Akhevan Translations -- Link to Dictionary Added

[EZ_Haldin Darconis]

I have placed the Akhevan Dictionary online. I would like to thank Arctura for consolidating nearly all of the information in this thread into something a bit easier to read.


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Consolidating some info on the language for easy access.
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Single word translations:
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Akuel = Gift
Ans = The
Diabo = Master
Dyek - Earth
Dyn = Rock / Stone
Fiel = Light
Ishinaear = Luclin (Goddess)
Itraer = "Greater"?
Kaas - Black
Kel = A
Tavuel = Tortured
Temariel = Knowledge
Tetoracu = Twilight
Tekar = Mortal Death (Compared to the immortal death that the Akhevans experience.)
Thall = Sacred
Thox - Blood
Tian = Day
Va = Dark / Shadow
Vereor = Terror
Vex = Heart
Vius = Darkness
Wito = Eye
Xakra = Spirit
Xakreum = Spirits
Xauninae = Luclin (Moon)
Xi = Of
Xin - shadows
Xiall = Justice
Xundrau = Weapon
Xundraux = Weapons
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Samples:
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Temariel Vex = Heart of Knowledge
Vex Xi Vius = The Heart of Darkness
Akuel xi ans Vius = Gift Of The Dark
Ans Xundrau xi Tekar = The Weapon Of Mortal Death
Kel Xundrau xi Tekar = A weapon Of Mortal Death
Kel Xundrau xi Xauninae = A Weapon Of Luclin
Wito Xi Tetoracu = Eye Of Twilight
Collar of Tavuel Xakreum = Collar of Tortured Spirits
Vereor Mask = Mask of Terror
Itraer Insignia = Symbol Of The Shadow
Ishinaear Xiall = Luclin's Justice
Ans Fiel`Tian = The Light Of Day

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Mob Info:
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Qua - minor (lvl 55)
Zov - lesser (lvl 5
Zun - major (lvl 61)
Pli - greater (lvl 63)
Eom - arch (lvl 65)

Thall - cleric/priest/sacred
Liako - knight/paladin
Va Liako - shadowknight
Centien - warrior/servant
Senshali - rogue
Zethon - wizard


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Original message:

The Temariel Vex drops off of the Altar Priest in Akheva Ruins. It looks like a book, and is a quite nice range slot item.

I cast Identify on it, and it ID'd as the "Heart of Knowledge". I have looked far and wide, but I have not found anything that needs such a thing... I am posting this in the hopes that someone out there might be looking for the Heart of Knowledge and needs to know where it is. Also, I am just curious.

Thanks,
Haldin Darconis
Knight of Brell
Edited by: Haldin Darconis at: 3/2/04 2:46 pm

[EZ_Kage Nomad]

Vex Xi Vius off Itrear Vius, also a ranged item, identifies and Heart of Darkness, incidently.

[EZ_Javan Transient]

Hmm, so could we infer that "Vex" means Heart, "Temariel" means Knowledge and "Xi Vius" means Darkness?

Makes sense as the Xi Vius mobs are rather dark figures, most being "shadow"knights.

Any clue on the meaning of Thal? Just curious as to what Vex Thal is the "heart of"

[EZ_realmsunbound]

shadow i believe

[EZ_Schezar]

Vex... oh jinkies, if there's 10 of these I'd lay odds on these being the 'silver' links.

[EZ_Haldin Darconis]

Let's start translating Akhevan!

So, Vex is Heart. Tamariel is Knowledge. Xi Vius is Darkness (or Shadow). Itrear Vius... Hmm, Black?... Complete Darkness?

Please, anyone else out there who has an item that is named in Akhevan ID it so that we can figure out this language... Who knows, maybe if we can ask the corrupted remains about Vex Thal in common instead of Akhevan, he will answer some questions?


Haldin Darconis

[EZ_Kelarniv Mistweb]

Akuel xi ans Vius = Gift of the Dark
Ans Xundrau xi Tekar = The weapon of mortal death
Kel Xundrau xi Tekar = A weapon of mortal death
Kel Xundrau xi Xauninae = A weapon of Luclin

So we have, so far-

Vex = Heart
Tamariel = Knowledge
Vius = Dark, Darkness
Akuel = Gift
Xi = Of
Ans = The
Kel = A
Xundrau = Weapon
Tekar = Mortal Death, probably one word in Whisperling/Akhevan.
Xauninae = Luclin

Makes alot of sense so far. I'll be looking for Ans Vex Xauninae :P.

[EZ_Lleauaric]

so is Thal the name of the race?

Vex Thal? heart of Akhevans?

[EZ_Haldin Darconis]

Okay. The "Xi Vius" guys are named "Of Darkness"... kinda creepy.

Itraer probably is Master, or Lord. Dark Master, or Dark Lord. Seems fitting.

I'm at work right now, but I'm going to check my logs for all the things that have been said upon death when I get home. I know that many of these guys says something in Akhevan when dying, and hopefully we'll be able to translate some more.

Does anyone out there have the "Wito Xi Tetoracu" from the Itraer? That has two words we have not seen yet.
There is also the "Collar of Tavuel Xakreum".. I just wonder why half of it is in common.
Next time I get an Akuel xi ans Vius, I'll ID it. Right now it's <something> Of the darkness. We'll see what Akuel means.

We also can look into the differnent names of mobs--
Xi Thall
Xi Thall Centien
Xi Xaui
... All of these guys are "Of <something>". The Vius ones are Sk's and necros.

Shei Vinitras
Va'Dyn
Centi Dator
Centi Atulus

I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but that's all I can think of right now.

Haldin Darconis

[EZ_Popplo]

Whats the stats on the item the alter priest drops?

[EZ_Haldin Darconis]

The stats are:
LORE ITEM MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
Wis: +10 Magic Resist: +5 Fire Resist: +5 Cold Resist: +5 Poison Resist: +5 Disease Resist: +5 HP: +50 Mana: +50
Weight: 4.5
Classes: Warrior Rogue Monk Bard Shadowknight Paladin Cleric Druid Shaman Ranger Beastlord
Races: All Races
Inventory Slot: Ranged Weapon


www.allakhazam.com/db/ite...?item=8131

[EZ_Solmancer]

Might as well put my two bits in as far as Akhevan translations go. Though I've got a couple questions: where did you hear about what Kel, Xauninae, Tekar, and Xundrau mean? Is that from ID'ing those I assume? If so, that explains why I'm clueless on a number of these words meanings, let alone how they were obtained. ;) So here's my list of contributions, and a big dissertation following it. The question marks indicate my personal opinion about what it means, and isn't confirmed by anyone but me. :p

Xakra - shade; just seems to make sense given the larva, though "Xakra Kel" armor puts a dint into that being a possible meaning
Itraer - Greater; somewhat superlative, imo
Xua ane matarun - "I have fallen" (?) -- (death message from Xin Thall Centien)
Centien - Priest (see below on why)

Itraer I believe 'should' mean "Greater", given the names of mobs from certain, leaked Vex Thal screenies from An_Anonymous_PersonXX. (Itraer Liako Xin Thall, etc.)
There are also "Greater Akheva", according to the bane weapon that drops from Shei Vinitras, which is what convinced me about the meaning. It makes sense, also, given the type of mob the Itraer Vius is (a special lookin shade). So basically, "The Greater Dark", though why it's "The Itraer Vius" versus "Ans Itraer Vius", is beyond me.

Also, I'd say Tekar would be better off listed as "Mortality", versus Mortal Death, but that's just me quibbling.

Also, Xi and Xin are different. Whether Verant simply typoed with mobs such as Xin Thall Centien in Maiden's, I don't know, but currently everything means something, if you don't account for that possibility of extra letter(s) in names, or transposition (Xandrau and Xundrau, for instance)

"Centien" meaning Priest seems to stem from primarily how Xin Thall Centien behave. The good majority of them seem to be clerics, that I've encountered, and even though others are necromantic or shadowknights by nature, you could still argue they're priests to the power of shadow (Luclin?), similar to how Dark Elves are Necromancers and Clerics in servitude to Innoruuk, and Erudites to Cazic Thule.

There's also the matter of apostraphes. Some of the trap shades are called "Va Tatrua", and yet we have "The Va`Dyn", whatever both mean. I'm willing to bet Va is a preposition. Not forgetting, of course, Atulinae`Vius in Akheva Ruins. "Something`Dark", unless apostraphes change meaning completely.

Not forgetting several other words: Akelha, Ra, Aten, etc. Ra will likely mean sun, or light. Don't ask me why, I'm still putting together my suspicions about the nature of the Akheva and their relationship to Luclin herself.

Conclusion: If there was someone who made up the Akhevan language, and made it relatively logical as far as linguistics is concerned, AND put it in Vex Thal, and elsewhere for potential use by players.. neat :) Would be fun to have to learn Akhevan to get anywhere in Vex Thal.

[EZ_Freon Sol]

Wito Xi Tetoracu (mask from vius)
Eye of twilight

[EZ_Evisceros Headcutter]

Let's also not forget, of course, that Lumanes means Hail

hehe

[EZ_Evisceros Headcutter]

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[EZ_Gallux]

Just summarised this back into one list. Do we have any other items that identify from Akheva or possible Maiden's Eye? I searched thru Magelo for each word to see if anything else was listed but came up with nothing.

Temariel Vex = Heart of Knowledge
Vex Xi Vius = The Heart of Darkness
Akuel xi ans Vius = Gift Of The Dark
Ans Xundrau xi Tekar = The Weapon Of Mortal Death
Kel Xundrau xi Tekar = A weapon Of Mortal Death
Kel Xundrau xi Xauninae = A Weapon Of Luclin
Wito Xi Tetoracu = Eye Of Twilight
Collar of Tavuel Xakreum = Collar of Tortured Spirits
Vereor Mask = Mask of Terror
Itraer Insignia = Symbol Of The Shadow

Akuel = Gift
Ans = The
Itraer = Shadow
Kel = A
Tavuel = Tortured
Temariel = Knowledge
Tetoracu = Twilight
Tekar = Mortal Death
Vereor = Terror
Vex = Heart
Vius = Darkness
Wito = Eye
Xi = Of
Xakreum = Spirits
Xauninae = Luclin
Xundrau = Weapon

Updating the list as more people post.
Edited by: Gallux at: 2/10/02 8:57:38 am

[Arafain]

Kind of interesting, especially considering the fact that so many mobs in luclin speak in Akheva.

Additional info:

Xin Thall Centien aggro msg: 'Tavuel tekar!'

Umbrous toiler death message: 'Grendal ix thula!'

both taken from memory. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to compile a list of all akhevan text strings.

-- Arafain

[Yalum]

Forhal's Guantlets = "Forhal's Guantlets"

Well, it was worth a shot.

[EZ_Evisceros Headcutter]

Collar of Tavuel Xakreum = Collar of Tortured Spirits

hrmm, Xakreum is plural for Xakra perhaps?

[EZ_Evisceros Headcutter]

Vereor Mask = Mask of Terror

[EZ_Evisceros Headcutter]

Itraer Insignia = Symbol of the Shadow

[EZ_Gallux]

Least we now know what Itraer Vius means (Shadow Darkness).

I think we definately need to start compiling the list of text strings. I have a feeling the identify tag is only going to get us so far before we have to start filling in the gaps.

[EZ_Redi of Qeynos]

Quote: Collar of Tavuel Xakreum = Collar of Tortured Spirits

hrmm, Xakreum is plural for Xakra perhaps?

This just got me thinking... is this how pluralization is done in latin?

We've already seen clear Latinate influence in Seru, at least. It's a stretch, but a possiblity, that we may be able to follow some semblance of Latin syntax/grammar with Akhevan.

Anyway, very interesting stuff here .

-Redi

[EZ_Evisceros Headcutter]

Whoah, there, Tonto. . .I highly doubt Verant had the time/money/ambition to flesh out an entire language with grammatical guidelines. . .if they did, then they should go fix the Sleeper script instead. . .or finish itemizing the zones.

The point is, I believe this has to do with getting into Vex Thal. But I also don't think VI put as much time into this as you're giving them credit for. Hehe

[EZ_Gallux]

Its actually quite possible its an attempt at a language with gramatical guidelines.

There is an armour set (it may be used for tailoring) that is Xakra Kel. There is Xakra Kel Cap, Cape, Choaker etc. This could be translated to be "A Spirit Cape" or "A Spirit Cap" etc.

Wouldn't rule out the possibility just yet.

[NightGod]

Quote: Vhal`Sera Skull Earring - Shrunken Gnome Skull

If that's Akhevan, VI has been working on this for a LONG time. That item drops off Vhal`Sera on the 6th floor of ToFS (the spinning genie dude).

[Tabbran]

I wonder if all the tegi speak akhevan?

If they do, in Shadeweaver's Thicket, there's a few camps inside those caverns that ring the zone, there's a warlord tegi (greyish brown type), but that's not important. Near him is a vendor, I think a bartender, that sells various types of weapons all named things strange, but I'm not sure if it's akhevan, perhaps an ID on them would give some more info?

And on aggro, the four arm akhevans say "Tortured death!" from the translation guide :) Edited by: Tabbran at: 2/10/02 11:30:52 am

[EZ_Tazza]

Not sure if these are part of the same language stuff, but seems in the same feel as the rest of this. Shadeweavers Thicket has Shak Dratha (little dark grey aliens) and lesser shades (skeletons). The shak dratha drop chunks of condensed shadow, which are found here and off of aliens in Akheva, which helps link them. But anyways, this is what I pulled out of my log files:

[Wed Jan 09 09:10:55 2002] Auto attack on.
[Wed Jan 09 09:10:55 2002] a shak dratha seeker says 'Tavu theka duthenes! '

[Mon Jan 07 10:24:44 2002] Auto attack on.
[Mon Jan 07 10:24:44 2002] a lesser shade says 'Ura anir teka xeturi sivuela! '

[Mon Jan 07 10:24:47 2002] You have slain a lesser shade!
[Mon Jan 07 10:24:47 2002] a lesser shade says 'Xau anir aus diun xeturisun! '

There are shadows in Twilight Sea that're bigger brothers of the lesser shades, drop similar stuff, but I'm fairly sure they'll polish me off so if someone high level wants to kill a few and see what their attack/death messages are, might be one more datapoint. Not sure what they say when they kill you, I'll ahve to make a newbie kitty and run out to my doom to find out

Edit add:

Easy enough :

[Thu Jan 10 14:31:02 2002] a lesser shade says 'Ans sivuela ial temar attaumis! '
[Thu Jan 10 14:31:02 2002] A lesser shade hits YOU for 9 points of damage.
[Thu Jan 10 14:31:02 2002] You have been slain by a lesser shade!

[Thu Jan 10 14:38:35 2002] a shak dratha raider says 'Xiallsa! '
[Thu Jan 10 14:38:35 2002] A shak dratha raider hits YOU for 28 points of damage.
[Thu Jan 10 14:38:35 2002] You have been slain by a shak dratha raider!
Edited by: Tazza at: 2/10/02 1:42:45 pm

[EZ_Kelarniv Mistweb]

I have to say I doubt Itrear means Shadow. The Symbol of the Shadow ID could easily just be a fluke- insignia is very English.

[EZ_Solmancer]

Haven't seen the death message, but when they aggro they don't say anything. It's something like: "a lesser shadow coalesces into darkness". That's probably way off.

[EZ_Immortalis]

good work guys...keep it up

[EZ_Lleauaric]

Ishinaear Xiall --- 15/20 pierce drop off Shei Vitras with Life tap proc

translated ===> Luclins Justice

ID'd it off Razzinizu in my guild... but borrowed FoH screenie

fohguild.org/news/IshXiShei.jpg

so we have 2 words for Luclin
Xauninae
and
Ishinaear Edited by: Lleauaric at: 2/10/02 2:37:59 pm

[EZ_zondro]

I wonder if it's related to the Chetari language, I believe:

Ayiyiyiyiyiyyiyip erp!! can be translated as:

To be, or not to be, that is the quetion.
whether 'tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows
of outrageous fortune...

:)

[EZ_Javan Transient]

Perhaps one word for Luclin refer's to the moon (as in, "a weapon from the moon") and one refer's to the entity/god Luclin (as in "Luclin's Justice")

[EZ_Evisceros Headcutter]

Quote: Originally posted by NightGod:
If that's Akhevan, VI has been working on this for a LONG time. That item drops off Vhal`Sera on the 6th floor of ToFS (the spinning genie dude).

Sorry, that's my bad. . .I didn't know where it dropped from. I was just trolling through the Magelo database, and saw that. Erased the post to avoid confusion.

[EZ_Evisceros Headcutter]

Quote: Originally posted by Kelarniv Mistweb:
I have to say I doubt Itrear means Shadow. The Symbol of the Shadow ID could easily just be a fluke- insignia is very English.

All I was posting was the name of the item, and the exact item ID, according to Magelo. I didn't mean to imply that "insignia" is Akhevan for "symbol". Everyone here should know those terms are interchangable in most cases. But I do believe that this confirms that "Itraer" means "Shadow".

Quote: Originally posted by Javan Transient:
Perhaps one word for Luclin refer's to the moon (as in, "a weapon from the moon&quot and one refer's to the entity/god Luclin (as in "Luclin's Justice&quot

That's not a bad idea, you're probably right.

[EZ_Prenn]

In Scarlet desert, along the wall between The Grey and Twilight there are various camps of the little alien guys.

In each one there is a named alien (er, not named. but it's a Seeker or something as opposed to the regular ones.)

When hailed, it responds in some strange languange with a [bracketed] word.

When you say that word to it, it gets excited and says something, then casts a spell. I have spell messages off so I have no idea what spell it is.

Something to look into perhaps.

[EZ_Sphirek Blackstaff]

Fist of Glowing Acrylia = Fist of Acrylia

[EZ_MerileafCatwalker]

This does seem to make sense and seems acurate so far. From 2 previous posts:

[Thu Jan 10 14:38:35 2002] a shak dratha raider says 'Xiallsa! '
[Thu Jan 10 14:38:35 2002] You have been slain by a shak dratha raider!

and

Ishinaear Xiall --- 15/20 pierce drop off Shei Vitras with Life tap proc

translated ===> Luclins Justice


This would mean Xiall is justice, and when the mob slained you he screamed Justice! This also mean Ishinaear = Luclin.

Unless the mob was screaming Luclin! ;P

[EZ_Twiggie Tymberwolf]

There is definately a form of grammer and usage in the phrases the mobs say. Many of the death messages use a form of Tekar which was translated as Mortal Death. I've been collecting messages for the last few weeks as well as the ID lore on the items found. Still missing a few pieces as I can't figure out a decent portion of the phrases. Hopefully as Shei Vinitras and others are killed more often some new items will break the language down a bit more. Once I get my notes in order more I'll post what I have.

Also, not sure what faction level I need but amiable with whisperlings won't get you the amulet container... and I've farmed Akheva for all of 58 Gonna take alot of work to get to ally.

Still we are missing something, either the rings aren't in game or they just aren't even close to obvious.

[EZ_Lleauaric]

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[EZ_ittingles]

Ok earlier on this page someone mentioned Latin, and how Akhevan might be using Latin rules for expressing plurality. Well I don't know if this will help, but I've studied latin for a long time, and understand language construction in general pretty well. The example cited above is exactly opposite the impersonal gender in Latin. For example:

consilium = counsel, neuter singular noun
consilia = plans, neuter plural of consilium

I'm sure we could be on to something here, but I'm not expecting a straight up cross over from one language into Akhevan. More likely we will have a hodge podge of elements from many languages. I am sure that even if Akhevan doesn't have a consistent grammar that we could make a lot of headway pursuing this path.

[EZ_ittingles]

going back to the xakra example, the parallels to Roman culture are beginning to jump out at me. Xakra almost certainly means spirit, but in Roman culture, spirits were also known as shades. Shades were dead people that weren't good enough to go to Elyssium, so perpetually wandered the underworld, though sometimes the shades were allowed back on earth, and other times the living were allowed down to hades. So Xakreum is the plural for Xakra, which is roughly "shade" or "spirit" or more generally as an adjective "pertaining to the underworld"

now I'm hooked, i'll have to make a closer study of Akhevan and see what I can figure out.

[EZ_ittingles]

Ok going back through the Vex Thall thread here's something else that struck me. The Val Kerrath mentions freeing the Elysian spirits from their torment. Above I mentioned how those dead that were favored by the gods in Roman culture went to Elysium. So these four? whisperlings are probably dead heroes. Why are they in the umbral plains? (by the way umbral plains could be translated as "plains of toil"). Are they cursed by someone or some god even? Were they captured by some evil force? Maybe they are great heroes but committed some shamefull deed for which they are forced to atone in the Umbral Plains before they can rest in Elysium?

[vaslin]

DOH! I was busy this weekend and missed this thread. I had all of this written down and was going to post it! Bad timing.

[EZ_ittingles]

Yeah, go ahead and post what you have Vaslin, I'm sure you could shed further light on our discussion.

[EZ_Angelsyn]

Has anyone gotten IDs from the Etched Acrylia Runes?

Probably not part of this... but who knows?

[vaslin]

> Yeah, go ahead and post what you have Vaslin, I'm sure you could shed further light on our discussion.

Nope, you've far surpassed me. I'm just getting lazy.

[EZ_Solmancer]

Quote: Ok going back through the Vex Thall thread here's something else that struck me. The Val Kerrath mentions freeing the Elysian spirits from their torment. Above I mentioned how those dead that were favored by the gods in Roman culture went to Elysium. So these four? whisperlings are probably dead heroes. Why are they in the umbral plains? (by the way umbral plains could be translated as "plains of toil&quot . Are they cursed by someone or some god even? Were they captured by some evil force? Maybe they are great heroes but committed some shamefull deed for which they are forced to atone in the Umbral Plains before they can rest in Elysium

The remains say the spirits of the Elysians are caught in a "shadow curse", which likely was inflicted about them by the Akheva (the faction adjustments from turning in skulls leads me to that conclusion). So likely, Luclin herself (my suspicion), or one of the more powerful Akheva is feeling simply evil.

[EZ_Aridian]

Alle the etched runes lore as the same. Etched acylia rune or something.

[EZ_Lleauaric]

Hmm..

More along the Latin thread.. I posted this earlier... but got a HTML comment thingy

Si or Se at the end of verbs in Romantic languages (with Latin roots.. spanish, Italian, ect) causes the verb to become reflexive.. i.e. the Word lavarse, Lavare means to wash.. Lavar SE means to wash ones self..

Quote: [Thu Jan 10 14:38:35 2002] a shak dratha raider says 'Xiallsa! '

So with Xiall meaning justice.. even though its kinda breaking straight latin rules with the addition of the reflexive on a non-verb (unless the word justice is an action in this language)
Xiallsa must mean "I have gotten justice for myself" or something similar "Justice for me" "Justice by me"

[EZ_Unnone]

You're close with the translation of them screaming,"Justice!'

However, Xiall = justice.

So what does Xiallsa mean? Well, it's pretty close to justice, obviously, but not the same. Well, what could be close to it?


Ha ha ha ha. All your bases are belong to us.

Xiallsa = FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

/em ducks around corner to avoid vegetables and stuff.

[EZ_Redi of Qeynos]

Following the lead of seers in Scarlet, I checked one out.

A grol baku seer, little south of the Twilight Sea zone, in a little tent. Saw like 3 of these guys in the area, all in tents, 1 with some Vas Ren. All respond the same to hails and bracketed text. They were the 3 lowest con mobs within tracking range.

Dashes before what he says. This isn't from a log; I'm looking at the machine next to me.

Hail.
- Gobu gobu, bakula erila [shamu eku]?
Shamu eku?
- Weeee Weeee! Shamiku! Weeee!
(he casts a spell now - gate-type bubble graphic)

No response to other non-bracketed words, random Akhevan words, etc.


The faction and storyline with the various types of martian-lookers is interesting... wonder where this will lead.

-Redi

[EZ_Nakath]

don't know if anyone pointed this out already.

Rodcet Nife in the EQ manual kinda looks like a LGF too.

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

Gobu gobu = some kind of greeting I suppose. *Gasp* Maybe they are HK and thats sorta like Hihi, Keke, Bibi, or Waka. Hehe, ok, I'm stupid. I seriously think its a greeting tho.

[EZ_sineral]

transient patrollers in akheva say this when aggrod(or maybe its when they die, its not clear in my screenshot which is happening ;p): "Yikitu uxen jidak!"

when the itraer vius dies, he talks about "Akelha`Ra" being reborn.


sin

[EZ_Twiggie Tymberwolf]

Here is some of the info I have collected:

Agro messages:

[Mon Feb 04 21:31:52 2002] Transient Patroller says 'Yikitu uxen jidak! '
[Mon Feb 04 21:31:52 2002] Transient Patroller says 'Your intolerable reputation insults all in this realm!'

[Mon Feb 04 21:40:35 2002] Xi Xaui says 'Atet ial nekiu ura teka '
[Mon Feb 04 21:40:37 2002] Xi Xaui says 'You will not evade me Vaneldar!'


Death Messages

[Mon Feb 04 21:29:43 2002] A young centi has been slain by Thorondar!
[Mon Feb 04 21:29:43 2002] A young centi says 'Grendal ix thilua? '

[Mon Feb 04 22:20:27 2002] The Itraer Viu's corpse says 'Fools! Your victory will be short lived, Akelha`Ra will be reborn despite your interferance! '

[Mon Feb 04 21:32:57 2002] An Akhevan lifetaker has been slain by Vaellen!
[Mon Feb 04 21:32:57 2002] An Akhevan lif says 'Xua ka n`Xeturis sa Ishinae '

[Mon Feb 04 21:33:06 2002] Transient Patroller has been slain by Almarda!
[Mon Feb 04 21:33:06 2002] Transient Patr says 'Grendal ix thilua? '

[Tue Feb 05 03:02:18 2002] You have slain Xin Thall Centien!
[Tue Feb 05 03:02:18 2002] Xin Thall Cent says 'Xua ane matarun!

Kill messages:

[Mon Feb 04 21:32:28 2002] An Akhevan lifetaker looks down at the corpse as chuckles. 'Ura anir iashta Ishinae t`tekar '
[Mon Feb 04 21:32:28 2002] Jeterek has been slain by An Akhevan lifetaker!

Mob Names:
Thall Tatrua
Xin`Xakru
Xin`Xakra
Tavuel Tatrua


Notice where they use the word Tekar (mortal death) in a few of the messages in some form or another.

[EZ_MEDIC MD]

Anyone find it odd Gallux's summary was of 10 items?

Is it possible we are not looking for a drop named silver links but instead a combination of all these items?

[EZ_Mard]

Wito xi Tetoracu, some mask of Itraer Vius.
Identifies as "the eye of the twilight"

Mard - Prexus

[EZ_Feressa]

Just a note to those thinking of taking a linguistic tack: remember we're dealing with Verant here: the Latin stuff in Sanctus Seru is little more than a jumble of titles. I doubt the Akhevan language will show too much in the way of grammar beyond the basics like plurals etc. Building up a set of translated phrases is the most important thing, that will produce a sort of Rosetta Stone.

One thing might be interesting: has everyone found how to increase Akheva faction? You start out non-KOS to some of the shadow mobs in Maiden's, it might be worth trying to talk to them.

[EZ_Icklymuk]

One time at band camp... At the last fanfair...

Live Quest...

Do you know how many freaken letter substiution puzzles were freaken handed out?

I do not doubt in ANY way that this is EXACTLY what this is...
Once we figure out the pattern here it should be easy to translate this stuff...

I'll get cracking on this in a few...

Considering how much of Luclin is "similar" to the Stargate setup, has anyone looked at Egyptian as a possible parallel?

Trying to read the Akhevan out loud, I almost wanna do it like Imhotep from teh Mummy as it is.

[EZ_Thalish Bladespinner]

From the Vex Thal screenshots:

Itraer Xin Thal
Xin Thal Liako

Itraer Va Dabo
Va Dabo Senshali (enchanter mobs)

Itraer Senshali Xin Thal (enchanter mobs)
Itraer Liako Xin Thal
Itraer Centien Xin Thal

Banshee Senshali (enchanter mobs)

centien banshee
torgorath banshee
liako banshee

Just looking thru those and comparing them to some of the clearly lesser mobs in Akheva:

A Centi Atulus
A Centi Datiar
Teka`Temariel Centi (necro/sk) - death knowledge priest?
Fer`Tatrau Centi (necro/sk)
Gel`Temeriel Centi (necro/sk)
Diabo`Gel`Temeriel (magician)
Vius Centi - shadow priest?
Akuel Centi - gift priest?
Vius`Tekar - shadow death
Akuel'Tekar - gift of death
Rygan Anisher (says 'Tekar Ans Sivuelaeus!')
Renthias`Dator (says 'Atet ial nekiu ura teka ) this may have been cut off, but appears the same in multiple locations in my log

Just more food for thought.



Edited by: Thalish Bladespinner at: 2/12/02 10:06:19 pm

[EZ_Moradorin]

Feressa wrote:
One thing might be interesting: has everyone found how to increase Akheva faction? You start out non-KOS to some of the shadow mobs in Maiden's, it might be worth trying to talk to them.
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Not sure how/if this fits into the big picture, but I found it an NPC in the big Coterie Castle in TM that gave Akheva, and Shak Dratha. The oddest part to me was that he actually looks like a Xi Xaui type mob from ME. The NPCs name was Emissary Oomgado, I wasnt pulling so not sure if he was on the 2nd or 3rd floor, and I only saw him the 1 time in many days of killing Vamps.

The Faction Changes:

Order of Autarkic Umbrage - Down - Who is this? Anyone see that before?
Coterie of the Eternal Night - Down
Valdanov Zevfeer - Down
Akheva - Up
Shak Dratha - Up

I have not seen this faction hit on anything else. I would really love to know something about "Order of Autarkic Umbrage" since I took a hit with them. I know it's not more language info, but it could help to know about this at a later time.

[EZ_Izlude Shadowfang]

I believe the Order are a very powerful group of shadowtype creatures. The quest where you release that shade from the treasure chest sheds more light on this subject. The shade released is a member of the Order and it seems that there are a few of his people but they talk like they are uber hehe

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

Has anyone tried any of the other trade skills using any of the seemingly worthless items from luclin? Who knows, but maybe if ya try smithing (or every trade skill) with the umbral gems you can make a "ring","link",or "seal" or something. /shrug, just throwin stuff out. Hell, maybe you can make molds to make the seals with pottery using an assortment of the luclin 10piece crap set of vendor items... who knows.

[EZ_MalluasBloodthorne]

how many Vex type items are there

Vex xi Vius and? which i have and will identify hehe

[EZ_AshenMonkey]

I think these shade like creatures were enslaved by the Ahkeva, Autarkic points out that they were once enslaved but freed themselves.

Lenron Ashenfist

[EZ_petercorbin]

Theres also 2 named guys in vex thal-

Tetorau Kela Rentha

Fiel Xakra

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

lol, @#%$ christ. Guys, stop being tards and spill the beans on Vex Thall. I know people are there now, so whats up.... whats in there?

[EZ_Runnen]

Noone's been in Vex Thal yet except Tricky who was summoned by a GM. Even Senior Guides are not allowed to gate to this zone to explore it (according to Senior Guide on Povar)

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

Maybe before this last patch you would have been correct. But with all the changes in the game, something is up. Giving rumblecrush a sweet robe, new loot in umbral, complete change in many mobs (permarooted, stat changes, etc,) all leads me to believe that it is now time to enter Vex Thall.

[EZ_1Bepponi1]

I just read this entire thread, and several people hit on my thoughts. Latin, Eqyptian, and a few others. I am not a linguist in any way, but I do love languages and I think Eqyptian might be a bigger clue than given credit here. "Ra" isn't that the ancient egyptian sun god? Also, I think VI has used some ancient egyptian references before, the drolvargs for example look like some of the beasts from "The Mummy Returns" (granted those are hollywood created creatures, but I think the designers probably did some homework before making them. I am certainly going to look for more information and clues!

Bepponi, Heirophant of Innorruuk

[EZ_veenublue]

This has been one of the most energetic and intelligent posts I have read in a while. Thank you.

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

Isnt it tho? hehe

[EZ_Nelven60]

The shissar temple (Ssra) also resembles an Egyptian type place. You can even see a few 'cave drawings' on some pillars throughout the temple. Also as far back as Sebilis crypt has some Egyptian style grafitti on the walls.

There is also a pretty nice Rog only weapon that drops from the Thought Horror Overfient called Tor Vignus. I don't have one however so I can't ID it.

--THO is in The Deep, and THO spawns near the zone to Ssra Temple. -- The Deep is connected to Echo Caverns (which some of the alien bogglings live in, as well as a Taskmaster Shissar).

-- Echo is 'ghetto' connected to Fungus Grove which has alot of different types of mobs in it, introducing the Tarmuks (which are in Dawnshroud as well leading to Maidens, Umbral each getting progessivly harder). There is a Cat NPC near Twilight that is a quest person.. forget what he asks about though

-- Fungus Grove is attached to Twilight Sea ( where the other shade types are).

-- Twilight Sea is connected to Scarlet Desert where the alien camps are that talk to us in their own language.

If you can see where this is going... all the zones are connected in some way. I would count on clues being found everywhere in Luclin. The Shissars like to use names to distinguish rank Rhag'Zadue, Rhag'Vezzoth , Arch Ligh Rhag'Zadune... etc. Perhaps some Ssra items ID in Akhevan. Could be worth looking into.

GM said something about once we figure out what's going on in Luclin there will be little desire to go back to ToV, or Kunark. This has definite potential to peak major interest imo.

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

Now this is what i call a quest.

[EZ_Dreylor]

ok, where's a box of cracker jacks when I need the damn decoder ring!

honestly, I took a look at the words... a lot of them are the same length as the word in common... Vius for instance could be dark, instead of darkness... /shrug... I'll keep looking for clues..

[EZ_Haldin Darconis]

I also noticed that a lot of the words were the same length..

xi = of
ans = the

... and others.

But, there are also a lot that don't match up. However, and this is somewhat remote, they could be doing a multi-letter substitution. Examples could be like "-ing" is "-al" in Akhevan. I doubt this is the case, but I'll look into it.

On another note, usually with simple character substitution, words don't look like words. Since vowels are often replaced consonants, usually things just don't look like a real language. All of the Akhevan words appear to be pronouncable (albeit with some difficulty... ), so I have my doubts that it's character substitution.

Most likely it's just a word = word translation.

I hunted in Akheva last night, and killed some interesting new things and found some new words to try to translate. They're at home, and I'm at work, so I'll have to check into it tonight. I'll post them later.

Haldin Darconis,
Knight of Brell

[EZ_Walknot]

This thread rocks.

I am new to this discussion but it seems to me there may be some conection to the light and dark sides of the moon. Could there be two factions to those who follow Luclin? Could Luclin have two faces? two names?

I have a few items from TM that are strange.

Mark of Peace
Mark of Nature
Mark of Music
and a silver gilded bracelet

All are no drop lore
none
none

They all drop off differently named Coterie. i.e. Duelist, Guard, Trooper, etc. No idea of why coterie would be connected, but they do have a complicated faction hit when they are killed. 5 or 6 different factions if I'm not mistaken.

Someone may also want to check with the Casters in Katta. I will try and find out who said it, but I recall one said something that reminded me of the Akevian stuff. I didnt think twice since I was looking for the NPC which gave out the blood ash faction quest stuff.

Any idea of a connection?

[EZ_Galendril]

The marks and the bracelet are for the TS quests.

[EZ_Solmancer]

You get a small translation (Akuel xi ans Vius = Gift of the Dark) in doing the Cloak of Truth quest.. don't recall any NPC in Katta that would be a "Common <-> Akheva" dictionary though. Been meaning to go back there and maybe look see, based on the seeming knowledge about the Akheva by Katta residents...

[EZ_Caseyas]

After reading all this it just keeps my mind right on the nexus the whole time for some reason. No one really knows how big that black mass is in the center. Who knows, it may be hollow. Could be the underworld.. luclin's lair maybe.*shrugs* Something's gotta explain the way the portal magic gets drawn to it, maybe a battery or magnet for spirits/the spirit realm. When you teleport you could literally be being "spirited away".

But I digress! :P


Quote: Teka`Temariel Centi (necro/sk) - death knowledge priest?


I was leaning toward "(a) Priest of the Knowlage of Death" just beacause it runs together smoother, and would put some use to that ` in there.

Corrections likethat could be put into other translations just to clean them up a little. To help give a clearer picture of the whole.

Normally i would say that there would be some very huge flaws with VI having to cut corners and stuff to save time for the quest team and programmers. But it reallydoes look like they didnt cut so many of them so far. Really starting to shape up.

I wonder if the different types of alien guys play a bigger part in the language structure. There's atleast two different factions/species of the aliens in shadeweaver's thicket (active tailoring zone... of.. swirling shadows,, and kitties a-plenty - yea pretty obvious, but maybe not realized) for example. Finding out more about how they came to be enemies may lead to more clues (or atleast expand overall expansion knowlage).

[EZ_Adonna Bladelore]

Maybe like the post above shows they dont have words like "of", "the","a", etc... Some older languages in our own world use that same method. Like instead of saying "the sky is blue" their language would simply be "blue sky" or "sky blue". Something to think about anyways, because a lot of the text coming out doesnt really make sense but try looking at it in a different way it may make sense.

there are at least 5 different types of the aliens. 4 that are "elemental", and the umbral ones. Of the 4, Earth, Wind, and Water are all allied against Fire, according to the faction adjustments.

Gota wonder if the fact that Umbral toilers, and all the different ones in A-ruins all use the same alien model as the 4 elementals was on purpose, or if it was just Lazy_Verant_modeling_trick_099. Toilers and Co. could have just as easily been made with the robe model, robe with crown, 4 armed, etc. Unfortunatly I've not gotten a chance to explore A-ruins very much, so I dont know how prevailent the 4 armed and robe with crown models are deeper inside.

Ninen of Saryrn
The War Council

[EZ_Izlude Shadowfang]

Actually i think i read somewhere in a different quest thread that the Shaka Dratha were given Akheva blood(this stuff messes up vamps, why not these?)
That might have been a rumor, but also they could be Shadow Elementals
Weird how the fire aliens guard the gateway to the umbral planes... hehe just throwin out some ideas
BTW id help contribute translations, but alas i have no ub3r l33wtz I do love this thread though, keep up the good work

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

Dont know if this means anything but when doing %r and %s i noticed that the Xi Xaui and the Xi Vius (hooded vamps) all conned as females, whereas the Centiens all coned as males. I thought it was worth noting since we are disecting the races and such. btw, all conned as NPC's if any were wondering.

Also, has any other item ided as "Heart of 'something'" as was the case described in the first two posts? Edited by: PimpWarrior at: 2/20/02 3:49:43 am

[EZ_Nibben01]

Are the Akhevans the hooded dudes or the alien looking dudes? I assumed an Akhevan were the hooded type, and a Greater Akhevan were the 4 armed. Are the small alien types the Centi and they have various tribes over the moon? (Grol Baku etc). They serve the Akhevan perhaps? It would make sense as the mobs in ME are called "an umbrous TOILER" implying that they do some kind of work.

[Tabbran]

The alien types are called Tegi, and are extremely adaptable, cause they can live all across the moon, the Akheva saw this, and took advantage of it, and transplanted a few. Or, they abducted some Shak Dratha, since that faction lowers when you kill the toilers, they may still be considered Shak Dratha Tegi, but are on Akheva faction.

But, seriously, there's a couple of Gor Taku (brownish/grey Tegi) shopkeepers in Shadeweaver's thicket, in those caves, near Warlord Gok Thok. There's a blacksmith and a bartender, and they both sell weapons and alcohol named odd things in the Tegi language, perhaps an identify will add more translations? Edited by: Tabbran at: 2/20/02 11:47:41 am

Solmancer said


Quote: So likely, Luclin herself (my suspicion), or one of the more powerful Akheva is feeling simply evil.
I don't recall where I read this, but as lore goes, Grieg Venificus was originally one of geomancers responsible for sending the Combine to the moon. Once they found out there was no way back, they hunted Grieg down and chased him to the area now known as "Grieg's End". Supposedly, Grieg had almost figured out a way to return to Norrath but Luclin caused him to go insane and prevented any return.

Along with the fact that when you kill Grieg, he says something like, "Finally I am free. Kill that bi.. bit.. witch for me, if you can." Referring to none other than Luclin herself

-edit- A little off topic I know, but I had to post something while I rummage through my bank looking for anything that hasnt been ID'd yet. Edited by: Sigpaos at: 2/20/02 4:42:45 pm

[EZ_Adir]

Fascinating discussion, this. I've always had a fondness for linguistic stuff.

Having studied Latin and Spanish for many years (albeit a long time ago), I agree that this language has some similarities to Latin.

Lleauaric inidicated in a post that "xiall" means "justice". Are we certain that it does? Are we sure it doesn't mean "vengence", instead? They aren't too dissimilar concepts, afterall.

Quote: [Thu Jan 10 14:38:35 2002] a shak dratha raider says 'Xiallsa!'

If speculation is right, and "-sa" makes the word reflexive, then it might actually translate as "Avenge me!", which seems to me to make a little more sense given the situation.

Just tossing a couple coppers into the discussion.


Adir
54th necromancer
Children of the Phoenix
Tunare server
Edited by: Adir at: 2/20/02 6:27:55 pm

[EZ_Lenalena]

Sorry if I'm repeating something that someone else has said, but has anyone checked all of the trainers in Luclin for "Ahkeva" to train in as a language?

People [Trainers] who did not reside on luclin would not be familiar with the language, but those who do, may..

[EZ_Haldin Darconis]

I have the following information, most of it is not translated, or is new words:

Transient Patroller says 'Yikitu uxen jidak! ' (Attack Message) ... No idea on this.
Transient Patr says 'Grendal ix thilua?
Xi Xaui says 'Atet ial nekiu ura teka ' (Death) ... Death at the end of the message, the rest is new
Altar Priest says 'Xua ka n`Xeturis sa Ishinae' (Death) ... Luclin is the only thing I recognize in this.

Then there are some mob names that I thought might be interesting:
Gel`Temeriel ... Temeriel... That's similar to "Knowledge"
Fer`Tatrau Centi
Diabo`Teka`Temariel
Renthias`Dator
Rygan Anisher says 'Tekar Ans Sivuelaeus! ' (Mortal Death The <something>) ... Probably "Death to the....", since it's his attack message.
Renthias`Dator

There is also an alien that spawns called the Lorekeeper. He is a rather rare spawn near the altar priest. He is between 56th and 60th, but is a pretty easy fight. I wonder if it'd be possible to get any information from him... Hmm.

Lots of info, not much usable at this time. But maybe someone else has a clue.

Haldin Darconis

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

Call me a tard, but where is this lorekeeper?

[EZ_Haldin Darconis]

Hmm, I'll try my best to describe the path and area...

From the zone in:

Follow the hall to the first junction. Head straight. You'll pass through some rock monsters (shade golems, I believe they're called). When you reach the next junction, head right.

It's a short hallway, and you'll reach an intersecting hallway. Take a dogleg to the right through a very short hallway, then head left. You'll reach another junction with many stacked arches in the back (looks almost Roman...). Head right. Beware, this is the first of several Mind Worm traps.

After a short distance, there will be some stairs on your left. Head up these stairs. More Mindworm traps. Follow this large hallway all the way until another junction. This junction will have a pillar in the middle of it. On the opposite side from which you entered this junction, there's a very short hallway.

The Altar Priest spawns in the back part of this hallway, and the Lorekeeper spawns right in front of it.

I'm going by memory here, so I *may* be wrong with the directions, but I'm pretty sure they're right. Don't hold me responsible if you make a wrong turn and get yourself killed, heh.

Oh, just FYI... We've made this trip with as little as 5, most of which are extremely well equipped, but you really do need someone to mez the Mind worms, or else your cleric is going to go OOM from them (they drain mana). The zone has a quick respawn, so you have to keep moving.


Haldin Darconis

[EZ_Trewayn]

Ans Fiel'Tan - The light of day

Discovered while browsing Magelo's item database.

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

Are you talking about akheva?

[Panamah]

I think I have a friend that can read heiroglyphs. I wonder if he could read some stuff in Ssra Temple.

Are there also Heiroglyphs in Akheva? I seem to recall there were.

[Talanic]

I think that the Shak Dratha are no longer considered Tegi, but, rather, are Centi.

I killed a grol baku leader (I think it was grol baku, at least; not sure) and got a Tegi Leader's Blade.

Meanwhile, killing Shak Dratha nets you plenty of Centi meat, Centi weapons, etc.

Whatever it is that transforms them into Centi, it is a complete species change, I think.


...I can't remember where it was that I originally got a connection between tegi and centi and akheva, however, I seem to recall something in the valdanov zevfeer quest, I think.

[EZ_Derufin]

been reading this post off and on...very interesting.

I too have noticed the dislike for the Red (Fire) Aliens by the others on Luclin. I spent a few levels hunting the Tro Jeg's (fire) aliens in Scarlet and gained tons of faction with the other aliens. Just a thought, but maybe the Shak Dratha were abducted and twisted somehow into the Centi by the Ahkevan's (sp?); hence changing them from Earth, Wind, Water, or Fire into (maybe) a Shadow Elemental type.

/shrug

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

Uh, do the Centiens (4 armed dudes in the maiden's eye) have a similar counterpart elsewhere in the scarlet desert? IF so, you might be on to something.

[EZ_Haldin Darconis]

Yes, my description of where the Lorekeeper is located is within Akheva Ruins.

Don't some of the fire and water aliens drop a "Chunk of Condensed" fire or water? Well... In Akheva, they drop chunks of condensed shadow. Makes sense that they are alligned with the shadow element. The following is a description taken from everquest.station.sony.co...eities.jsp

L U C L I N · The Maiden of Shadows
Luclin, the Maiden of Shadows rules the Plane of Shadow, She is short of stature, about 4'9" tall; sleek and thin, with an elfin body structure. Her short hair is deep gray with long side locks down to her stomach. Her silver eyes have no pupils and her skin is solid black. She wears black and gray robes and a shadowy mist perpetually swirls around her feet. In one hand she bears a massive silver and platinum staff carved in the shape of two tendrils wrapping around one another to form two humanoid hands at the top. Floating just above the cupped palms of the hands is a small black orb whose surface has an iridescent sheen similar to that of oil.

So, the Centi are Tegi that have joined (or forced...) onto the side of the Akheva, and most likely Luclin herself. Edited by: Haldin Darconis at: 2/21/02 7:50:23 pm

[EZ_Solmancer]

Quote: I too have noticed the dislike for the Red (Fire) Aliens by the others on Luclin. I spent a few levels hunting the Tro Jeg's (fire) aliens in Scarlet and gained tons of faction with the other aliens. Just a thought, but maybe the Shak Dratha were abducted and twisted somehow into the Centi by the Ahkevan's (sp?); hence changing them from Earth, Wind, Water, or Fire into (maybe) a Shadow Elemental type.

Per a Katta quest (the infamous one involving the elusive Valdanov Zevfeer), it's known that Akheva blood causes mutations in non-Akhevan entities, when introduced into their circulatory systems. (Yes, I'm practically quoting the shade.) It's also known that the Akheva infuse their blood and basically mutate Tegi, which is likely the resultant factor of Centi. Why they do such, who knows?

Also, the connection of the (female) shades (Xi Xaui, Xi vius) with the Akheva is currently unknown. At least, no one I know has much of an idea of what their involvement here is. Likely, a lot of things will become clearer once people begin to explore (not ransack) Vex Thal, whenever that zone opens to the public, so to speak.


P.S. -- Centiens (Akheva) are found only in Maiden, Akheva, Umbral, and apparently Vex Thal as well. I've been through Scarlet a bit and haven't seen one.

[EZ_Malqanar]

Quote: The remains say the spirits of the Elysians are caught in a "shadow curse", which likely was inflicted about them by the Akheva (the faction adjustments from turning in skulls leads me to that conclusion). So likely, Luclin herself (my suspicion), or one of the more powerful Akheva is feeling simply evil.

Heres some info on that from a book purchasable in Shar Vahl.

Title: The History of Dar Khura Volume I

Shortly after our city's first walls were completed, Dar Khura went to King Kerrath and told him of a recurring vision he had been experiencing. In the dream, the shaman perceived some unknown force tampering with the balance of the spirit realm.

Volume II:

Dar Khura's research was quick to provided insight into one of the races of this new place. The Spiritists grew to know this race as the Akheva. They were determined to be a semi-immortal race.

Research found that when one is slain, it is reborn anew. Over time, Dar Khura discovered that when an Akheva was reborn, a sacred member of the spirit realm was destroyed. This, he surmissed, was the meaning of his initial visions.

[EZ_Gallux]

Ok decided to add the new items found and post an updated word list. I have made two assumptions that I will outline in the next post.

Temariel Vex = Heart of Knowledge
Vex Xi Vius = The Heart of Darkness
Akuel xi ans Vius = Gift Of The Dark
Ans Xundrau xi Tekar = The Weapon Of Mortal Death
Kel Xundrau xi Tekar = A weapon Of Mortal Death
Kel Xundrau xi Xauninae = A Weapon Of Luclin
Wito Xi Tetoracu = Eye Of Twilight
Collar of Tavuel Xakreum = Collar of Tortured Spirits
Vereor Mask = Mask of Terror
Itraer Insignia = Symbol Of The Shadow
Ishinaear Xiall = Luclin's Justice
Ans Fiel`Tian = The Light Of Day

Akuel = Gift
Ans = The
Fiel = Light
Ishinaear = Luclin (God)
Itraer = Shadow
Kel = A
Tavuel = Tortured
Temariel = Knowledge
Tetoracu = Twilight
Tekar = Mortal Death
Tian = Day
Vereor = Terror
Vex = Heart
Vius = Darkness
Wito = Eye
Xakra = Spirit
Xakreum = Spirits
Xauninae = Luclin (Moon)
Xi = Of
Xiall = Justice
Xundrau = Weapon
Edited by: Gallux at: 2/23/02 8:54:35 am

[EZ_Gallux]

When I saw the item "Ans Fiel`Tian" I knew we could get a little bit more info out of it than most items. The translation is "The Light Of Day".

We know "Ans" is "The". This means "Fiel`Tian" is "Light Of Day". I was expecting this item to be called "Ans Fiel Xi Tian" so I was a bit confused.

One of the earlier posts has some information about a mob in Vex Thal called "Fiel Xakra". We know "Xakreum" means spirits and I think a lot of people believe "Xakra" means spirit. I searched Magelo for "Xakra" and found a few very interesting items (some are tailored).

Xakra Bile
Xakra Blood
Xakra Kel Cap
Xakra Kel Cape
Xakra Kel Chocker
Xakra Kel Cord
Xakra Kel Pants
Xakra Kel Sandals
Xakra Kel Shawl
Xakra Kel Shirt
Xakra Kel Wristband

These items lack the identify information, but I think translation is simple. "Xakra Blood" is going to be "Spirit Blood". "Xakra Kel Cap" is going to translate to "A Spirit Cap".

Making my assumption of "Xakra" being spirit, I went back to the word "Fiel Xakra". "Fiel" is going to mean either "Light" or "Day". So I get 2 possibilities.

Day Spirit
Light Spirit

I think its pretty obvious now that its going to mean "Light Spirit".

So now we have Akheva being a place of Darkness and Vex Thal being a place that contains something related to Light. I know this is a big jump, but so far everything found in Akheva has been related to darkness or shadow. Im not going to make any more assumptions about Vex Thal for now other than hint about it possibly being the oppositive to Akheva or in conflict with Akheva. In sure the Luclin lore buffs will be able to expand further about Vex.

[EZ_Evisceros Headcutter]

Excellent post!!!

I think the reason that "Xakra" is not ID'd on things like Xakra bile, blood, etc. is that while it most certainly means "spirit", I also think that it may just be a proper name for these spirits...kind of like how "Kleenex" is used both as a proper name for a brand of tissue, and also commonly used to identify any brand of the same product.

[EZ_Uber]

Great post Guys, lotta nice work.

Hmmm, however all this talk about aliens made me think around in circles, that this content could somehow be linked into other games coming out in the future?

Regards
Uber Marxz
58 Barbarian Blackguard

[EZ_Eumerin]

I see one problem with the Xakra = spirit translation. The Xakra bile listed above comes from the Xakra larvae that are found in the pit below Shar Vahl. These disgusting worm-like creatures don't seem to resemble spirits. Unless someone specifically translated Xakra as 'spirit' (and not just Xakreum as 'spirits'), I would guess that there is something being missed here.
That would also seem to indicate that the Fiel Xakra may very well be a large worm.

[EZ_Solmancer]

Had a thought. Disclaimer: I babble when I write things like this, please bear with me.

Centi is thought to be "Priest". Well we also have "Centien", which could likely mean "(male) priest". (The usage of it is on Akheva which are male -- Xin Thall Centien.) In other words, an -en suffix could perhaps be a qualifier towards gender, to the masculine in this case.

Same with Xi versus Xin. Small change, possibly stronger meaning. Xi is assuredly "of", perhaps "Xin" could mean "from"? Xi Vius = "Of Dark", or perhaps "Darkened" or "Shaded". Xin Thall Centien. While we aren't sure what "Thall (Thal)" means, it's speculated to mean "Shadow". Assuming so, we could perhaps have "(Male) Priest from the Deep Shadow". I put in a few words there, mostly because of the extra 'L' being perhaps a form of emphasis. I couldn't think of a word that basically was a stronger, more superlative form of "shadow". The "the" in there was to make it flow better, and from another thing, see below.

On to the other stuff...

Akheva Ruins mob - Teka`Temariel Centi -- Priest of Deathly Knowledge. Or, even better: Priest *with* Deathly Knowledge. Simplified, as I see it: Necromancer, perhaps by definition of what a Necromancer is. (If they're not necromancers/SKs, I'm in trouble So I'm basically saying that apostraphes here seem to change a noun into adjective or adverb, depending on the word it's attached to. At least, that's my speculation.

Next on the list, implied "filler" words (conjunctions, articles, prepositions, etc.). Like with "Teka`Temariel Centi", you could seemingly put in those kinds of words. See the above paragraph for what I mean. Meaning, you don't necessarily need "xi" or "Ans" in a given phrase to have that be placed in. I think those words only give added emphasis to a given name. Like in spanish: "Soy" means "I am", but "Yo soy" is still "I am" only the Yo (also means "I"), only emphasizes yourself. Like *I* am that person. Versus I am that person.


Anyway, I'll quit going on, but here's all that for mental digestion.

[EZ_Sashanna]

The Va`Dyn (in akheva - mini boss across from The Itraer Vius) drops a NO RENT rock thing - it has the graphic of a jacinth but I cant remember the exact name - Im guessing that it is a quest item.

[EZ_farmatyr1]

I have a few ideas.

First, Itraer Insignia translating as symbol of shadow or whatever doesn't mean much. It could be intended to be the insignia of the itraer vius, and just got shortened. So Itraer could still mean greater or whatever.

Something that struck me when I saw ans used without a preposition is that ans is a contraction of 'an das' in german, where you say the (das here) in a lot of places you wouldn't in english. My thought was that through something like this, ans might imply a default preposition if there isn't another given.

How accurate is the latin they use? If it's accurate enough that it looks like they had someone who actually knew latin doing names, then we should consider that latin has a lot more forms of words than english does, and Akhevan might follow latin moreso than english. If so, we might be able to establish that certain word endings imply nouns, others verbs, and so on. For example, Xiall for justice (or vengeance, same thing), xiallsa for I will bring you to justice. (pretty sure this was attack message, not death message)

parallels:
Rygan Anisher says 'Tekar Ans Sivuelaeus! ' (attack message)
a lesser shade says 'Ura anir teka xeturi sivuela! ' (attack message)

Sivuelaeus is clearly a form of sivuela. Both also contain teka or tekar.

'Ura anir iashta Ishinae t`tekar '
'Ura anir teka xeturi sivuela! '

I suspect ura means sort of like 'I will', anir is "you".

'Xua ka n`Xeturis sa Ishinae'
'Ura anir teka xeturi sivuela! '

Xeturi refers to a PC. Could be 'enemy', 'intruder' or anything like that. Maybe the last sentence says, "I will kill the enemy for trespassing"

I'm pretty confident that anything that ends in -a is a verb. If we could find anything else with n`(noun) or t`(noun) it would help to figure these out. Edited by: farmatyr1 at: 2/26/02 3:49:28 pm

[Lenardo]

just a thought,,,

what do orcs etc say when aggro'd

something on the line of i won't let you ruin my lands...(paraphrased)


could that last sentence be ahkevan for that line?

[EZ_Sehra]

Larger versions of the Xakra are refered to as "Mind Worms".

Perhaps another way of translating that would be "Spirit Worms", or in their more advanced form, "Worms that drain Spirit(s)"

If so, that would help settle the conflict between Spirits and little icky wormies.

[EZ_Evisceros Headcutter]

Every item that has the name Xakra on it(besides bile, blood, etc.), the ID translates directly to the word "spirit". If we discount that, then we might as well dump this whole thread.

[EZ_Raleanaex]

Itraer most likely means "Mistress".

This comes from the fact that the Itraer Vius is female, she has two spells, one of which is "The touch of the Mistress" and we already have determined that Vius means dark.

Therefore Itraer Vius = Mistress of the Dark or Mistress of Darkness.

It would probably be safe to assume that the Itraer Vius is either the high priestess of Luclin or perhaps she is an avatar of Luclin herself in the vein of the Statue of Rallos Zek being inhabited by the god and then spawning the AoW.

Lady Raleanae Lifespring

[EZ_Aauminki]

I'm pretty sure the "gender" command (I forget which %<char> it is) returns "he" when using it on Fred (our IV nickname).

[EZ_Zarina Heartilly]

I dont know if she, but when doing %o its says 'The Itraer Vius' is a he. ??

[EZ_Offbeat Trainbait]

He could be casting the "touch of the mistress" in the same way that a male druid casts "Tunares xxxx"

I think the Mistress referred to is most likely Luclin, but the IV himself seems most likely to be male.

[EZ_farmatyr1]

Of course, one wonders who's doing continuity over there at verant when Luclin can be refered to as both a Maiden and a Mistress.

[EZ_PimpWarrior]

I dont know about the IV, but i do know that every single last Xi Vius that i have conned have been females. Whereas all the four armed ones are male.

[EZ_Sylphe]

Quote: Of course, one wonders who's doing continuity over there at verant when Luclin can be refered to as both a Maiden and a Mistress.

Luclin can be both, since a maiden is simply a woman that is a virgin or is unmarried. And a Mistress in this case would be a woman with ultimate control over something; in this case the moon (which is named after her, which seems to me that she has a good deal of control over the place).

Itraer casting Touch of the Mistress doesn't make him a mistress, rather a minion doing her bidding.

[EZ_Shihan Nahihs]

Has anyone seen these screenshots?

www.psyborg.com/screenshots.html

The first shot shows some mobs Ive never seen before...might give us additional insight.

[EZ_Zarina Heartilly]

Seen it.

Its a guide I dink?

[EZ_Kailynn Quel]

Tor Vignas(sp?) ID's as exactly that. nothing special.

Kailynn

[EZ_Redi of Qeynos]

Anything recent of interest to add?

-Redi

[EZ_Rook]

I found an interesting parallel with the lesser shades' (in Shadeweaver's) attack, death, and kill messages. The attack message was posted earlier...

[attack message] a lesser shade says 'Ura anir *teka xeturi sivuela! '
[death message - lesser shade dies] a lesser shade says 'Xau anir aus diun xeturisun! '
[death message - lesser shade kills you] a lesser shade says 'Ans sivuela ial temar attaumis! '

I haven't put too much thought into this yet, but notice in both the attack and death message the words "anir" and "xeturi" are used, and in both the attack and kill message the word "sivuela" is used.

Note, there is an extra space in the attack message between anir and teka. This could just be a typo (red herring) but some NPCs have an extra space in their speach when inserting the race, name, etc, of their target in their sentence.

Also, this might not be useful, but here is a gor taku attack message (just looks kinda jumbled to me): a gor taku scout says 'I maku da mlech! Yoo DIE! '

[EZ_Redi of Qeynos]

Certainly looks to be Akhevan there, though I can't make out the exact words. Any faction hits on the shades when they die?

-Redi

[EZ_Rook]

No faction hits from killing lesser shades in Shadeweaver's Thicket.

A couple of these words look like forms of words translated in Gallux's post...
teka: Tekar = Mortal Death
temar: Temariel = Knowledge
and "Ans" is already known to mean "The"

I think farmatyr1 is on the right track. Since it seems like people have run out of items to identify for direct translations, we'll have to start deciphering Akhevan sentences of NPCs to get any further

[EZ_Snarky00]

Has anyone looked at the no drop book from toilers in ME ? its chalked full of this language. I dont remember but isn't there a trick to look at what all a book says if its in a language you dont know ? It probably doesn't apply here because its a direct translation and not just random dont have that language skill giberish but still worth a try IMO

[EZ_Redi of Qeynos]

If you identify a book/scroll/etc, it will tell you what language it's written in (assuming it's readable). I believe that the books dropping in Akheva (and off toilers in ME) are written in Combine, and are just there to provide the new baking recipes.

AFAIK, Akhevan isn't a PC-learnable language. This thread pretty much details all we know of it.

-Redi

[EZ_Dargathi Kithkanan]

Couple of things...

We knoe that VI bought on a large number of new developers for Luclin, it's entirely possible that one or more of these had in the ast developed a full language, grama and all for a previous game, or simpley because they could.

Secondly I've done a bit of cryptology in the past. The recurrance of hard consonants (X, T, V) point away from this being a simple character translation code.

Also the nature of some of the words (Xi, Xinm Vex, Vius) being easily pronouncable also point away from a character translation code.

however, the nature of many of the phrases that you guys have already found do point towards a simple WORD translation code.

So it's possible it's either. Word translation or a full language.


Reference set used

Temariel Vex = Heart of Knowledge
Vex Xi Vius = The Heart of Darkness
Akuel xi ans Vius = Gift Of The Dark
Ans Xundrau xi Tekar = The Weapon Of Mortal Death
Kel Xundrau xi Tekar = A weapon Of Mortal Death
Kel Xundrau xi Xauninae = A Weapon Of Luclin
Wito Xi Tetoracu = Eye Of Twilight
Collar of Tavuel Xakreum = Collar of Tortured Spirits
Vereor Mask = Mask of Terror
Itraer Insignia = Symbol Of The Shadow

Akuel = Gift
Ans = The
Itraer = Shadow
Kel = A
Tavuel = Tortured
Temariel = Knowledge
Tetoracu = Twilight
Tekar = Mortal Death
Vereor = Terror
Vex = Heart
Vius = Darkness
Wito = Eye
Xi = Of
Xakreum = Spirits
Xauninae = Luclin
Xundrau = Weapon


BTW, keep it up, very interesting reading so far.

[EZ_gr8edchz]

I was just wondering. Why should I have to learn akhevan outside the game? Shouldn't there be a way for my character to learn akhevan? I never did much w/ languages in EQ, but does anyone have any thoughts on that?

[Lenardo]

to "read" a language you do not know in EQ well


click on the item to read it
on a piece of paper make a line for every word you see on the page, then
scan the words - if you see a normal word write it down on the appropriate line
click on it again
scan again
click again
scan again
etc etc etc
til you have every line filled out with a irl word.

[EZ_crombur]

This thread is very interesting stuff, keep up the good work.

I looked at the attack message for a lesser shade:

'Ura anir teka xeturi sivuela! '

What if the word "anir" is used like "will". The sentence would then be "You(Ura) will(anir) die(teka) ?(xeturi) ?(sivuela)". This would explain the difference between

Teka (die, dying, maybe even kill)
Tekar(Mortal Death)

I think they only use mortal death when referring to us since they are reborn as it was said in another post.

Crombur

[EZ_Tufriast Fastcaster]

Someone was saying that Akhevean is just Latin put in a different way..is this true? Anyone speak latin?

[EZ_Haldin Darconis]

Hmm, I was doing some searching. Maybe this will help some people.

I have a feeling some of these words (if not all) have been taken from a real language. I think Akhevan is actually... well, something.

Here's an interesting thing:
latin.gal.ohio-state.edu/...unctiv.htm

Now, scroll down to the bottom... Vereor (which we've found to mean "Terror") actually means "Fear" in latin. I think most people would agree that that's the same word. So, we know that one word is latin!

Now, I've done some searching for other words, some of the more unusal ones. I haven't been getting "Latin" hits, but I have been getting different Georgian or Kartvelian (sometimes also spelled Kartevelian) languanges. Interesting, do some searching in Google (or your favorite search engine... ) for some of these Akhevan words, as well as Georgian and Kart(e)velian.

I'm going to keep looking into this, but maybe we'll find out what language this is, and then just be able to translate....

Haldin Darconis
Knight of Brell Edited by: Haldin Darconis at: 3/25/02 10:23:04 pm

[EZ_Bronkus TZT]

This is a very interesting subject and i dont want it to die out, so i decided to post some. This is what i got from about a half hour of research, i will keep looking for more information.

Russian
Vex= Of Landmarks,Poison
Wito=Sheet Rubber

German
Ans=To The

French
Ans=Years

Spanish
Anos which is similiar to Anos=Years

Latin
Annus also means=years Edited by: Bronkus TZT at: 3/25/02 8:17:05 pm

[EZ_FeynantheWizard]

Lucid Shards have been popping up all around Luclin, each one identifying as something else (information can be found on the Vex Thal Consolodated Info post, near the end).

It has been speculated that these identifications come from the Akhevan language, is anyone who knows the language well able to translate them? The current ones are (probably more will be found):
Vin
Raf
Daz
Ved
Kelara

[EZ_Desbarolis]

Doesn't look like anyone made the connection ... just thought of it myself.

Vex Thal = City of Shadow

Vex is thought to be 'heart' by others in the thread. I'd assume that maybe it means 'home', which heart in the non-physical sense can roughly mean home, as can home roughly mean heart in the non-physical sense.

Thal, I didn't see a translation, so unless I'm mistaken, Shadow is the obvious translation.

-Desbarolis -- Virtuoso

[EZ_Haldin Darconis]

Hm, I'm not sure about "Vex" being "City"... although, City of Shadow, and Heart of Shadow both seem like valid names for Vex Thal. Personally, I even think that calling it the Heart of Shadow sounds better.

Thal... yeah, we haven't found a translation for that. But Shadow is probably a good idea. Although Vius means Darkness, which is very similar to Shadow. Additionally, there are the Xin Thalls, Xin Thall Centiens, and so forth. Xin seems to be a modification of Xi, which means "Of". So that'd mean Of Shadow. Sounds good... except for one thing. The Xin Thalls are four-arms, not robes. Maybe it's just a technicality, maybe not.

Ugh, I just hate that almost no new information is coming out about this. It seems like we're so close to something, but there just isn't enough information.

Perhaps we should try hailing NPCs and seeing if they respond to saying things in Akhevan? Perhaps the Shei would like being asked questions in his own language? Maybe something with the remains in Umbral? I'm just fishing for ideas here...

[EZ_Zanditin Ragnarok]

I have been extremly interested in this post/topic, and have been a long time reader.

I have a few ideas (read opinions not facts) that just may be correct. I believe that Xaui means light. So the robed mobs named Xi Xaui would translate as Of Light. At first glance this doesn't seem to make sense, but hear me out.

Dictionary.com defines shadow as:

An area that is not or is only partially irradiated or illuminated because of the interception of radiation by an opaque object between the area and the source of radiation

This basically is saying that a shadow cannot exist without light. Due to the shadow being created by light being blocked.



I also think that Thal or Thall means Evil and Centien means Priest (this is based on the fact that most if not all Xin Thall Centiens are in fact Clerics). This would mean Vex Thal would be translated as "Heart of Evil" and Xin Thall Centien, assuming Xin means the same thing as Xi just as a different gender, would mean "Priest of Evil". To me, this makes perfect sense.

Another thing I was thinking was that Tekar "Mortal Death" might actually mean or could be interpreted as "to cause death to mortals".

Tell me what you think, please.

[EZ_Naresha]

Fiel was translated as Light i think a few pages back. and Tian as day, or vice versa. So Xaui is not Light.

Fiel'Tian = Light of Day.

I don't think Thall would translate to Evil.

I compiled this list awhile back from the info from this thread and some guesswork.

Vex = Heart / Heart of
Temariel = Knowledge
Xi = Of
Vius = Darkness
Akuel = Gift
Ans = The
Xundrau = Weapon
Tekar = Mortal Death
Teka = die?
Xauninae = Luclin ( refering to the moon )
Centien = Priest ( ??? unconfirmed )
Wito = Eye
Tetoracu = Twilight
Tavuel = Tortured
Xakreum = Spirits ( plural of Xakra )
Xakra = Spirit/Shade ( singular of Xakreum )
Vereor = Terror?
Itraer = Shadow? / Greater?
Kel = A
Ishinaear = Luclin ( refering to the diety )
Xiall = Justice
Xiallsa = 'Justice by me'?
Senshali = Enchanter/Beguiler/Phantasmist?
Teka`Temariel Centi = Priest of Knowledge of Death?
Diabo = Magician/Summoner/Elementalist/Conjurer/Arch Mage?
Fiel = Light
Tian = Day
Edited by: Naresha at: 3/29/02 6:05:59 am

[EZ_Keadaian Songborne]

Quote:
Lucid Shards have been popping up all around Luclin, each one identifying as something else (information can be found on the Vex Thal Consolodated Info post, near the end).

It has been speculated that these identifications come from the Akhevan language, is anyone who knows the language well able to translate them? The current ones are (probably more will be found):
Vin
Raf
Daz
Ved
Kelara


I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that those are numbers. Part hunch, part based on word length...

[EZ_Sorran]

That's an incredibly interesting idea - I wonder how it can be tested. I haven't seen any other Akhevan related item that might have a number as part of its name. There is speculation in that consolidated Vex Thal thread that the Lucid shards are the 10 medallion pieces needed for the Vex Thal key quest (only 5 have been found so far though). If the Akhevan numeric system is a 10-based system, 10 numerals (ie. 0 through 9) are all you need for a complete numbering system. Well almost - you need a "negative" sign as well, but we probably don't have to worry about that.

Cheers,

Sorran
Heirophant of <Elitists and Vagrants>

[EZ_Samual 68]

Bump

[EZ_Smoking Dorf]

Another akhevan sentence: "Ura Anir Temar Tekar!". Thats what SV says after killing someone.

[EZ_Vesi]

Shei Vinitras says 'Sivuelaeus Rulour ans Rashan! '

when aggroed

[EZ_Mowang the Cleric]

I like what I see

If anyone is thinking that these item drops are part of the container portion of the quest, doesnt the container require only "tiny" items. Some of them are Medium.

Mowang!
High Priest of Endorean
upinya!

[EZ_Galendril]

The spire shades mention numbers. Perhaps they are part of the puzzle.

[EZ_Sharpie Mharkur]

Judging by other posts and logical assumptions therein, I guess Ura anir Temar Tekar would be You will know death?

[EZ_Qhue]

The 10 Lucid Shards when identified are ordered from 1-10 not by Aza, Beza etc as most Norrath things are, but instead by Kel, Dax, Kelara etc

These are the Ahekvan alphabet/number system which seems to be a base-10 construct.

From the translations about Kel = A, the first shard ID's as 'Kel'

The 10th shard (from its item ID number) is Kelara = Kel (1 or A) + Ara (0) = 10 = Kelara. It is the only shard that has a 6 letter name because it is the only 2 digit shard.

With a couple of gaps due to unfound shards the Ahkevan alphabet is thus:

Kel , <space>, <space>, Raf, Vin, Dax, Lor, <space>, Ved, Kelara

[EZ_Aneur Treewalker]

First off, i'd like to say well done to all who have been working on this. It must have taken a lot of perseverence to get to where we are. (Ive even used some Akhevan in my new sig. Shame i cant use it here due to the 15k limit )

Anyways... my 2cp

Quote: Vex Thal = City/heart of Shadow

I don't think this is true due to the fact we know Itraer = Shadow. Maybe Thal could mean something like Power (eg Heart of Power) seeing as it's where Luclin herself supposedly keeps residence.

Thats it. I'll keep reading and hopefully replying

[EZ_farmatyr1]

We dont' know that Itraer means shadow. Itraear Insignia identifies as Symbol of the Shadow or something. If it's the symbol of the Itraer Vius (damn I gotta look upthe spelling for that), this could just be a minor mistake. I.e. the IV is "the shadow", and whoever created the insignia shortened it without knowing Akhevan well.

[EZ_Aalilazen]

interesting read.

i was just thinking by looking at them, that some translations are reversed, so if Thall does translate into Shadow, couldn't Vex Thall be Shadow's Heart? Thinking this mainly because if it was Heart of Shadow, it would be Vex Xi Thall, since of translates into Xi.

[EZ_Coeran]

Hello! I just stumbled upon this thread and found it extremely interesting, as I am very interested in languages. Also, being Italian and having studied Latin and classical Greek for several years I can perhaps provide another point of view.

Some Latin influences are definitely there (see Vereor: in Latin is a verb and means "to be afraid"), especially in Grieg's. I haven't been in there a lot, but I remember seeing mobs called "An Atra Somnium". Atrum in Latin means dark, somnium is dream. Now Latin behaves very much like Italian for some things and requires adjectives to be put in the same gender/number/case of the noun to which they refer and in this case there's a mistake, since atra can be either feminine singular or neuter plural, while somnium is neutral singular.
Taking names from Allakhazam here are some observations:

A Lucid Vision: (lucidus in latin/lucido in Italian) means polished, shiny.
An Occisor Acerbus: occisor = killer, murderer; acerbus = unripe.
Cubicularius Wringordus: cubiculum = small room; cubicularium would be someone who is in a small room.
Grieg Veneficus: veneficus = poisonous.
Occisor Primorus: might be a mistake, primus = first, most important, so "occisor primus" would mean "Head Murderer" while "occisor primorum" would mean "killer of the first ones" or "killer of the best"
Praetorian Myral: praetores were guards, especially for the emperor.

Also Latin (like German, Russian and some other languages) has cases, that is a word takes a different ending depending on its use. For example: homo = man, hominibus = to the men (and no, the homo in homosexual comes from the greek "homos" that means "same"). This might explain the different endings that words have, but I believe it might be a bit too much work for the developers to write down a case-based grammar.

Coming back to Akhevan, a guess I'd say that Sivuela means "alien" or something like that, to indicate everyone who is not from Luclin, and sivuelaeus could simply be a plural form. This would make them say something like 'I will kill you alien' or similar.

[EZ_Sharpie Mharkur]

Veneficus can also imply a spell caster/witch or witchcraft... That's generally the usage of it that I have seen in books, etc, the venemous part of it never really occurred to me before until your post... A large number of Web-wiccans and Net-Covens seem to be fond of the word, though I wonder if any know it's actual written definition as much as it being a l33t majick phrase...

[EZ_Aamaeb]

Vyanemis Tuis = ?

[EZ_Iuvili Niphredil]

Quote: I compiled this list awhile back from the info from this thread and some guesswork.

Vex = Heart / Heart of
Temariel = Knowledge
Xi = Of
Vius = Darkness
Akuel = Gift
Ans = The

I am not so sure that "xi" means "of" given that there are mobs in ME whose names are prefaced with "xi" and "xin" (Xi Vius, Xin Thall, etc), which would indicate it rather to mean "a" and "an"; which, of course, also would mean that "vius" would not mean "Darkness". Since Vius always seems to appear capitalized, that would indicate it to be rather a proper name, title or noun.

Btw, good job, Coeran..

[EZ_Llanoldar Lluindar]

Just because its at the beginning of the name doesn't mean it's not 'of'.

They could be 'Of the something'

As in Xi Vius = 'Of darkness'

Remember we're dealing with a completely different (and made up) culture with its own language and syntax and everything, so we can't make assumptions based on English syntax and grammatical conventions.

[EZ_Aneur Treewalker]

Quote: They could be 'Of the something'

As in Xi Vius = 'Of darkness'

Reminds me of a book i read for my english course at school canlled Handmaids Tale. Women were assigned to the men and they were then known as 'Of<name>'. So if a woman was assigned to a man named Fred she would be known as 'Offred'

[EZ_Aneur Treewalker]

Oh I managed to translate the Shaded Tome from Akheva in hopes of finding something out. No chance though. Its a tradeskill book . Heres the translation.

Quote: Bauric has gone completely insane now. Yesterday we were attacked by some kind of worm like creatures. The smaller ones were not much trouble but the larger ones nearly overcame us. Perhaps my time in the ruins has played with my sanity, but I would have sworn that I could feel the worm's presence in my mind. Stealing my essence and my sanity. I am now almost certain that I'll never make it out of here with my humanity. Sometimes I hear great rumbles beneath the stone floors, as if some great beast is moving beneath the earth.

Bauric has taken to sewing the hides of the giant worms on to the material from the shades.

He has nearly an entire set of clothing made from them now. How he can stand to touch the stuff I'll never know.

[EZ_Lowkey AL]

did quite a bit of digging on the word "thall" today.

homepage.tinet.ie/~shield.../sceal.htm

Apparently, thall is a Celtic word.

edit: found one translation, but I don't think it's relevant.

Celtic: Tha iad fiù 's a' tàladh oileanaich à coimhearsnachdan "gallda" agus à thall thairis.

English: They have even succeeded in attracting students from non-Indian communities and from abroad.

Edit again: did some digging, found a gaelic-english dictionary online. Thall means "on the other side, over yonder".
Edited by: Lowkey AL at: 4/21/02 4:17:55 pm

[EZ_Javan Transient]

Well, that could sorta make sense (its a stretch). "On the other side", a phrase used when talking to the dead, to those on the other side. And as shadow and darkness go with the dead, I could see how Verant would use the word in this fasion.

[EZ_Gallux]

Found some interesting information on possibly why the lucid shards have been the named they way they have.

I tossed every single ID of each shard into a single google search and came back with one page that had them all listed.

www.lpl.univ-aix.fr/proje...thn12.html

Turns out that the shard IDs are also language codes.

If you take Kelara the 10th shard and search the page, you will find Kel and Ara seperately listed.

I don't think this information helps but I do find it interesting

[EZ_farmatyr1]

Latin angle figured out

It was Coeron's post that finally made it click. The Latin has nothing to do with Akhevan. If you think about it, you'll see that the Latin which occurs in Akhevan sentences is a really weak link, like "oh, look, this three letter word here is a preposition in Latin" and stuff like that. The place Latin really occurs is in SSeru and Katta. These are the outposts of the old Combine empire.

Hypothesis: the Latin used in Luclin is used in exactly the same way that old english is used in LotR. Read the appendices of the Return of the King for what I'm talking about. No, no one there speaks Latin (and hence, Latin isn't useful for figuring out Akhevan), but they speak a language that has the same relation to Common as Latin does to English. Katta Castellum and SSeru are "familiar" to people from Norrath (especially humans/those from Antonica), rather than "foreign" as is Shar Vahl or any of the various types of aliens.

Akhevan, on the other hand, is a foreign language, totally unfamiliar to people from Norrath, and therefore, to us. The only way to figure it out is from what translations we can get (identifying things), and reasoning from how utterances are used (attack messages, etc).

/em wanders off wondering what it says about fiction and language that Merry from LotR was actually named Kali.

[EZ_mistress droo]

I think Centi means Servant not priest.
The Centi are Tegi who have been mutated by Ahkevan bllod to be a servant race and are now creatures of shadow.
I also think Centien may also be a form of the word servant or to serve.

[EZ_FlarestarBladesinger]

Forget about Latin in reference to the Akhevans. The languages aren't even related. Pick the words apart long enough, and yes, I'm sure you'll find a relationship with the Latin or Gaelic languages, but you're likely to do that with anything. I used to study Gaelic, this language structure and system has virtually nothing that's recognizable between the two.

Latin, on the other hand, is extremely prevalent in Katta, Seru, and Grieg's End. Given that their history and etc. is based a great deal off of the Roman Empire, that's kinda to be expected. However, Akhevan =/= Latin. Dead end.

Flarestar Bladesinger

[EZ_farmatyr1]

bump.

Vex Thal has been entered. New mob names from Triton website:

shades/ghosts/robe thingies:
Pli Zenthon Xakra
Xun Va Liako Xakra

4 arm:
Pli Thall

Boss shade:
Thall V...Xakra. Probably Thall Va Xakra, hard to read. Drops "cord of midnight". Too generic a name to really make much of it.

[EZ_Apostate]

Va is an interesting word. In looking at the mobs it comes from, you have Va'Dyn (in vex just Va Dyn), Thall Va Xakra, and Va Xi Aten Ha Ra. If Thall means 'shadow' and Xakra means 'spirit', then we could translate Va as a word to describe the origin of something. Like 'born of' or 'born from' or 'created'.

Like "Shadow born of spirit" for Thall Va Xakra.
"Born from Rock" would be my guess for Va'Dyn.
"Born of Aten Ha Ra" would seem reasonable for Va Xi Aten Ha Ra.

The problem with that is how the preposition 'xi' really fits in, since Va would seem to make that unnecessary.

Now, on 'Thall' and 'Thal' I'm thinking that one is the singular form while one is the plural. The problem is the names of mobs are metaphorical enough where really the singular or plural work in most cases, so I'm not really sure if it is "Shadows from the Spirit" or "Shadow from the spirit" or what. It would seem to make the most sense if "Thal" was plural, for Vex Thal being Heart of Shadows. But who knows, really.

I definitely don't think Centien means priest, at least in a specific class-way. I'm fairly certain it would have a meaning closer to 'servant' and centi probably a lower form like 'slave'. From the names of akhevan yard trash, there is definitely a ranking system... it would make sense if the names were represenative of a caste system.

Dablo may be similar to that- I'm not sure that word will be anywhere but to designate the 'rank' of a mob, it may simply mean something like 'Lord'. A lot of the words I feel won't be translateable, and are just things like titles of frogloks.

[Ewan aka nach0king]

Another VT Mob, a boss:

Va Xi Aten Ha Ra

(from FoH)

Jokah
60 Gnome Rogue
BB

[EZ_Apostate]

This is all conjecture, so I'm pretty sure I'll be proven wrong on some of these eventually. A few guesses on Va, Diabo, Thall, and Xin.

After more thought on "Va", I think it may be similar to "Vius" in much the same way "Xakra" is singular for "Xakreum". You go from a "eum" to an "a" ending, and "ius" to "a" seems fairly similar. In this case, I don't think it is the difference between singular and plural, but "darkness-vius" going to the somewhat similar "shadow/shadowy-va". This still makes sense in a name like Va Xi Aten Ha Ra ("a shadow of aten ha ra") but would also make more sense in the name Diabo Xi Va Temariel (shadow knowledge) and diabo xi va (of shadow).

Thall and Diabo are both difficult words because they seem to be used alternately as adjectives and nouns, suggesting multiple meanings. Thall could seem to stand in for 'priest', but suggests a more broad meaning than that. Thal, which is possibly a form of thall, would create the meaning of Vex Thal as literally the Heart of the Priesthood, Heart of the Holy, or something similar. Which makes sense since the Akhevans worship shadow/Luclin.

Diabo so far is only on named mobs, which suggests a very specific meaning if it is a rank. I think 'master' and 'mastery' may fit in all translations, but still might be accurate. Diabo Xi Va Temariel would be Master of Shadow Knowledge. Thall Xundraux Diabo would probably be something like Priest of Weapon Mastery. Diabo Va Xi - Master of Shadows. And so on.

Xin doesn't seem to be a preposition like Xi, despite how similar they are. It definitely seems used as a noun sometimes like in Diabo Xi Xin. Knowing the nature of the mobs it is used in, it is probably something fairly sinister, like 'blood' or 'evil' or 'pain' or something. "Xin Thall Centien" makes it sound like it could be "lesser", but too many high level named mobs have "Xin", which wouldn't make much sense. Personally, I'll just go with something like "blood" until I see some more names.

[Ewan aka nach0king]

A few more than I plundered off Triton and FoH's websites:

Xi Vius-graphic mobs:

Pli Zethon Xakra
Zun Va Liako Xakra
Thall V(?) Xakra

Four-arm in Black:

Pli Thall

Four-arm:

Diabo Xi Xin
Diabo Xi Xin Thall

[EZ_Regor el Wizo]

VT mobs:
Mobs are ranked like Guk/Seb frogs from lowest to highest:
Qua
Zov
Zun
Pli
Eom

Mobs also give away their class in their name:
Centien - War
Liako - Pal
Thall - Cle
Zethon - Wiz
Va Liako - SK
Senshali - Rog

Shades have Xakra at the end of their name and the 4-armed Akhevans have nothing. Rocks are named just using the rank and "Va Dyn" at the end

So an Eom Senshali Xakra is bad ass rogue shade.

From the Liako (Pal) and Va Liako (SK) one could assume that:
Va = dark/evil/shadow and Liako = knight or something of the sort.


Anyhow, more info for you guys to mull over
Edited by: Regor el Wizo at: 5/18/02 12:20:21 am

[Ewan aka nach0king]

Diabo Xi Va, yet another new one.

Nice post, Regor.

[EZ_Phorlar Shadowslayer]

Just a lil off topic and maybe this was covered in a previous post but.. in regards to the whole latin language usage in the game if you look into the mobs in griegs i.e. "Singultus Proeliator" and enter them into a search engine you do get some results. The "Singultus Proeliator" = sobbing warrior and thatis derived from latin according to what i found on the internet. So latin could be related to all these languages in some form or another

[EZ_Zeliak]

Va Xi Aten Ha Ra = Shadow of Aten Ha Ra ?

Aten Ha Ra is the person that fades out while handing for the key right? so if FoH killed Va Xi Aten Ha Ra and its a Shadow of Aten Ha Ra that prolly means that the boss of Vex Thal is Aten Ha Ra from the key turn in , i might be wrong tho and if its a shadow of and foH cclaims 2 million hp then she is prolly a badass boss

intresting topic

[EZ_souran]

(This message was left blank) Edited by: souran at: 5/20/02 12:10:44 pm

[EZ_Logix Silvermoon]

Just thinking out loud...ignore me if you want..
___ = No idea


Kel/Ans Tian Xi Vereor, ____ Tekar __ Xauninae
A/The day of terror, brings mortal death to Luclin(moon)


Ans Vex Xi Vius ____ ans Tavuel Temariel Xi Ishinaear
The Heart of Darkness wields the tortured knowledge of Luclin(god)

Kel Tavuel Xakra ___ ____ Tekar __ Ans Vex Xi Vius ___ ans xundrau xi xiall ___ fiel
A tortured spirit will bring mortal death to the heart of darkness with the weapon of justice and light <-- this one bugs me for some reason

Ans Wito/Akuel xi Ishinaear __ Vereor ___ Vius
The Eye/Gift of Luclin(god) is terror and darkness <-- Grieg (Grieg's End Boss) found this out...thou it may be more of a curse than a gift... Edited by: Logix Silvermoon at: 5/22/02 10:43:37 am

[EZ_reaver666]

Centi and Centien have been common