View Full Version : New disc parses
12-21-03, 11:11 PM
Now that we can do two /discs on one mob, it's a lot easier to compare them fairly. Here are two fights where I used two disciplines for their full time and didn't miss any backstabs. Buffs, weapons, etc didn't change between discs. In both cases I had about 1800 atk, Rizlona's and FA, and used BB/Wicked Shank.
Kaas Thox Xi Ans Dyek
Deadeye: 429 dps
Duelist: 431 dps
Whole fight: 257
Diabo Xi Xin Thall
Deadeye: 365 dps
Duelist: 361 dps
Whole fight: 177 dps
Anyone else? It would be cool to collect as many data points as we can.
12-22-03, 01:40 AM
This would only be salient with a lot more data behind it. Levels of Fero/Ambi/CA/FoA/etc are important. Actually, weapons would likely matter as would (perhaps) the amount of attack gained from str v Veng etc. The parser used is critical (as they do vary in a pretty big manner) and we would need a lot of depth to make any conclusions.
On the surface your results simply look wrong to me for example. An ~50% increase is warranted by Deadeye (62% to 100%) while Duelist is base by four and BS by two. I cannot imagine DE outperforming DU over any serious set of trials.
12-22-03, 03:04 AM
during the test People generaly like to use only parses with max AA and then list the weapons.
Btw the test looking wrong is why you need to do many many test for any accuracy.
12-22-03, 03:37 AM
I've been doing some parses in LDoN Everfrost high risk since the mobs last about 30-35 seconds. I've only used duelist and deadly precision, though.
all offensive aa, ifir main with 50hp lifetap proc, grmk offhand, 1791 atk
I've been going with DP pretty much when it's been up and same with duelist ( ~ 45-50 min mission). I'll keep adding data as I collect more from LDoN. Small data sample so there's going to be some margin of error til there's a much larger data size, but it gives a rough idea.
Tried deadeye, only one time and got 355.56.
edit: added more data Edited by: Derrict at: 12/22/03 11:04 pm
12-22-03, 04:13 AM
maxed AA DoI main, Bloodbath offhand
duelist: 459.28 dps
Offensive Damage for < You >, by TypeOffensive Damage for < You >, by TypeDamage ByKillsTotalDurationDPSADMaxAvgMinAccuracyEvasionD efenceHitsMissesBlocksDodgesMagicParriesRipostes[ Total ]014697 00:00:32 459.28112255222.6864100.00%0.00%0.00%66000000Backs tab05835 00:00:32 182.34782255972.50448100.00%0.00%0.00%6000000Pierc e08862 00:00:31 285.8712331147.7064100.00%0.00%0.00%60000000Damage report by YALP using a DPS run interval of 30
12-22-03, 09:01 AM
Quote:This would only be salient with a lot more data behind it.Of course, that's why I encouraged more people to post their results.
Quote:Levels of Fero/Ambi/CA/FoA/etc are important. Good point. I have max'd offensive/defensive AAs.
Quote:The parser used is critical (as they do vary in a pretty big manner)I used the latest versions of Yalp and EQCompanion. They differed by < 1 dps.
Quote:On the surface your results simply look wrong to me for example.Well, that's the beauty of actually parsing instead of going on impressions. I've checked the logs, they aren't wrong.
12-22-03, 10:52 AM
65 rogue maxed AA DoI/Bloodbath combo
1900ish atk with v3 haste(Rizlona)
Twisted Chance: 442 dps
Defensive Damage for Lord Mithaniel Marr, by PartyDefensive Damage for Lord Mithaniel Marr, by PartyDamage ByKillsTotalDurationDPSADMaxAvgMinAccuracyEvasionD efenceHitsMissesBlocksDodgesMagicParriesRipostes[ Total ]013708 00:00:31 442.19101048137.086100.00%0.00%0.00%100000000< You >013708 00:00:31 442.19101048137.086100.00%0.00%0.00%100000000Damag e report by YALP using a DPS run interval of 30
12-22-03, 12:22 PM
I have always suspected that deadeye is nearly as good as duelist (and a lot more consistent), but have never taken the time to parse it out. Would be interesting to see some other people compare deadeye to duelist parses.
12-22-03, 02:26 PM
Sorry GrowlySundaram, I perhaps came off wrong there. I am not saying that there is anything wrong about the parses, it is simply that they are not terribly illuminating about the value of the disciplines themselves.
People tend to notice outliers and even a host of selected parses would not really serve to indicate anything if people were picking them specifically because they showed something odd. Still, I parse my own fights pretty religiously and your data is in direct contrast with the trend of my own.
You are quite correct though, parsing is the only reliable way to gain information in the long term and I hope you will post more information as you collect it.