants or wurms
Dust of Decay - Random Mobs in Howling Stones; PoValor; Karnor's
Nardoo - Knight of the Dread sun, Scarlet Desert
Clump of Fungus - Fungus Grove
Crytalized Sulfer - random
Shissar Venom Sack - Ssra
Tainted Planar Essence - PoN; PoD; Crypt of Decay
Undead Shissar Venom Sack - Ssra
Golden Ember Powder - ToV; PoI Edited by: Traduce at: 10/27/02 9:28:56 am

[Corinari]

Updated my spreadsheet and html generated from it with latest recipe's, purchasable component locations, dropped component locations and poison component recipe's. Some of this information is still coming in.

html version
Excel version

EDIT:completed the Poisons Components section as I know it

Corinari Thrombosis
55 Rogue
Karana Edited by: corinari at: 10/27/02 12:24:24 am

[Underdawg Darogue]

I was told by 2 people I got dust of decay from Plane of Valor and Karnors. Just may be random as well.

Where can you get mercuric ore? Edited by: Underdawg DaRogue at: 10/26/02 8:25:07 pm

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

Great spreadsheet!
Osprey
Assassin
Triad Continuum

[EZ_Dulok the Rogue]

Mercuric Ore is sold by Poison vendor in PoK. Same guy that tells you about poisons, name is at top of thread. Dulok - 60 Rogue
Durrific - Master Tinkerer
Heaven and Earth

[Squink McPoke]

I made a thread and intend to keep it up to date about what has been tried and did not combine, for both tier 1 and tier 2 new poisons. Thread title is "Comprehensive DNC list".

Let's keep this thread full of recipes that work, and use the above thread to track what has been tried but failed.

[Underdawg Darogue]

Thanks Dulok Now if only Gnomish spirits were sold somewhere other then Ak'Anon

[Squink McPoke]

They are, they are sold in Plane of Knowledge by a gnome called Caden something. South of the library ... west and just a bit north of the gnomes that sell tinkering supplies. Edited by: Squink McPoke at: 10/27/02 3:30:27 am

[RunawayRogue]

All right, we're really on to something here! We've figured out that there's more than one type of extra non-poisonous component (amber resin, drop of mercury) and the different tier'd poisons are using the same components SO FAR...

I'm gonna run some mercury/planar essence tests on other known poison regents to see what I get...

[EZ_Da Rannt]

Scoriae Sting= Adv. Vial, Celestial Susp, Drop of Mercury, Phosphorous powder, Golden Ember.


Kieren
61 Assassin
Da Rannt
53rd Ogre Rogue

[Squink McPoke]

Ah-hah, that rules out tainted planar essence in every tier 2 poison. Soooo many combos to try =(

[EZ_GreyKnight]

2 5-dose poisons in the renux bag will not combine into a 10 dose

[EZ_Frostdagger]

Ok, I did my search in quests and came up with nothing, so someone tell me how to make the damn seal or at least throw me a link. <img src="http://www.gaijindesign.com/lawriemalen/jedi/jedimaster.jpg" width="285" height="123" border="0">
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[EZ_KayleighDrake]

One of these was already posted:

Scoria bite= golden ember powder + phosphorus crystal (+ mercury + vial + suspension)

Bite of the shissar also works with a shissar venom sack and phosphorus crystals
Osprey
Assassin
Triad Continuum

[EZ_Lyralie]

Frost:

If you go to the Quests of Norrath thread, there is a long topic on a quest with Renux for the Seal. That should have all the info you need and some you don't.

[EZ_Slott Matchyn]

The whole point of some of these components is so that you don't need to hunt greens for them - You can use them in place of others for the same poison(making it far easier than always going to ssra for shissar sting - you can you planar essence instead, which drops alot more often)

[EZ_Murr Durr]

Clearly verant is showing the superiority of gnomes here. Who needs a tinkerer when you can do it yourself?

*runs off to tinker some advanced vials* Edited by: Murr Durr at: 10/27/02 12:09:55 pm

[Underdawg Darogue]

No kidding. Go gnome rogues!

[Squink McPoke]

Damn gnomes!

[EZ_Da Rannt]

Mental Implosion= Adv. Vial, Celest. Susp., Drop Mercury, Nardoo, Autumn Crocus.

Just speculation but it appears the Tier 2's all use one component of the tier one poison of the same effect plus an additional component.

Kieren
61 Assassin
Da Rannt
53 Ogre Rogue

[EZ_Traduce]

Autumn Crocus:
www.holisticonline.com/He...bs/h12.htm
heh

[EZ_Zanoan]

Where is the Autumn Crocus from? Rarity, etc. =)

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from Sseru

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[EZ_Jazzifruit]

Maybe this is already posted somewhere correctly in this thread, but I saw a couple mentions of phosphorus powder being dropped in BW. This may be true as well, but I know for certain it drops in huge amounts (often 2 per frog) in Lguk (I was on dead side, killing frogs in magi and lord camp). I believe it is part of a hate reduction and/or debuff poison, but I'm not certain on that part
Jazzmine Strife
Carpe Nocturnus

[EZ_meyekal]

I made some advanced poison vials last night with pottery. It results in 2 unfired viles. Mkaes the cost of making your own vials less then half of what it costs to go the tinkerer route.

[EZ_Ulrick]

well techinclly there are 3 ways to make adv vials

1 buy peri, buy sealed to make 1 vial cost best cha
16p8g per vial

2 buy peri and pottery a sealed cost to make best cha
12p4g5s8c

3 make the thing from scratch ( farm unrest yard for about 1 hour ) then make get some clay enchanted cost best cha 2p3g8s3c ( yield of 2 is the kicker here)

then remeber the cost of suspen and resin min cost 6p0g6s6c

but for the effect and stacking and ( seeming ease of reagants ( no matter what any one says they are easier to get and faster than old poiosns)
these kick ass and i for one say its about time we can proc and stack our poiosns..

Ullrick Assassin of Brell on Luclin.

[EZ_Lilara d Estra]

Purified water is a brewing combination (brew barrel), trivials at 113 or so.

I don't remember if it was said above, but Drop of Mercury is Mercuric Ore + Gnomish spirit in a Mortar and Pestle, yields 2 for each combination. [b]Ibby Bay
[b]Assassin for Keepers of the Faith
[b]Magelo Bandwagon

[EZ_Cily]

purified water trivials at 58.

Cily

[EZ_Tevahn NVez]

Mangled Tendon (Effect: Waste Poison)
Recipie: Advanced Poison Vial + Celestial Suspension + Drop of Mercury + Dust of Decay + Plague Mites

Tevahn N'Vez
Assassin of Dreadstorm
Firiona Vie Server

[Corinari]

Updated spreadsheet with latest trival's and new recipe.

html version
Excel version

Corinari Thrombosis
55 Rogue
Karana

[EZ_Da Rannt]

Oozzing irritation = Adv. Vial, Celest Susp., Drop of Mercury, Fungal Clump, Twilight worms.

So far all the recipes seem to confirm it's the Tier one component plus a different component.

Kieren
61 Rogue
Da Rannt
53rd Ogre rogue

[EZ_Gilgame Heart]

where are the advanced vial sketches sold anyway?

[EZ_Ranna Swiftpaw]

I can confirm you CAN make 10 dose poisons.

I made a batch of 10 sting of the shissar tonight since I had a ton of the essence from killing goblins the other night. Filled the coffin with 10 vials. Clicked combine, and voila. 10 dose of Sting of the Shissar.


Does alchemy work in a similar fashion, or can they combine 5 + 5 to make a 10?


Lastly, the dex debuff poison I'm betting has a component from either a zone we haven't been frequenting much. Or it's some off the wall thing we haven't thought of trying.


Given the level range of the zones these components are dropping from, using that range as a guide might help to narrow things down a bit.



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Edited by: Shadowcross at: 10/29/02 9:59:57 am

[EZ_Dulok the Rogue]

5+5 does not work =( Dulok - 63 Rogue
Durrific - Master Tinkerer
Heaven and Earth

[EZ_Sorlun]

Rage of Incapacitation
Wasted Flesh
Dreams of Drusella

Combining these three posions in a bone bottle will result in a new item which is turned in to a Gnome for a Sketch book part. See the Sketch book post.


Good luck

Orlun, 59 Rogue (gmas) Xev <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=359886">Orlun's Gear</a>

[EZ_Taradin Soulcaller]

has anyone tried applying two poisons at once.. one main one secondary?

Taradin Soulcaller
Assassin of Ayonae Ro
Exiled Alliance

[Squink McPoke]

It's a buff. You don't apply it to your weapons (it just says that as text). Rather, you "apply" it and you get a buff icon that lasts 10 minutes for tier 1, 15 for tier 2 .. and you can proc on any hit. Rather like ranger spell call of earth (I think that's the one) or the paladin spell that does similar.

[EZ_Dulok the Rogue]

anyone ask theg m about those poisons maybe he gives receipe Dulok - 63 Rogue
Durrific - Master Tinkerer
Heaven and Earth

[EZ_Viscer Spineshank]

I'm sorry, did I miss the recipies for those three poisons that you combined?

[Corinari]

please post the recipe's for the three you mention. I do not have those listed yet.

EDIT:removed my sig

Corinari Edited by: corinari at: 10/28/02 2:05:53 pm

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

Nobody has those recipies. He's just repeating what the rogue trainer asked for in the sketch quest.
Osprey
Assassin
Triad Continuum

[EZ_Sorlun]

Sorry for the confusion. No known recipies yet. Those 3 missing ones are all that remains to solve the "Sketch book" quest in the "quest of Norrath" section. Hopefully this will result in the "Black marble Mortar" .

Orlun <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=359886">Orlun's Gear</a>

[EZ_Dulok the Rogue]

Knowing VI we will probably have to potter our stupid new mortar and pestle Dulok - 63 Rogue
Durrific - Master Tinkerer
Heaven and Earth

[Underdawg Darogue]

yeah and at 250 skill no less i bet.

[Garavic]

Nestral Tgaza the female dark elf GM in freeport mentions that when she spoke to the dark assassin he gave her the recipe for a black marble mortar and pestal that requires a black pearl powder. She says using this powder with the same formula as a magic bowl one could make a new black marble mortar and pestle. She also mention that he told her to find a potter at the pinnacle of their career or the materials would be wasted. She would not respond to anything I asked her.

edit - Added details Baron Garavic 58th Blackguard
Redeemed shadowscout of Bristlebane
Officer of the Mithril Heart BrigadeEdited by: Garavic at: 10/28/02 12:40:01 pm

[EZ_Sorlun]

Grats to Jasek on Povar for making the first two of the three poisons!

lets get the 3rd.

RAGE OF INCAPACIATION:
Advanced Poison Vial + Drop of Mercury + Celestial Suspension + Wax Flower + Golden Ember Powder + Sluggish Sketch
(sketch is returned after combine)

WASTED FLESH:
Advanced Poison Vial + Drop of Mercury + Celestial Suspension + Plague Mites + Ocean Ink + Vein Rot Sketch
(sketch is returned after combine)

DREAMS OF DRUSELLA
Advanced Poison Vial + Drop of Mercury + Celestial Suspension + ?????? + ?????? + Remiss sketch
(sketch is returned after combine)

edited Edited by: Sorlun at: 10/28/02 3:37:29 pm

[EZ_Traduce]

Well done!

[EZ_Jasek Evil]

Btw props to the guy that did this table:

home.attbi.com/~t.haws/ro...oisons.htm

cos it helped me extrapolate what items to try and combine. =) Doing xp now, so someone else figure out the other recipes so I can get them done too.=P

[Garavic]

Sorlun you have the sketches reversed on the first two. Baron Garavic 58th Blackguard
Redeemed shadowscout of Bristlebane
Officer of the Mithril Heart Brigade

[EZ_Rhus]

This is being discussed at EQTraders. Thread can be found here.

[EZ_Sorlun]

The black mortar portion of the quest is being talked about at EQtraders and over in the "quest of norrath" forum here in Thesafehouse.

This post focuses on new poison recipes, three of which are needed for 1 sketch of the Sketch book quest.

We need to find the third posion recipe A.S.A.P.

How all these quest come together is still a mystery and is very exciting. Is the Black Mortar even related to the Sketchbook? What IS the Black Mortar? fun fun.

Good job all who have helped.

Orlun

[EZ_Ragwheed]

I the sketch book thread soemone lists 3 sketches and has a ? after 4. Isn't the sketch book 4 slots? Wonder what happens if we put all 4 in the sketch book and combine.

[EZ_noctur]

Are the sketches purchaseable for those poisons or do you have to make/quest for them ?

[EZ_Sorlun]

all four have been discovered or identified.

pub146.ezboard.com/fthesa...5804.topic

has it all covered. Just have to get the sketch that results from combining and turning in the 3 poisons and the Sketchbook can be combined.

Who knows what that combine will produce... :-) wheee


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[EZ_Lyralie]

NT Edited by: Lyralie at: 10/28/02 4:09:28 pm

[EZ_Felonious Behavior]

Im anxious for the walkthru.. do this.. say this.. get this.. do this.. get this..etc.. hit combine..

anyone gonna put one together..

posting for updates..thanks for all the great work.. Edited by: Felonious Behavior at: 10/28/02 5:46:22 pm

[ShadowCross]

Quote:Im anxious for the walkthru.. do this.. say this.. get this.. do this.. get this..etc.. hit combine..

All the info is either here, in Quests or Back Alley.

How about reading about it, instead of getting it spoon-fed? If you are too lazy to inform yourself here on the board, the poisons won't be anything for you at all, because they are a lot of work for little result.

[EZ_Niami DenMother]

Edit: nevermind, she already posted over here as well in this thread

~Mum Edited by: Niami DenMother at: 10/28/02 6:59:43 pm

[EZ_Sorlun]

Just finished figuring out the final quest poison (2nd tier)
Also got 3 new 1st Tier poisons during the research process.

Tier 1

Anger of Incapacitation:
Adv vial + Celest susp + Amber Resin + Wax Flower + Sluggish Sketch
(sketch is returned)

Confusing Dreams:
Adv vial + Celest susp + Amber Resin + Nodding Blue Lilly + Remiss Sketch
(sketch is returned)

Withering Flesh:
Adv vial + Celest susp + Amber Resin + Ocean Ink + vein crush sketch
(sketch is returned)

Tier 2 (final quest poison)

Dreams of Drusella:
Adv vial + Celest susp + Drop of mercury + Nodding Blue Lilly + twilight worms + remiss Sketch
(sketch is returned)

**

The tier 2 poison is combined with 2 other tier 2 poisons in a bone bottle to make "bundle of poisons"

Give that to the gnome rogue GM and get the 4th sketch from the Sketch book quest (see thesafehouse.org)

Result of combining 4 sketches is a "Master sketch" which is a substitute for the 3 notes used in the above poisons and in as yet undiscovered poisons!

Whew.

Special thanks to Bayler 59 rogue Xev for support.
Extra Special thanks to Shamu, 57 Shaman, Xev who helped me crack the poison recipies.

Orlun, 59th rogue, Xev

<edited to make it clearer> <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=359886">Orlun's Gear</a>Edited by: Sorlun at: 10/28/02 11:46:35 pm

[Corinari]

Great work Sorlun!

Updated spreadsheet with latest trival's and new recipe.

html version
Excel version

Working now on getting this info on to a double sided sheet of paper for use in game and playing around with a more complete web site with all the associated quests.

Hell I'm having a ball and I just made my first Advanced Poison last night and have yet to use it.

Corinari Thrombosis
55 Rogue
Karana

[EZ_Sorlun]

Using the logical progression of the other recipies...

Spine Rend would be similar to Spine Bruiser as follows:
Adv Vial + Celest Susp + Drop of mercury + Crystalized Sulfer + ???

Oozing Irritations would be similar to Minor irritation as follows:
Adv Vial + Celest Susp + Drop of mercury + Clump of Fungus + ???

I also suspect the fourth sketch is needed (or the master sketch ) for Itching Madness (tier 1) and for Scratching Madness (tier 2). Try combines for these with the sketch and see if it works.

hope this helps in your combining. Just find the last ingreadiant.

Orlun


<edited to add> Great spreadsheets! I would add in the quest part that Lobal Postugger in Akonon returns the 4th sketch when given the "bunch of Poisons" you get by combining the three quest poisions in the Bone bottle. You then get the Master sketch by combining the 4 sketches in the "sketch book" you purchase in th poison vendor area of Plane of Knowledge 2100pp. The step about combining the 3 poisons in a bone bottle means you HAVE to have the Grandmasters Assassin Seal to finish this.
Edited by: Sorlun at: 10/29/02 12:16:34 am

[EZ_Shadowed Knife]

Big Grats on the Master Sketch Sorlun..


Ocean ink come from Sea Horses in Kedge and SG
Nodding Blue Lily drop off Frogs in OS

And the Teir 2 Poisons are not trivial at 250 with GMAS



Shadowed Knife
E-marr Edited by: Shadowed Knife at: 10/29/02 2:50:44 am

[EZ_Ranna Swiftpaw]

I picked up Mechanical Clockwork Poison (no drop) in Innovation tonight. Looks like a Doz dropped Tear. Anyone know what it's for?


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Edited by: Shadowcross at: 10/29/02 9:55:29 am

[EZ_Felonious Behavior]

Quote:If you are too lazy to inform yourself

evidently it wasnt such a bad idea seeing as though its now a sticky in the lab forum where to which you have added info instead of callin folks lazy and pointing them to other threads to find out..

Maybe I wasnt clear.. Ive been following this thread since inception.. reading it all the way through.. with everyone helpin out and puttin in their tidbit of information it gets a bit scrambled in the brain thats all .. hence my suggestion for a summation.. sheesh..

relax friend.. great job .. hats off..

im sorry my suggestion got construed as me being lazy..

Felonious Behavior
61st rogue
GM Pottery
GM Poison Making Edited by: Felonious Behavior at: 10/29/02 9:42:55 am

[EZ_Silenci0]

can a DROP OF MERCURY be made by trade skill? i went over all the boards trying to find out, cant seem to find it. i could almost swear someone posted a recipe. i know it drops rare off elementals all over norrath.

-thanks

[EZ_fujen01]

Mercuric Ore + Gnomish Spirits

60 Marauder Fujen @ The Nameless server

[EZ_RanjaInno]

Aye, its Mercuric Ore + Gnomish Spirits (1 each, yields 2 drops) and the confusion comes mainly from some of us calling it "mercuric resin" because it fills the tier2 role of amber resin.
Ranja
61 FatAssAssin
of Elder Force, Innoruuk

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=151996

[EZ_HinterDir]

where is mercuric ore found?

[EZ_Tukais]

You can get it from Ciren Darkbog at -130, 1425 in PoK. Tukais Eilistraee
61 Vah Shir Assassin
My Gear

[EZ_Makkil]

In PoK at the poison supply vendors.

[EZ_nwardezir]

This need to be confirmed.

Nooding Blue Lily seems be sold by the dwarf girl (Kafia Ratsbone maybe) up the bank stairs in North Kaladim.
I checked her yesterday, saw the flowers, bought 1 stack, 2 stacks ... I gave up at 5 stacks.

2 cases :
- or she's a standard Lily's seller
- or someone spent days in Seb and went sell in Kaladim

I just need a double-check fellahs.


Odastre Perceflanc (GMAS)
Dwarf-Polymorphic Assassin - Karana

EDIT : added girl's name Edited by: nwardezir at: 10/30/02 8:09:35 am

[EZ_Sorlun]

Bumping this because its been 2 days and no progress. If no one gets it by tonight, i will try and get it done...

Spine Rend would be similar to Spine Bruiser as follows:
Adv Vial + Celest Susp + Drop of mercury + Crystalized Sulfer + ???

Oozing Irritations would be similar to Minor irritation as follows:
Adv Vial + Celest Susp + Drop of mercury + Clump of Fungus + ???

I also suspect the Dip Resist sketch is needed (or the master sketch ) for Itching Madness (tier 1) and for Scratching Madness (tier 2).

Itching Madness:
Adv Vial + Celest Susp + Amber Resin + ??? + Dip resist sketch (or Master Sketch)

Scratching Madness:
Adv Vial + Celest Susp + Drop of Mercury + *??? + ??? + Dip resist sketch (or Master Sketch)
*??? should be same as ??? in Itching Madness

Lets get these figured out fast.

Orlun, 59th rogue, Xev

holder of the Grandmaster Assassin Seal
keeper of the Master Sketch
sayer of massive Bullscat
Edited by: Sorlun at: 10/30/02 10:02:14 am

[Dasche]

Someone posted earlier in this thread:

Oozing Irratation =
Adv Vial + Celest Susp + Drop of Mercury + Clump of Fungus + Twilight Worms

What about Mayong's Bane? Did I miss that one in the thread somewhere?

Adv Vial + Celest Susp + Drop of Mercury + Undead Shissar Venom Sack + ???

[EZ_KhalenSilverThorn]

As for Mayongs Bane....


Has anyone been hunting in MistMoore lately? Perhaps the answer to the missing reagents lies in the vampire lords own home.

I know a lot of other old world zones got new drops.... why not MM, an underused zone as it is. Alturick Shadowalker
Assassin of Redemption and member of TSF

[EZ_DIVISION FreeBirth]

Because the zone is green to any one doing these poisons and all the poison drops have been added to npc's people in the 50+ range would be fighting for exp.

[EZ_Chaid Duskwalker]

>> I picked up Mechanical Clockwork Poison (no drop) in Innovation tonight. Looks like a Doz dropped Tear. Anyone know what it's for? <<

"Poison" or "Venom"? I have "Mechanical Clockwork Venom" banked -- dropped in PoI. No idea what it's used for yet.

Maybe it is used to make a tinkered, rechargeable device that applies a unique poison. That would be cool, assuming the effect is useful. Guess it's time to start hailing NPCs and asking "what mechanical clockwork venom?".

[Azharan]

Just needing a confirmation: Is one of the new components Golden Ember Dust or Golden Ember Powder? Or are they the same?

[Underdawg Darogue]

.wrong I guess Edited by: Underdawg DaRogue at: 10/30/02 1:55:21 pm

[EZ_Freyya]

Golden Ember *Powder* has been dropping in HoT.

[Azharan]

Golden Ember PPowder is for sale by a merchant in PoT as well. Not sure if it's a vendor item or dumped there by a player as I was on a CR at the time, hence the question.

[EZ_DIVISION FreeBirth]

powder works

[Karadin]

I understand the recipe for the following poisons to be:

WASTED FLESH:
Advanced Poison Vial
Drop of Mercury
Celestial Suspension
Wax Flower
Golden Ember Powder
Vein Rot Sketch
(sketch is returned after combine)

RAGE OF INCAPACIATION:
Advanced Poison Vial
Drop of Mercury
Celestial Suspension
Plague Mites
Ocean Ink
Sluggish Sketch
(sketch is returned after combine)

I tried both of those recipes in a Marble Mortar & Pestle and got DNC. I tried both in a Coffin Bottles and got DNC. I tried both in a Mortar & Pestle and got DNC. Any clue on what could be wrong? I notice on the spreadsheet the "Resin" column lists a "Mercury Resin", could that be a step I'm not making? Is a Drop of Mercury the right component or do I need to combine it with something to make a "Mercury Resin"?

I know I have the right parts listed above, as I have triple and quadruple checked the ingredients in the containers before and after attempts and still can't get even a failure. Are the recipes mixed up? Just going through all the possibilities here trying to brainstorm why it's not combining. Can anyone verify that those are the recipes and in what container they used to make them?

[EZ_Ammon Talanton]

Short answer, try switching the sketches.

Ammon

[EZ_fujen01]

Quote:WASTED FLESH:
Advanced Poison Vial
Drop of Mercury
Celestial Suspension
Wax Flower
Golden Ember Powder
Vein Rot Sketch
(sketch is returned after combine)

RAGE OF INCAPACIATION:
Advanced Poison Vial
Drop of Mercury
Celestial Suspension
Plague Mites
Ocean Ink
Sluggish Sketch
(sketch is returned after combine)



WASTED FLESH :
Advanced Poison Vial
Drop of Mercury
Celestial Suspension
Wax Flower
Golden Ember Powder
Sluggish Sketch

RAGE OF INCAPACIATION :
Advanced Poison Vial
Drop of Mercury
Celestial Suspension
Plague Mites
Ocean Ink
Vein Rot Sketch


61 Marauder Fujen @ The Nameless server

[EZ_noctur]

reverse those formulas listed above and you have the actual formulas Noctur Docter
Level 60 Assassin
Ashen Vendetta
Innoruuk
"Nothing makes me smile more than a turned back ..."

[Cyynn]

Aye someone has reversed two of the sketches. I just tried them all till one worked.

I am now the proud owner of the Masters sketch. It can be used with at least 3 of the poisons that need individual sketches.

Now I need to find a potter that is more skilled than my current 148. Veteran Cyynn <Clan Steelbear>

61 Assassin

'Last one in. First one out!'

[Corinari]

Well first it started with the spreadsheet to collect all the new recipe's. Then the Grandmasters Assassin's Seal was found, then the sketch quests, then the Black Marble Mortar and Pestle. All these related to the new Advanced Poisons. It was getting to be too much for one spreadsheet and hard to print out. So as I mentioned in a previous post I started creating a web page to gather this all together (at least for my own use).

So here it is for you to use.

Corinari's Guide to Advanced Poisons

I still have the Excel sheet but will soon stop updating this in favor of the website and the new One Sheet Reference. This guide is designed to be printed double sided so it is one sheet. I keep this one printed at my computer while I play. It has the poison recipe's, component recipe's and component locations. This will be converted to pdf soon.

Note: This has been updated since it was pointed out I had the sketch's switched on Rage of Incapacitation and Wasted Flesh.

Corinari Thrombosis
55 Rogue
Karana

[EZ_Silenci0]

very nice website.

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

Corinari -

Excellent job, and I thank you for pulling together info that I otherwise would have had to do for myself to keep it all straight.

One thing:

After creating your GMAV, you can summon no rent bags. Whee. However if you give one of these no-rent bags to the gnome on the balcony of the bazaar who sells magician spells, he will give you a Grandmaster's Satchel - a 10 slot, 100pct weight reduction bag that is not norent. A nice little bonus. Since most rogues are probably going to create their GMAV as a step to getting their GMAS, they may not realize this or forget it, so you may wish to mention it on your GMAV page so they get this benefit.

Kudos!
Osprey
Assassin
Triad Continuum

[EZ_fujen01]

I just went Corinari's Guide to Advanced Poisons website again.
I found something ...

Tier One :
Advanced Poison Vial + Celestial Suspension + Amber Resin + Wax Flower + Sluggish Sketch or Master Sketch = Anger of Incapacitation or Withering Flesh ????
I guess it should be Withering Flesh not Anger of Incapacitation .

see Tier Two : Wasted Flesh = Advanced Poison Vial + Celestial Suspension + Drop of Mercury + Wax Flower + Golden Ember Dust + Sluggish Sketch or Master Sketch
Withering Flesh and Wasted Flesh should be same DoT type .
Anger of Incapacitation and Rage of Incapacitation should be same type too .
Anger of Incapacitation and Withering Flesh , poison name or recipes seems need to switch ?? I cant on line do the test in this 2 days , but i guees some info r incorrect ...

61 Marauder Fujen @ The Nameless server

[Azharan]

Awesome job! I've been using your site since I first saw it posted. Thank you!

One Question though; in the Advanced Poison Recipes page the recipe for Withering Flesh calls for a Vein Crush Sketch. Rage of Incapacitation calles for a Vein Rot Sketch. Aren't they one and the same? Which is the proper name? Edited by: Azharan at: 10/31/02 7:46:39 am

[EZ_noctur]

His formulas are wrong for those 2.

Rage of Incapacitation = adv vial + celest suspension + drop of mercury + wax flower + golden ember powder + Sluggish Sketch

Wasted Flesh = adv vial + celest suspension + drop of mercury + plague mites + ocean ink + vein rot sketch
Noctur Docter
Level 60 Assassin
Ashen Vendetta
Innoruuk
"Nothing makes me smile more than a turned back ..."

[EZ_noctur]

Anyone having any luck with the last few tier 2 poisons ? The 10 resists one looks useful. I have completed all the quests so far, have GMS + marble mortar and pestle + master sketch. Has anyone seen some strange poison components that might be worth a shot to make the last few poisons ?
Noctur Docter
Level 60 Assassin
Ashen Vendetta
Innoruuk
"Nothing makes me smile more than a turned back ..."

[EZ_JJ the rogue]

dont forget when working on the last poison try for the tier 1 poison first then you just have 1 more componet to figure out for the tier 2 poison. ill be trying as soon as i can get to hate so i can get my last sketch =). <img src=http://lara.wortech.ac.uk/mpeggs/images/wav_anim/sciktga.gif>
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[Corinari]

I thought I had the sketches switched but turns out I had the whole recipe's for Rage of Incapacitation and Wasted Flesh switched. Corrected that.

Corinari's Guide to Advanced Poisons

One Sheet Reference.

Corinari Thrombosis
55 Rogue
Karana

[Azharan]

Don't forget the Sketch names! Vein Rot or Vein Crush?

[EZ_Ammon Talanton]

I just had to post this. I decided to try a couple Identify's to see if there were any clues.

Grandmaster Assassins Seal - Assassin's Seal that glows with a sickly light.
Marble Mortar and Pestle - Marble Mortar and Pestle
Master Sketch - Master Sketch of Poison Creation

and

Coffin Poison Bottle - Your dreams have been answered.
Someone has a nice sense of humor.

Ammon

[EZ_fujen01]

We know Tier two that 2 wrong sketch switch already .
But how about Tier one Anger of Incapacitation and Withering Flesh ???? anyone checked this 2 again ??? the recipes is correct but poison name seems need to switch .


61 Marauder Fujen @ The Nameless server

[EZ_Slidin the Assassin]

Itching madness rock fern(pod comon drop), avdanced vial, celestial suspension, amber resin, master sketch(probably dip sketch if single not sure)

[Crillan]

I didn't read through all the posts because I'm lazy :P but I combined 10 rage of incapacitation in the coffin poison bottle and it combined to make a 10 charge potion and returned 10 advanced poison vials in a stack along with it. Very nice. I made 12 out of 19 tries at 250 skill and 5% make poison mod. Crillan Kidneypoker<BR>
60 Human Rogue of Valon<BR>
Terris Thule

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[Corinari]

Crillian,

Just to clarify you are saying when you combined 10 poisons you recieved ONE 10 dose poison and TEN Advanced Vials? If so that is great.

Wonder if this is a bug or a feature. Edited by: corinari at: 10/31/02 3:45:43 pm

[EZ_Felonious Behavior]

Only having to make vials for the ones you failed on? That would be awesome wouldnt it..

as a whole.. making the new poisons is a helluva lot more involved.. might make sense they would cut us a break somewhere.. but i thought gettin the coffin bottle was our payoff.. hhhehee

Im bettin its a bug.. but im praying its not..

Felonious

[EZ_Sorlun]

Aye, this is big if it holds true. I have made pleanty of ten dose potions using Tier one poisons. None have given me vials back. Will try Tier two poisons tonight. Would love to see this be a patched change as it would REALLY help the bottom line for making poisons. Speaking of this, I would love to see an empty vial appear on your cursor after you apply the poison. After all, my rogue would (A) not leave behind evidence and would pocket the empty. (B) would not litter :-) (C) would be frugal enought to reuse what-ever he could.

Hope to see confirmation on this and other combines. Try the 5 potion combines too.

Orlun, 59 rogue, Xev

[EZ_Ammon Talanton]

Just tried it with the 5 poison combine (Tier 1 and 2) and got 5 vials back. Very very nice. The failure rate is still a bit high for the level 2 poisons (can you say Poison Mastery), but I don't mind that so much if in the end I get a usable, *cost effective* poison ability, and with this change it is definately looking like we are in the right range imho. At the moment the only real long term required expenses are the Ethereal Suspensions and arguably the Mercuric Ore (I haven't found what I consider to be any decent camp spots for the Drops of Mercury, but I am itching to get to the earth based planes to see if it drops there).

Assuming this is new with the patch, it's very nice to see VI keeping an eye on things and making such a prompt change to make poisons more reasonable.

Ammon Talanton
Follower of the Tribunal
Noble Blades, the Rathe

[Crillan]

mercury drops in the hole hehe Crillan Kidneypoker<BR>
60 Human Rogue of Valon<BR>
Terris Thule

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[EZ_DominionAssassin]

HA! YeS!

I was making a few batches today and noticed when I combined my 10 poisons in the coffin bottle, I got my 10 advanced vials back! Hallle@*?@leuuya!

I made three 10dose teir 1 poisons today with no fails, all with the same reused 10 vials, and those very same vials now sit in my bank waiting for my next poison session!

Ol' Fizzle has finally accepted my bloody offerings and answered a poor rogues prayers!


Marauder Thurgle Tinglespine, Quellious
*Happy Spinetinglin' & May all yer spawn be Kwik!*

[Corinari]

Now that is a very nice development in the poisons.

/cheer for the poison coders.

Oh, and Azharan my list is now consistent in refering to the Vein Rot Sketch.

Corinari Thrombosis
55 Rogue finally wielding Ragebringer
Karana

[RunawayRogue]

Corinari... hehe I know it's been said before but VERY VERY nice job compiling all the info... my hat's off to you :)

hehe I keep printouts of the page alongside me at all times, helped me a lot when trying to discover new poisons.

/begin Safehouse-friendly sig
Runaway McSneaky
Assassin of The Tribunal
Officer of Vis Veres
Husband of Xalliane

[EZ_Zanoan]

Same as Thurgle.

Nice little addition.

Generally I think all this poison stuff is very good. The new quests etc. brings in the rogues in a whole "new" perspective.

Thumbs up for that development. <DT><CENTER>___________________<BR>
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[EZ_Makkil]

Hmm, I did a 5 dose combine and got no vials back. Could this have been in the new patch? Or maybe just for the 10 dose?

M.

[EZ_noctur]

I made a bunch of poison last night, got all my vials back on both 5 and 10 charge versions.
Noctur Docter
Level 61 Assassin
Ashen Vendetta
Innoruuk
"Nothing makes me smile more than a turned back ..."

[EZ_Sorlun]

Need confirmation on the Vial return thing.

Please post if you Succeed or Fail on getting your vials back for...

1. Tier one poisons (5 stack)
2. Tier one poisons (10 stack)
3. Tier two poisons (5 stack)
4. Tier two poisons (10 stack)
5. Have the Master sketch... yes/no
6. Have AAXP points in "poison mastery" yes/no

Hopefully we can narrow down why some are getting vials back and some are not.

Orlun, 59 rogue, Xev

[EZ_NedraNightblade]

Poison mastery .... no

Only tier 2 attempted got all vials back for 5 and 10 charges
(Mangled Tendon and Bite of Shissar)

Master Sketch yes Nedra NightBlade
Another member of the Rogue Horde of Silent Redemption

I have my own little world. But it's OK...they know me here.
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[yoswamp]

Advanced Poison Vial
Celestial Suspension
Drop of Mercury
Undead Shissar Venom Sack
Acryla Grubs

= Mayong's Bane. lvl 2 Undead DD.

i can't verify the grubs drop in acryla, they were on a vendor for the normal poison reg price and i tried them.
______________
Swampo - Grandmaster Marauder
<Numinous> - Tarew Marr

[EZ_noctur]

Vials returned yes:

GMAS
Master Sketch
Marble Mortar and Pestle

on both 5 and 10 charge versions.
Noctur Docter
Level 61 Assassin
Ashen Vendetta
Innoruuk
"Nothing makes me smile more than a turned back ..."

[EZ_Qwillian]

Made 10 dose Bite of the Shissar

10 Adv Vials returned.

Have GMAS only. No sketch, no marble m&p, no points in Poison Mastery.

If this isn't just some quirky new bug then I'm one happy poison maker.

[EZ_noctur]

figured out scratching madness.

adv vial + celest susp + drop of mercury + rock fern + autumn crocus + master sketch (most likely dip resist sketch would work.) Noctur Docter
Level 61 Assassin
Ashen Vendetta
Innoruuk
"Nothing makes me smile more than a turned back ..."

[EZ_LanlaanaShadowstepp]

Did some tests today on stacking poisons w/ other rogues for raids. Mangled tendon(-60 str) and Rage of incapacitation (-60dex) do not stack, BUT Rage of incapacitation and cripple do. Also Oozing irritation and Mangled tendon do stack so figure dex debuff does too if you switch.

BTW where do you get Autumn crocus in Seru?? i can't find it in bazaar or merchants
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http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=199379 "> -Lanlaana <a/> Shadowstepp <b/> 60th season of Shadowstepping

[EZ_noctur]

it drops off the guard type mobs in seru. I have been having a hard time finding any for sale on any of the merchants. I found 4 which I used to try on this formula. I failed 1x and have 3 single charges of scratching madness. I need at least 2 more so I can get my vials back heh. Noctur Docter
Level 61 Assassin
Ashen Vendetta
Innoruuk
"Nothing makes me smile more than a turned back ..."

[EZ_Marcalo DeUnero]

I hope theres a substitute for Autumn Crocus, those guards aren't commonly killed except to get the Lucid Shard on my server (e'ci) and thats not really too common anymore now that everyone who wanted em has em for the most part.
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[Corinari]

We are down to one last Tier Two recipe. All the Tier One have been found. The only outstanding poison is Spine Rend. If this follows the patter all the others have followed Spine Rend would be Advanced Vial + Celestial Suspension + Drop of Mercury + Crystallized Sulfur + ????.

I updated my listing with these recent recipe's as well as the testing done on poison stacking.

Also in the first post from Vaslin on PoP it was mentioned that there will be more than one way to make these poisons. So far only Sting and Bite of Shissar have alternate components. I can't believe these are the only ones. I need to grab the list of DNC's that Squink has created and see what else there is to throw in that mortar and pestle.

Corinari Thrombosis
55 Rogue
Karana

Corinari's Guide to Advanced Poisons

[EZ_LanlaanaShadowstepp]

did some more testing tonight. One thing that i found really sucks is that Warr Epic proc (red blade) overwrites our Mangled tendon and Rage of incapacitation poisons. Main reason figured is that the Aggro increase overwrites the aggro decrease in the debuff, also reason the 2 won't stack. Pls fix VI <a href="

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=199379 "> -Lanlaana <a/> Shadowstepp <b/> 60th season of Shadowstepping

[EZ_Dave Th]

Is the work here finished, not likely.

There is one posion with switchable items, one OLD world and one pop. I will bet that all the posions here will be like that. 2 possible common items, one from the OLD world (for thoes that like farming greens) and one from Pop for thoes that like getting exp while farming.

Just guessing here but what ya think?

[EZ_Slott Matchyn]

anyone know specifically about acrylia grubs? where(grimling forrest or ac) what mobs etc

[EZ_Sorlun]

Advanced Vial + Celestial Suspension + Drop of Mercury + Crystallized Sulfur + ????.

Man this one is tuff. here is what I tried today. I tried the above with each of the below. I also tried all these combinations With the master sketch and without

Crystallized Sulfur (yes 2)
Acryla Grubs
Nardoo
Pile of rust
Phosperous powder
Plauge mites
Rock fern
Wax Flower
ACrylian Phosphate
Autumn Crocus
Shisshar Venom sack
Undead Shisshar Venom Sack
Galorian Flesh
Nodding blue lily
Ocean Ink
Golden Ember Powder
Seahorse scales
Elysium Bone powder
Saltpeter
Dust of Decay
Bile Infested Goo
Inky Secretion
Festering Glob of Goo
Fungus Clump
Tainted Planar Essence
Twilite worms

off to try more...

Orlun, 60 Assassin, Xev

[EZ_Mugyah]

Confirm Itching Madness to work with the DIP RESIST SKETCH in addition to master sketch. Have yet to confirm the same for scratching madness.

Mugyah
61st Assassin
Povar

[EZ_nwardezir]

> anyone know specifically about acrylia grubs? where(grimling forrest or ac) what mobs etc

These drops from most of the Grimlings in Acrylia Caverns I confirm.

Seems all reagents are sold at the same price. Something like 6p1g at max faction and CHA>150.

Odastre Perceflanc
Assassin - Karana Edited by: nwardezir at: 11/4/02 10:27:59 am

[Yalum]

Some of the older drops deviate from that (sulfur, shissar venom), but all the new stuff does seem to be about 6 or 7 plat depending on cha.

[EZ_Chemistrius]

Anyone have any vampire dust in the bank? <u>Chemistrius Ul'Veldrin </u>
62nd Season Dark Elf Assassin
Crusaders of PliloIt will be a hard life.
One without remorse, without reward, without regret.
A path will be placed before you, the choice is yours alone.
Do what you think you cannot do.
It will be a hard life, but you will find out who you are.

[EZ_Nandayar]

Excellent news about the returned vials. Still the burning question to me is: are there poisons out there that will actually take up 10 slots in our new mortar and pestle or are they completly useless??? Only time and the ever diligent rogue network will tell.


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[EZ_ardbeg jr]

so far there are 6 rare elements for 12 advanced poisons, each one of these is used twice, except acrylia grubs. possible that spine rend = sulphur + grubs and the recipe is broken?

[EZ_Nandayar]

Sorry about the sig Shadowcross I did not realize it was that big.

[EZ_Slott Matchyn]

Seems a new poison went in, arachnae venom. Check lucy for it, but it has to be a poison for us. Just look at the cast message (Someone screams and poison burns their veins or whatever) 150 hate reduce proc + snare

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

It's probably our missing tier 2 snare poison that we haven't found a recipie for. Sounds like they forgot it.

Get your mortars out again kids - bet we find the recipie in a few hours.
Osprey
Assassin
Triad Continuum

[EZ_failyure]

Someone in my guild posted about some dagger with that as a proc, don't think it's a new poison. The effect has poison counters, a snare, and a weak deagro Edited by: failyure at: 11/7/02 11:07:08 am

[EZ_Chaid Duskwalker]

>> Seems a new poison went in, arachnae venom. &lt;&lt;

It's a weapon proc on a 16/19 rogue only dagger that drops off of Mithaniel Marr. I heard his loot tables were initially messed up, which is probably why this effect was recently added when they added the dagger.

Advanced Vial, Dust of Decay, Mercury, Smashed War Grubs, Celestial Suspension results in Mental Implosion.

The grubs come from Plane of Tactic so they aren't exactly easy to get but this does show that there are alternates for some recipes.

The original MI recipe used all Luclin drops whereas this one used PoP. Not sure if that is significant.

Still trying out other combos w/ the few Grubs that I have.

--Benolas
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[Underdawg Darogue]

that is also proc on tendon slicer

[Corinari]

I knew more than one poison had to have alternate recipes. One question did you try the Smashed War Grubs with either Autumn Crocus or Nardoo from the first recipe?

Tried smashed war grubs with nardoo, gep, phosphorous powder, nbl, fungus clump, plague mites, rock fern, twilight worms, crystallized sulphur - all DNC. I'll try it with the other existing poison comps as soon as I find some for sale.

Tried smashed war grubs by itself DNC.

--Benolas

[EZ_LanlaanaShadowstepp]

Nope the new Mith marr dagger is Tendonslice 2.0 not same. Tendon slice = Lure Snare (only one in game to date) + 150 hate reduction. arachnae venom= Snare w/ -30 to resist (close to lure) and 250 hate reduction. Lanlaana Shadowstepp Shadowstepping for 63 seasons

[EZ_Chaid Duskwalker]

From lucy.fnord.net:

Tendon Slice:
Decrease Movement by 55%
Decrease Hate by 50
Resist Adjust: -300 (Magic)
Duration: 1 minute

Arachnae Venom:
Decrease Movement by 55%
Decrease Hate by 150
Increase Poison Counter by 3
Resist Adjust: -30 (Poison)
Duration: 1 minute

[EZ_h0bbit]

OMG I would love to see tendonslice proc in a rogue poison. Lure snare would be nice, however it seems that even the current Tendonslice effect is bugged. The hate reduction effect has less of a resist check, and if you resist that, you resist the snare portion of the effect as well. /sigh

[EZ_Soulstealler]

ok i have been fighting in PoS for a while in the dessert area.
Well today i got a skorpicus venom sack off one of the, you gessed Skorpicuss' (cant remember if im spelling it right at the moment).

Now this stuff is SUPER rare or im very very unlucky.
I only have 1 and have tried every posable combine and all i got was DNC. Does anyone else think this is a unsolved poison or am i barking up a dead tree?

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

I'd say you're barking up the wrong tree.

There's something I and others have noticed about new poison ingredients.

1. They're common. When mobs drop them, they do so a lot. Maybe half the time, maybe a little less. (Streaky in some areas too. You get none for a while, then every mob has them for a while.)

2. They always drop in pairs.

3. They tend to have a consistent npc vendor purchase price around 6-7pp.

4. They are always stackable

5. They're not nodrop

If you come across something unusual, see if it fits those criteria. If it does, start messing with it in the ol' mortar. If not, you might want to hold off. It's not a guarantee of course, but it does seem to be the general trend.


Osprey
Assassin
Triad Continuum

[EZ_Marcalo DeUnero]

I don't think Tendonslice effect is bugged at all. I use it constantly in mainhand and haven't had it resisted more than maybe 3 times off snarable mobs since the resist changes. Marcalo De'Unero
60 Assassin ~ E'ci
My Magelo
"Ironic, isn't it? You went to all that work to redeem yourself for a rapier,
yet the true reward came when you redeemed another." - Stanos Herkanor

[EZ_SylviusX]

anyone try using saltpeter(sp?) with crystallized sulfur for the tier 2 snare poison?

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

A post above has a long list of DNC's and it includes Saltpeter.
Osprey
Assassin
Triad Continuum

[EZ_slypit]

OK i have a lvl 54 rogue and Just got the Grandmaster Assassinn's Vial then went on to get the seal but when I try to combine the stuff I get the dnc message...
So i know you can do the quest before lvl 60 and (250) skill...but I am wondering if I need to look deeper or if it is just a simple matter of : Not being able to combine any of those poisons till I get a higher skill (250) ? or (237.5 + the GM seal's 5% to poison making to bring it up to 250)... or ???
..Slypit 54 rogue on Karana server
...Figured it out Tee Hee some did not need a sketch of any sort silly me Edited by: slypit at: 1/1/03 2:27:14 am

[EZ_KayleighDrake]

If you got a "does not combine" message, then you have something wrong. If it was a skill issue, you'd get a different message
Osprey
Deceiver
Triad Continuum

[EZ_SylviusX]

add to the list
venemous liquids

that didn't work for the tier 2 snare poison either. so