EQoA from an EQPC standpoint.

[EZ_Ketsuruii EQ]

This will be brief; since all my EQPC friend's loath me talking about EQoA to them, I decided to post this here for yes.. "public opinion." I read the Safehouse, but never bother to post. This is my first post, and rant, so what @#%$ ever.

Anyway.. I just want to know how you would judge this scenario in an EQPC situation. Some back ground info on this might be useful, so..

There was recently a new expansion, EQoA:Frontiers. Plane of Sky was introduced in it. Some genius down at SoE thought it would be funny to make one of the required pieces for the quest drop off of Vox, who spawns once every 2 - 3 days.

More background info. Have to kill six rare spawns to get into PoSky, each on a 2 - 3 day timer. When the quest is completed, you get a single 1 charge potion with self gate to PoSky. As in, time sink!

Background on my guild: High end guild on our server, everyone hates us because we go on a "first come first serve" attitude. As in, if we're ready to kill something, and another guild is going to try to kill something and is not ready, we will kill it. And something else; this quest is a series of riddles, and nobody except us yet know that Vox is the answer to one of the riddles. We weren't about to let a quest piece to PoSky go to waste to some level 40 no name who has no clue what it is and would most likely feed it to his dog.

I'm probably missing something else important, tough @#%$.

Anyway:

I'm not saying that we were in the right to just waltz in and KS. My side of the story is already posted there, so I won't repeat it here.

I'm asking something now from EQPC players that I can't get elsewhere;

From an EQPC standpoint, is this normal, or are we really being the @#%$ we are made out to be? It seems the general EQoA community has formed a bandwagon approach to "We are all good, we are all perfect, we must shun anyone who pushes against these morals we hold so dear," when in fact most if not all of these people are dirty hypocrits.

Thanks for yer friggin input.

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Ketsuruii

[EZ_Zulian]

Wait, you have to kill Vox each time for each person you want to get to Plane of Sky?
Ahahaha, and people complain about flagging in PoP. "Age and wisdom don't always go together, I've found. ... Some people just become stupid with more authority." -- Terry Pratchett

[EZ_Kinare]

Ketsu I think it depends on how your attitude is. My guild in DAOC has the same morals when it comes to spawns and who is ready first... First in Force is what we say. But usually, depending on what it is, there is not nearly half as much spawn competition in DAOC as there is in EQ.

But if you are jerks about it, then yeah, people should hate you because you are jerks.

aka "haha we pwnd j00 in getting here first" is worse than killing it first, then explaining nicely afterward (trying to explain beforehand usually doesn't work well at all in my experience), and explaining nicely beforehand is the best way, assuming you have logical people there.

But with 2-3 day spawns... wow...

If you are in such a guild, can I assume you don't really need vox loot? Maybe the nice thing to do is include them in on your raid, and let them roll on the loot, but you keep the quest component.

[EZ_Random TM]

If they aren't ready to kill it when it spawns, they aren't worth bothering about. If they want to kill something before it's gone, they have to get better at what they do.

[EZ_Ketsuruii EQ]

Heh, if you read we gave them all the loot except the quest piece.

And there is supposedly a wizard port to PoSky, but no one has found it yet.

And yeah.. I hate this community. So many hate tells and such. We have no such attitude as "you suck we pwn j00," we even stated before this that we only wanted the quest piece and they could have the loot.. they said wait for them to get ready and they would kill it and let us have the quest piece.

Short story shorter, we didn't want to wait the 1+ hour for them to assemble, there are other rare spawns we need pieces from.

Kets

[DarthEnderX]

Quote:Wait, you have to kill Vox each time for each person you want to get to Plane of Sky?

Oh come on Zul, EQPC has MUCH worse key quests and you know it.

[EZ_Shanar]

Back a few years ago on my server we had an "Event Calendar" for those dragons, which you would sign up on and for every spawn there would be a roll.. The Winner owned rights to it.. Eventually a guild, Ring of Valor I believe said you know what? We are calling FCFS on this, the EC is @#%$.

Everyone said OMGZ! Boycott them! I said it was a good thing, and you know what? It was a good thing. Your giving up the loot you do not need, and it IS perfectly acceptable if you are there first.

Now if they have a force there and are clearing, good manners would be to give them first shot 'if' they can take it in a reasonable amount of time.. Don;t have a buffing race, but if I get to a spawn and another raid is there I would always tell the other raid to take a shot, if they failed then we would have a go at it.. If the other raid took 20 minutes to buff and still was not ready? Well then tough friggin luck, I'm courteous, but not to the point of stupidity.

Bottom line I think you may be going through the same thing the PC servers did back in the day. People are gonna hate you for a while, but in the end FCFS/FIF IS a good thing.

PS. Enough people play EQoA to have Guilds? Wow.


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[EZ_iamrade4ever]

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[EZ_Urusai]

OMG I love the sig iamrade4ever.
Made me laugh and worked off abit of stress.

[Dragynphyre]

More powerful guild doesn't want to wait for less powerful guild to prep and attack, so MPG just takes the entire encounter away from LPG...

The guilds on The Rathe had to institute a calendar and mob rotation system to avoid issues arising from just this sort of thing, else the server's population would have started hunting each other down in real life, it was getting that bad.

And yeah, IMO you're a bunch of impatient dicks. (Back In Black)
Delissandra Splitshadow - Marauder of Clan X
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[EZ_Prenn]

You play a game where you have to camp 6 3 day spawns per player to go to plane of sky, which if it is anything like eq plane of sky, is going to mean you will stay there for MONTHS AND MONTHS STRAIGHT to complete things, or, you will never go back.

This means that either their guild will not kill any non plane of sky content for weeks, or they will stop farming the key content because it is pointless.

Either way the server wins.

Bullcrap please, this behavior is exactly like how all guilds played up until PoP, which only made some guilds on some servers nicer due to flagging opportunities. Sensei Pren{Dragon Army}[Tribunal Server]
So I take shelter in tomorrow
Tomorrow will bring a brand new day
Think I can make it right tomorrow,
Think I need more sleep today...

[EZ_Prenn]

omgomgomgomgo


When you jumped their vox, did you say

"IT'S TIME TO SLAY THE DRAGON!" ???!//1



edit: because if you did then you're Edited by: Prenn at: 12/15/03 10:32 pm

[EZ_syrupp]

how does an expansion work for the ps2 anyways? its not like it has a hd to download stuff to like the x-box..

[Dragynphyre]

I'd imagine that a lot of the game is stored server-side, oh Sticky One.

[EZ_Random TM]

Quote:
More powerful guild doesn't want to wait for less powerful guild to prep and attack, so MPG just takes the entire encounter away from LPG...

Good times, good times. I almost miss the days of clearing the server of good spawns right after it came up. People get so delightfully angry.

[EZ_Kinare]

Quote:Heh, if you read we gave them all the loot except the quest piece.

Bull. Show me where in your original post where you said "we gave them all the loot." As of this posting, you didn't have an edit in that post. And don't expect me to act all intersted in your crappy server drama, enough to click the link to that discussion.

[Jhani Vandolay]

"Bull. Show me where in your original post where you said "we gave them all the loot.""

If you read the original post, surely you read

"My side of the story is already posted there, so I won't repeat it here."

If you don't care to read the story why bother taking an accusatory stance on something that you admittedly refuse to read? Not to claim the status of a "real professional" in any one endeavor has been a small price to pay for the many benefits and pleasures of trespassing. ~Leo Lionni

[EZ_Meecham AB]

Quote:Oh come on Zul, EQPC has MUCH worse key quests and you know it.

How do you work that one out? This quest might be easier than some of the key quests in EQPC, but it only gives a single use potion not a proper key (/boggle). Imagine doing a quest like that for each person in your guild, for each time you want to raid there.

That sounds just unbelievable to me. Unless the guy on the first island sells an item with unlimited charges of Sky gate or something, so you only need to go there once and you can always go back. Hunter Meecham
Antonius Bayle

[EZ_Peebs]

How many people actually play EQOA anyway? I don't here anything about it and pretty much wrote it off as a failure. (Not that I would be interested in playing it, just curious)

[EZ_Lyle Everknight]

Ive read these forums a long time but never posted before, just thought id chime in.If a druid or wizard completes the plane of sky quest they get a teleport scroll they memorize and can use it whenever they want, 3 minute recast and can port a group up there. So instead of giving it to just anyone, give it to a wizard or druid.

(Eqoa)
Lyle
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[EZ_Kinare]

Quote: If you don't care to read the story why bother taking an accusatory stance on something that you admittedly refuse to read?

Because I could care less about server drama. Most of the time its just flames and immaturity anyway. I don't have 30 years to browse the boards and I don't want to waste my time. That is why I don't care to read the whole story through links.

My stance wasn't accusatory to begin with, so whatever. I don't care to argue.

[EZ_Talius]

Couldn't care less. The phrase is couldn't care less.

If you COULD care less, then you don't care as little as possible, which is what you're trying to say. If you COULD NOT care less then you care as little as possible and your point is made. Edited by: Talius at: 12/26/03 2:48 pm

[EZ_Pedric Cuf]

I'm sure my opinion means ass, but I'm going to say it anyways. IMO, you're just a bully pushing someone around under the guise of being nice and patient. You've even got yourself fooled. Note, I've never been in any big guilds and thus never had to worry much about spawn contests. But if someone is established when I get there, I leave.