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[ShadowCross]

Nothing to add!

GRATS PJ! ShadowCross Bladesong
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Tebryan Bladesong, Saracen Master Scout (50), Guild Companions, Guinivere ServerEdited by: Shadowcross at: 2/29/04 8:59 pm

[Lilum]

My wife is less than thrilled. Have to say I was hoping for Mystic River to win myself.

[EZ_Gyorg]

Farking ass. I was posting. Someone put up a list of the awards they won. I want to see this boost LotR to pass Titanic in money earnings.

Honestly, I didn't expect them to sweep.


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[freonsmurf]

bout damn time!

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[ShadowCross]

First movie ever to win all nominations... (with that many that is.. not counting 1-2 nomination movies) Edited by: Shadowcross at: 2/29/04 9:03 pm

[deuce]

who won best actor? or has that been anounced? tv isn't on

[ShadowCross]

ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE
Sean Penn
MYSTIC RIVER

ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Tim Robbins
MYSTIC RIVER

ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE
Charlize Theron
MONSTER

ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Renée Zellweger
COLD MOUNTAIN

ANIMATED FEATURE FILM
FINDING NEMO
Andrew Stanton

ART DIRECTION
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
Grant Major (Art Direction); Dan Hennah and Alan Lee (Set Decoration)

CINEMATOGRAPHY
MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD
Russell Boyd

COSTUME DESIGN
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
Ngila Dickson and Richard Taylor

DIRECTING
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
Peter Jackson

DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
THE FOG OF WAR
Errol Morris and Michael Williams

DOCUMENTARY SHORT SUBJECT
CHERNOBYL HEART
Maryann DeLeo

FILM EDITING
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
Jamie Selkirk

FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
THE BARBARIAN INVASIONS
Canada
Directed by Denys Arcand

HONORARY AWARD
HONORARY AWARD
Blake Edwards

MAKEUP
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
Richard Taylor
Peter King

MUSIC (SCORE)
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
Howard Shore

MUSIC (SONG)
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
"Into the West"
Music and Lyric by Fran Walsh and Howard Shore and Annie Lennox

BEST PICTURE
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
Barrie M. Osborne, Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh

SHORT FILM (ANIMATED)
HARVIE KRUMPET
Adam Elliot

SHORT FILM (LIVE ACTION)
TWO SOLDIERS
Aaron Schneider and Andrew J. Sacks

SOUND EDITING
MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD
Richard King

SOUND MIXING
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
Christopher Boyes, Michael Semanick, Michael Hedges and Hammond Peek

VISUAL EFFECTS
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
Jim Rygiel, Joe Letteri, Randall William Cook and Alex Funke

WRITING (ADAPTED SCREENPLAY)
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
Screenplay by Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyens & Peter Jackson

WRITING (ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY)
LOST IN TRANSLATION
Written by Sofia Coppola

[Dorla]

I am a very happy person tonight.

[Glip the Gnome]

There's a shocker Lilum :P


I think overall this was a great year for Awards going to who they should have.

However, one MAJOR exception -- I was really disappointed when Sean Penn got it over Bill Murray. You could tell everyone in the place wanted Murray to get it, Billy Crystal included.

Lost in Translation was such a great movie, I'm glad it got Sofia Coppola Best Original Screenplay at the very least. But dang, Murray so deserved that Oscar.

I just can't stand Sean Penn, the guy never freaking smiles.


However, RoTK winning just about everything and Sofia Coppola getting her award makes me happy at least. Gonna be mad about the Best Actor thing for a while though, hehe :P Edited by: Glip the Gnome at: 2/29/04 9:07 pm

[EZ_CogginsEQ]

I have never been so excited to watch the Oscars in my life, that was the best. Although all I would add to make the night perfect is having Bill win best actor. Come on, he might never make it back there again!
"Suum Cuique" - Cicero

[ShadowCross]

I agree Nick... Murray should have gotten it. And I am also glad for Sofia Coppola.


Edit: Okay, it's 6 am.. head to bed for 3 hours now or go straight to work? decisions, decisions... Edited by: Shadowcross at: 2/29/04 9:10 pm

[EZ_Vindicor]

Murray should have gotten it. The idea that Sean Penn can win anything with his acting "ability" galls me.

But one bad call out of an awards show that once gave Titanic 11 awards isn't bad.

[EZ_Gannab]

Haha, Billy Crystal said "Don't leave Bill, we still love you."

Poor Murray.

[Lisboa]

Problem is those acting oscars are always looking at who is "due" to get it. Since Penn had some great performances in the past, he was due.

[Glip the Gnome]

Yeah, except you know he'll be nominated again -- and probably win again (even though I think he's overrated. He plays intense bastards, and he's an intense bastard. What range :P).

Bill Murray may very well never get nominated again. Bah.

[EZ_Dahne]

FINALLY!

But where the hell was Millenium Actress?

[EZ_Vindicor]

/shrug

Same place as the Cowboy Bebop film.

It would've gotten buried by the wonder that is Finding Nemo, anyway, so no big.

[Koru]

Talking to my teenage niece who worships Johnny Deep:
"Sean Penn's gonna win"
"Uuuh. Why?"
"because he's Sean Penn and it's a depressing movie. Trust me, he'll win"

5 minutes later
"See, told you he'd win"
"That's so unfair"
"It's hollywood. Depressing + Sean Penn and it can only lead to an oscar"

[shehab aldean]

they had to give an oscar to someone who would spew something about politic

[EZ_Phantom Rogue]

Glip, think I should go on my 30 minute rant here too?!

Summary:

I hate the Oscars.
They are biased, Liberal jackasses. (not that liberal is a bad thing, but it is for Awards)
Its Fixed!!! ( Glippers)

AKA, I hate the Oscars. Heres to Hopin Gollum gets the best Animated Creature from the MTV awards!

[EZ_Nyssa Rainwhisper]

You know all dem geeks were just waiting outside the Kodak Theater rolling d20s for initiative on who gets to gank the person who happens to beat LoTR should that have happened.

[Pyrocat Moonstalker]

I was talking to my friend about the oscars and then I started reading this thread, Glip's first post summed up my feelings exactly and I just copied and pasted haha.

[Nocte]

Thank God they won't be eligible next year. This epic is finally over.

[EZ_Nyssa Rainwhisper]

One thing I'm friggin sick of are the award winners who feel compelled to make a political statement. (Read, Sean Penn's acceptance speech.) Whatever happened to just thanking those that helped you get that award?

[EZ_Gannab]

Speaking of politics:

Quote:Thirteen years ago today
"Things were so different then. You know how different it was? Bush was president, the economy was tanking and we’d just finished a war with Iraq."

hehe.

[Deltar Battlewall]

Quote:One thing I'm friggin sick of are the award winners who feel compelled to make a political statement. (Read, Sean Penn's acceptance speech.)
Umm, perhaps I'm mis-remembering but I don't recall Penn saying anything political tonight. (If I knew where to look on the Internet to find his exact words, I would.)

As for the awards themselves, kudos to LotR but I think all 11 was a bit of overkill. It's almost as if voters never even saw any of the other movies. Watching the 2004 Oscars was like watching the Superbowl where one team scores 60 points before halftime. There's going to be no surprises at the end.

[EZ_Filan Fyretracker]

LOTR deserved every one of those, it got bent over the barrel the last years.
Earth Destroyed by Solarflare. Video at Eleven
Theres something on the Wing....

[Glip the Gnome]

There doesn't have to be any surprises -- in fact an ideal show where everyone who deserved to win actually won really wouldn't have any surprises :P

And Sean Penn made a crack about there being no WMDs, it was one of the first things he said when he got up there.

[Zeno]

Yeah, I was sad that Murray didn't get it. In fact, I was downright pissed. Lost in Translation made me have badass dreams involving adventures in Tokyo with comedic Bill Murray and the lady he sat with in the hospital! Whereas Sean Penn just bothers me.

And then I got even more dismayed when I thought Murray might never play a role like this again that will lead to a nomination. Has he ever won an award? Ghostbusters, Caddyshack, Groundhog Day, Scrooged! And then the brilliant Lost in Translation! AGH! HE DESERVES SOMETHING!

And what about Depp? Has he ever won an Oscar? Brilliant actor always playing weird roles... although at least this one got a nomination.
/rant

I wish Last Samurai and Pirates of the Caribbean would've got something. I mean, I loved LOTR and all, but do they really need so many awards?

[EZ_Vindicor]

Billy Crystal's response to the Fog of War documentarian who started about the same crap was hilarious.

Oh, and I <3 Robin Williams and Jack Black & Will Ferrell's presentations.

[Deltar Battlewall]

Quote:LOTR deserved every one of those, it got bent over the barrel the last years.
I would say that other nominees in the catagories of Art Direction, Film Editing, and Sound Mixing were definitely at least as good as LotR. The only Oscar I felt they didn't truly deserve was for Best Song (the Belleville song was the only one that didn't put me to sleep).

[EZ_Nyssa Rainwhisper]

Quote:Umm, perhaps I'm mis-remembering but I don't recall Penn saying anything political tonight.

Quote:And Sean Penn made a crack about there being no WMDs, it was one of the first things he said when he got up there.

Exactly. I believe he said something to the nature of, "all actors know that there are no WMDs..."

Quote:LOTR deserved every one of those, it got bent over the barrel the last years.

True, LotR did deserve all those awards, however, I think they viewed all 3 movies collectively for awards rather than seperately. I can't recall the previous years but were FotR and TTT even nominated for anything?

I think LotR did deserve all those awards. Not only was it amazing, you've got to keep in mind, the cast and crew of LotR devoted over 9 years of their lives into making those 3 movies while others probably did what? 10 months? Also, while many of their competitions were great, I just don't think they were really as great as LotR. Like special effects for example. One of competition was Master and Commander. Now c'mon. Ok, so the ship was pretty cool, but what's more amazing? Epic battles which included fictitious oliphants, and an elf swinging up a tusk to shoot bad guys, or a ship being tossed around at sea? Frankly, I think the only even scaled contender in the special effect category was Pirates. If LotR didn't win, I sure as hell would've voted for Pirates for special effects. The scene of them dueling in the cave between living and dead was pretty amazing alone. Edited by: Nyssa Rainwhisper at: 2/29/04 11:47 pm

[Glip the Gnome]

Yes, but they had no 'major' wins. Art and costume stuff, I believe.

[Deltar Battlewall]

Okay, I found it:
Quote:"If there's one thing that actors know, other than that there weren't any WMDs, it's that there is no such thing as best in acting and that's proven by these great actors that I was nominated with," _ Best-actor winner Sean Penn ("Mystic River&quot , referring to weapons of mass destruction.
I stand corrected on that one.

[DarkOmen42]

Weren't they both nominated for best picture? Hara

[ShadowCross]

The Fellowship of the Ring:
Won Oscar (4 of 13)
Best Cinematography
Best Effects, Visual Effects
Best Makeup
Best Music, Original Score
Nominated Oscar
Best Actor in a Supporting Role
Best Art Direction-Set Decoration
Best Costume Design
Best Director
Best Editing
Best Music, Song
Best Picture
Best Sound
Best Writing, Screenplay Based on Material Previously produced or Published

The Two Towers:
Won Oscar (2 of 6)
Best Achievement in Sound Editing
Best Achievement in Visual Effects
Nominated Oscar
Best Achievement in Art Direction
Best Achievement in Editing
Best Achievement in Sound
Best Motion Picture of the Year


Edit: The Trilogy won 17 oscars and got nominated 30 times. Edited by: Shadowcross at: 3/1/04 12:22 am

[EZ_Nyssa Rainwhisper]

Kinda disappointed RotK wasn't nominated for best actor this year though. That was one category it likely wouldn't have won though.

[EZ_Dahne]

Quote:Best Art Direction-Set Decoration

If FOTR didn't win, what did? It's got to be hard to beat something that's got a river through a canyon covered in giant statues.

[ShadowCross]

Quote:If FOTR didn't win, what did?

Moulin Rouge

[Glip the Gnome]

And if there was ANY film that year to have rivaled FoTR for that it was Moulin Rouge. I wasn't upset about that one at all.

[EZ_Vindicor]

Aye...now A Beautiful Mind beating Fellowship for Best Picture...now that's another story...

[Glip the Gnome]

Yeah that was crap, I wanted Moulin Rouge to win that one too :P

[Nocte]

At least House of Sand and Fog won something. That was my favorite movie last year.

No leet 3D effects, just real human drama and dialogue. Ben Kingsley was awesome.

[Darkefang]

So I guess all the women are lining up to make themselves ugly so they can win their Oscar next year.

Of course, on the men's side, all you have to do is find a script that requires you to yell, scream and/or cry a half dozen times in a movie, and you are a shoo in for an Oscar. Subtlety is lost on the Academy voters.

[Koru]

Right, because listening to a list of names being rattled off as fast as people can say them is so much more interesting than an actor talking about something else. Ok, so maybe not the best place for politics, but I'd rather listen to some actor talk out of his ass and make a statement than the frantic name lists.

[Nocte]

At least Tim Robbins learned his place. @#%$ had a bad year on Broadway I hear.

[EZ_Nyssa Rainwhisper]

If I wanted to hear political statements, I'd watch C-Span, not the Oscars. Thank your parents, thank your deity, thank the crew, thank your manager, thank your lover, gather your sh*t and move. Simple as that.

[EZ_Phantom Rogue]

See Glip.
People share my hatred with the Academy Lookin at LOTR as a SINGULAR movie, instead of three individual WELL DESERVING pieces.

The 6 Previous ones were just there to try to hold off the hordes of people yelling at the Academy for snubbing it. FOTR and TTT got SNUBBED. I dont care what anyone says, The Acting in LOTR (all of em) was great, you cant have a great movie w/o it (if i wanted all CGI, id go be a pixar fanboi). NO acting nods for ANY of em, aside from Iam Mckellens in FOTR, i dont think it got ANY nods. They should give the Academy the golden raspberry for being idiots. How you can say Jackson directed FOTR/TTT worse than ROTK, WHEN THEY WERE FILMED AT THE SAME TIME, is beyond me. Editing I could see, but THEY WERE ALL FIMLED CONCURRENTLY!!! BAH, now i need to go kill more people in DR, stupid Oscars!

On a side note. A Beautiful Mind was well deserving of the Best Picture win, GREAT movie, better than Rouge and FOTR.

[Nocte]

Yep.

Quote:NO acting nods for ANY of em, aside from Iam Mckellens in FOTR, i dont think it got ANY nods.

As a big anti-fanbois, I have to say McKellens DESERVED an award for Gandalf. Jebus, he was everything I pictured Gandalf to be when I read Tolkien. Everyone else, meh. It was an adventure film. McKellen got stiffed.

[EZ_Phantom Rogue]

Yeah, im not saying, lets give a Supporting Actress nod to Miranda Otto for her Eyes of Doom scene, but There were some real worthy performances, I honestly thought Bernard Hill did a damn good job in his role. Shoulda at least gotten nominated. Sam was a good Character in the Last one, showed a lot of depth of character.

Again, not saying, Give em the award, its LOTR and im a huge Fanboi, but gotta give the performances a nod, they were great films, carried from scene to scene by the Characters not... another hour till the next battle scene, time to go take a leak.

Pah

[EZ_Gyorg]

As much as I hate to say it, there were a LOT of people who deserved best actor/actress and best supporting actor/actress nods this year. My favorites personally were Johnny Depp and Bill Murray. I wanted Johnny Depp to win but I thought Bill Murray deserved to win.

LotR didn't get actor nominations because you can't just nominate one of them. The performances were so connected emotionally that it was hard to pick anyone out? How could you pull out Frodo, Sam or Gollum. How could you pull out Arowen, Aragorn, or Aowen. How could you pull out Gandalf, Gimli or legolas? And you'd have to have merry/pippen as a single nomination. One of the things that made LotR a stellar movie, made it impossible to nominate it's actors.

I think they did Snuff LotR the first 2 rounds and rewarded the series this time. Honestly, I didn't think the theatrical version of TTT deserved to win. FotR really was excellent though. But man, competing against Mulan Rouge? Rouge made a great nemisis for FotR. Both are beautiful. Both had excellent music and great stories. A Beautiful Mind didn't deserve the award though.

Finally, was Millennium Actress nominated for anything? I think it at least deserved to be nominated for best animated film. Cowboy bebop movie wasn't that good but Millennium Actress is amazing. It's beautiful and compelling and the final sceen is extremely moving. I don't think there's any arguement that Finding Nemo didn't deserve to win, if soley because of it's broad acceptance. Parents to college kids, to pre schoolers enjoyed the movie, but Millennium Actress really is an amazing movie.

But Sean Penn for best actor? Damnit. I know you went out of your way to reward us with the RotK wins but did you HAVE to throw a stereotypical bone for such a stereotypical oscar grab of a movie? You had two. count them TWO amazing actors in amazing rolls and you snubbed them.

[notwen]

Popular opinion is that Dreamworks dropped the ball on promotion of Millenium Actress. Nope, no nominations there.

As for the Cowboy Bebop film, I think and I could be wrong about this, but I think it wasn't qualified for Oscar consideration anyway due to it's original release date in Japan. I think.

[Marbh]

I also think Bernard Hill deserved a nod as Supporting Actor for Theoden. But think of it this way, LOTR will be a epic talked about for a long, long, long time.

[Lisboa]

Never heard of Millenium Actress.

[Trolo]

God, I saw that 30 second-or-so clip of Sean Penn in Mystic River that they showed when he was nominated, he wasn't even that good.

[EZ_xoom]

you cant judge his whole performance on the 30 second clip, haha.

he was very good in Mystic River, but I'm with the others that think Bill Murray should have won.

the academy needs to stop using comedy actors as their dancing monkeys, and show some respect.

[EZ_Dahne]

Lisboa, you should give it a rent. The release was wide enough that it should be easy to find at Blockbuster. Excellent excellent movie.

[EZ_Vindicor]

Made by the same person behind the great Perfect Blue, I might add.

And I maintain that Sean Penn should be somewhere sweeping floors, not receiving Academy Awards for acting. That's like giving Joan Rivers an award for class.

[EZ_Gyorg]

Biggest supprise of the oscars? Ashten Kutcher was ROBBED!

[notwen]

Millenium Actress

You can just tell by the quality of the website how much Dreamworks cared...

(Dreamworks is also distributing Ghost in the Shell: Innocence here as well) Edited by: notwen at: 3/1/04 4:57 pm

[Aidden]

Just got back from Mystic River...

WTF...

How in the hell did that rate a best Actor?

I think Kevin Bacon and Lawrence Fishburn acted twice as well as Penn...

Robins did a good job but best supporting? I should have passed on the film.. No im disapointed..

[Fricka]

LOTR win: "I told you so" -- see our original Oscar thread on this

I happen to love the "Into the West Song" -- the lyrics were simple but made great references to Tolkien lore. The melody/mood was perfect. The Bellevue song just sounded like a song of that genre (a decent one) but not an outstanding one.

As far as political statements at the Oscars. I don't mind them saying them at all. I too, like this glimpse into what they might say vs a long list of names to Thank. And this year the statements that were made were really only short quips. Edited by: Fricka at: 3/1/04 5:21 pm

[EZ_Gyorg]

My biggest problem is I don't think it was the best song un RotK. I really thnk Billy Boyd's short song in Steward of Gundor was better.

[Deltar Battlewall]

Quote:LotR didn't get actor nominations because you can't just nominate one of them. The performances were so connected emotionally that it was hard to pick anyone out?
Sure you can. Gollum (Andy Serkis) was clearly the standout performance of The Two Towers. Samwise (Sean Astin) was clearly the standout performance of Return of the King.
Quote:How could you pull out Frodo, Sam or Gollum.
Is this the setup to a dirty joke?
Quote:How could you pull out Arowen, Aragorn, or Aowen.
Considering Aragorn (Viggo Mortensen) is a man, and Arwen (Liv Tyler) and Eowyn (Miranda Otto) are women, I'm afraid they would not be eligible for the same award nomination.
Quote:How could you pull out Gandalf, Gimli or legolas?
The Academy didn't seem to have much of a problem when they nominated Ian McKellen for his role as Gandalf in FotR.
Quote:And you'd have to have merry/pippen as a single nomination.
Why? Billy Boyd and Dominic Monaghan are two completely different people playing two completely different characters.

[EZ_minoltasrt101b]

It's not that I'm disappointed in any of the individual awards given out (well, except best supporting actress), a case can be made for all of them. I am, however, massively disappointed overall.

There was not a single 'suprise' win. Every single award went to what conventional wisdom decreed. Not to denigrate LotR's technical achievements, but neither it nor Titanic can possibly have objectively been the best in all those categories. Voters are lazy, they just go with the costume epic with momentum in those categories. Sean Penn's performance was decent, but far from the best of his career (Thin Red Line). Tim Robbins got the 'Mystic River got screwed, better give them something' win. Renee got the 'Cold Mountain got screwed' win. Everyone in that category and about 300 people not in it outperformed her this year, but Cold Mountain's lack of noms and Chicago related guilt bought her this award. Charlize Theron won for uglying up for a role. Sophia Coppola won for not winning best picture.

I guess I'm just disillusioned by the fact that the awards were nakedly political, and who won what had more to do with history, legacy and mythmaking than awarding the best film had to offer in 2003.

And, depressingly, here's the last 15 films to have won best picture:

Rain Man
Driving Miss Daisy
Dances With Wolves
Silence Of The Lambs
Unforgiven
Schindler's List
Forrest Gump
Braveheart
The English Patient
Titanic
Shakespeare In Love
American Beauty
Gladiator
A Beautiful Mind
Chicago

How many of these are honestly amongst what you consider the best films of all time? How many would you watch over and over? How many have you bothered to purchase on DVD? The only one I consider a great movie is Shakespeare In Love, and it should have lost to the vastly superior Thin Red Line.

The Academy sucks.

[EZ_Ciba]

Quote:How many of these are honestly amongst what you consider the best films of all time? How many would you watch over and over? How many have you bothered to purchase on DVD? The only one I consider a great movie is Shakespeare In Love, and it should have lost to the vastly superior Thin Red Line.

Silence Of The Lambs
Unforgiven
Forrest Gump
Braveheart
Gladiator
A Beautiful Mind

All these meet two of three.

[EZ_Vindicor]

I do indeed consider these to be among the best movies of all time.

Silence Of The Lambs
Schindler's List
Braveheart
American Beauty

And, of course, Lord of the Rings: Return of the King. Edited by: Vindicor at: 3/2/04 1:07 pm

[EZ_Diabalein Avidyia]

"lipp my stockings Lipp my Stockings!"

I cried I was laughing so hard, havent seen mystic river yet so no coment there but Bill Murray was absolutly perfect in Lost in Translation. perfect to the point that its as if the role was written with him in mind.

[EZ_minoltasrt101b]

Silence Of The Lambs is probably the easiest of those winners to defend. I wasn't a huge fan, but it definitely had it's appeal. Forrest Gump I wouldn't personally rate, but it definitely connected with people.

Schindler's List, Driving Miss Daisy, The English Patient, Titanic, American Beauty and A Beautiful Mind are the worst kind of winners though. It's not that they're terrible movies, or even particularly bad - I'll watch most of them if they're on cable and I lack Law & Order reruns - it's just that their acceptance is manipulative. Deceiptful even. They take posistions where the zeitgest mandates a pro/con opinion be assumed, where if you disagree that they're great movies, you're automatically seen as attacking the philosophies behind them. No time for indifference, Doctor Jones, take a stand or be villified.

Schindler's List was mediocre? Anti-semite. Disliked Driving Miss Daisy? You take political correctness too far! Bored by The English Patient or Titanic? You don't understand romance. Thought American Beauty was shallow and slow? Ivory tower intellectual who doesn't understand real life. Didn't get the appeal of A Beautiful Mind? How can you be so cold?

Movies impossible to dislike spawn mass acceptance, which quickly becomes vindication. Everyone liked it, it must be great. Who cares how good they really were?

Did they make you grip the edge of your seat? Did they send you running home to scour the imdb for insight and oversight? Did you count the minutes until you were able to see them again? Did you pre-order the DVD from Amazon and watch it twice in a row upon receiving it, and then again the next day with the commentary on? Did it keep you up nights thinking about it?

If not, I submit that what you hold as greatness is mediocrity sheathed in a particularly cruel kind of hype. There's no thrill, merely a kind of resigned acceptance of greatness.

Some movies that the Academy could have honoured in the last 15 years (movies that thrilled me, at least, plus a few that didn't, but thrilled many):

Akira
Do The Right Thing
Sex, Lies & Videotape
Cinema Paradiso
Goodfellas
My Own Private Idaho
Raise The Red Lantern
The Crying Game
Indochine
Glengarry Glen Ross
Resevoir Dogs
L'Amant
Tombstone
The Shawshank Redemption
Pulp Fiction
Ed Wood
Once Were Warriors
Twelve Monkeys
Se7en
Casino
Fargo
Trainspotting
Shine
Biodome
LA Confidential
The Spanish Prisoner
American History X
Lola Rennt
The Thin Red Line
Dark City
Rushmore
The Red Violin
Afterlife
Fight Club
Being John Malkovich
Election
The Virgin Suicides
The Straight Story
Ghost Dog
Traffic
High Fidelity
Ghost World
Best In Show
Bring It On
Tigerland
Donnie Darko
The Royal Tenenbaums
Spirited Away
Gosford Park
The Fellowship of the Rings
The Two Towers
Adaptation
Punch Drunk Love
Hero
Edited by: minoltasrt101b at: 3/2/04 3:16 pm

[EZ_Vindicor]

Out of those...

Akira
The Shawshank Redemption
Pulp Fiction
Ed Wood
Twelve Monkeys
Fargo
LA Confidential
Dark City
Fight Club
Being John Malkovich
Election
Best In Show
Donnie Darko
Spirited Away
The Fellowship of the Rings
The Two Towers
Adaptation
Punch Drunk Love




...Bring It On and Biodome? Edited by: Vindicor at: 3/2/04 3:20 pm

[EZ_Stubbers BPants]

The Thin Red Line I am not a fan of, though, saw it in 8th grade, so maybe I was only hoping for hard-core action, nothing deeper. Never have wanted to see it again though...

Shakespeare in Love... ugh, decent, but better than Saving Private Ryan? Noooooo Way! I'm still bitter about that beating SPR! Booo! Hissss!

And Sean Penn did ok, but I really like Johnny Depp, so I was hoping for that. Haven't seen LiT though, always checked out at my local Blockbuster, so can't ultimately say who should win

EDIT: Sounded harsher than I wanted it to, sorry to Mino if there was any offense on that if you read it before the edit. Edited by: Stubbers BPants at: 3/2/04 5:16 pm

[EZ_minoltasrt101b]

Biodome was just to see who was paying attention.

Bring It On is the finest movie of it's genre since Dazed & Confused.

[EZ_Stubbers BPants]

Might have sounded to harsh with that, but there are a bunch I like with Mino's list

High Fidelity and American History X are on my top 5 fave movies of all time personally

Big nod to Spirited Away as well!

Punch Drunk Love I was kinda mixed about, I went in with completely different expectations, and I think that turned my off from the movie. Interesting none-the-less, Sandler in a serious role!

[Deltar Battlewall]

Quote:Voters are lazy, they just go with the costume epic with momentum in those categories. Sean Penn's performance was decent, but far from the best of his career (Thin Red Line). Tim Robbins got the 'Mystic River got screwed, better give them something' win. Renee got the 'Cold Mountain got screwed' win. Everyone in that category and about 300 people not in it outperformed her this year, but Cold Mountain's lack of noms and Chicago related guilt bought her this award. Charlize Theron won for uglying up for a role. Sophia Coppola won for not winning best picture.
Amazingly, I actually agree with pretty everything here except for the last. Sofia Coppola won because her last name is Coppola.
Quote:and it should have lost to the vastly superior Thin Red Line.
The fact that you think The Thin Red Line was a good movie lends you zero credibility, my friend. That movie was absolutely boring and meaningless. Of the 5 Best Picture nominees that year (others were Shakespeare in Love, Saving Private Ryan, Life is Beautiful, and Elizabeth), Red Line was the only movie that was nominated undeservingly. It was overlong, the story was scatterbrained, and parts of it that were supposed to be dramatic were just unintentionally funny (i.e.: Woody Harrelson grenading his own keister off).
Quote:Schindler's List was mediocre? Anti-semite.
I wouldn't call someone who didn't like Schindler's List an anti-Semite (nor do I know anyone else who would). I would say anyone who didn't like Schlinder's List just didn't appriciate the kind of raw, shocking filmmaking it used. Or in your case, there just wasn't enough explosions.
Quote:Bored by The English Patient or Titanic? You don't understand romance.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that, yes, you don't understand romance. That's your own problem though, not anyone else's. (BTW, Titanic was an exceptionally well-done movie, I wasn't bored by it at all. And I'm not your typical "romantic" either).
Quote:Thought American Beauty was shallow and slow? Ivory tower intellectual who doesn't understand real life.
Slow, yes. Shallow, no. But it won because competition that year was dreadful by comparison.
Quote:Did you count the minutes until you were able to see them again? Did you pre-order the DVD from Amazon and watch it twice in a row upon receiving it, and then again the next day with the commentary on? Did it keep you up nights thinking about it?
No, but then again, I don't do that with any of my favorite movies. I'm a movie fan, not an obsessed psychopath.
Quote:Some movies that the Academy could have honoured in the last 15 years (movies that thrilled me, at least, plus a few that didn't, but thrilled many):
I can look at my DVD library and suggest all of them should have received Academy Awards as well. "Grrr, where are the Oscars for Army of Darkness, Get Shorty, and UHF?!"

By the way,
Quote:Spirited Away
This DID win Best Animated Feature Film of 2002.

[Trolo]

The Royal Tenenbaums deserved Best Picture Evar. ;(

[Darkefang]

Quote:Bring It On is the finest movie of it's genre since Dazed & Confused.

I didn't realize cheerleader movie was a genre.

[EZ_Arafain]

it's a crime that Penn won that oscar instead of Depp in Pirates. My GF and I must have watched that movie 7 or 8 times now, and Depp's lines still crack me up every time.

"....and then they made me their chief." -- Marauder Arafain Entreri, 65 Deceiver
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"Once, in the old west, a gentleman shot a professional gunfighter in the back. When asked why he didn't give the other chap a chance to draw, he replied, 'Well, he's dead and I'm alive and that's how I wanted it to be." -- from Red Planet, Robert A. Heinlein

[EZ_Slyy Daugg]

I am very disappointed that Lost in Translation did not receive more awards.

Murray deserved best actor. He really, really did... damnit.

Then again I haven't cared too much about the Academy Awards since Forrest Gump beat out Pulp Fiction for best picture.

SD

[EZ_Montag McCleaud]

*QUOTE*

"My biggest problem is I don't think it was the best song un RotK. I really thnk Billy Boyd's short song in Steward of Gundor was better."
-Gyorg

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.

I remember watching the movie the first time at the scene leading up to this song. When I knew for sure that he was actually going to sing some sort of tune I felt this inner cringe, narrowed my eyes and mumbled "this is gonna be sooo lame".

Then Merry started singing, fantastically I might add, and they started the cutscenes of Faramir leading his suicide charge.

All I could think was WOW! I was blown away by that scene.
The mood of the song and the way it was presented was one of the finest pieces in the movie. Not ashamed to say I got goosebumps.

However it would probably be hard for this song to stand on it's own for a nomiation.

[Dorla]

Unfortunately, with Steward of Gondor... in my opinion the song is presented better in the movie than it is on the soundtrack. On the soundtrack, there's a long orchestral piece, then at the end they tacked on Billy Boyd's song. In the movie, it nearly made me cry... on the soundtrack, not so much (although certainly the visuals in the movie account for much of that).

That being said... do they consider the movie version or the soundtrack version for an Oscar? You would assume the movie version, but I don't know for sure.

Regardless... if you don't own the soundtracks BUY THEM NOW... I listen to them more than any of my other music right now. Plus it's great to listen to at work while I'm crunching numbers.