Berserker. Step aside Rogues, a new class with BS!

[EZ_Melodie Songbird]

From Sony's website

"New Berserker class empowers you to ravage your enemies with two-handed axes or by hurling large objects"

FYI : Berserker's will be able to duel wield TWO-HANDED weapons! They will have incredible offensive power but obviously will be getting a tad bit of agro.

Additionally, they will have the backstab ability, only to a point. They are not going to be quite has high as the rogues but you can see they are going to be damage dealers.

Anyone familiar with Diablo will see where this is coming from. The Berserker's are going to have shouts similar to bard spells that are short duration and have recast times. It will use the new "opening" abilities (I dont know much about this) but will be very powerful short duration abilities. These abilities have yet to be reviled but they are suppose to be very quick but very powerful offensive/defensive bursts for the entire group, possibly the entire raid at higher levels.

This may not be accurate. We will see.

[EZ_kinu]

Lol how about stoping the rumors and just waiting for the real class description? They are going to have BS + manasong + CH + 3000000 opening and disc rah they are gods!!! @#%$. 65 Maestro Kinuvan the Minstrel

[EZ_Finlae the Marauder]

start a berserker then when new expansion come out.
i don t care what berserker will do, i just care what rogue will get

[EZ_Lindianae]

Quote: Lol how about stoping the rumors and just waiting for the real class description?

Wheres the fun in that? Its so much more fun to bitch about something that will probably not happen than wait for the truth and have nothing to bitch about.

[EZ_DrMandible]

troll sense tingling

[EZ_nekoken]

Every class has BS. In fact it often threatens to overflow and drown us all.

Narsse Nekoken

[EZ_Assling Hero]

A quote from Melodie:

Quote:In most cases [Beastlords] have MORE DPS than a rogue.
Maybe someone can help link some info on a good area to exp pass level 20? Anyone can help? Marauder GOGO - HOSS Druzzil RoEdited by: Assling Hero at: 1/5/04 11:13 pm

[EZ_Melodie Songbird]

Assling, your not to bright huh.

"This may not be accurate"
I got that somewhere and put that right in the original post.

As for your other little cute remark.

my guilds rogues have Bloodbath and our BST often do MORE dps. If the rogue isn't elemental + then a BST is on par. I didn't bother to click your link, my guess is that you are some Elemental + that thinks that you are so uber because you can get a better rogue weapon than 99% of the other rogues, which makes you just so cool. Most rogues can’t get that gear.

WTB reality check for elemental + rogues that think that rule the world with their lewt dps.

Edited a mistake because people refused to read the rest of the post. Edited by: Melodie Songbird at: 1/6/04 9:29 pm

[EZ_Maltoria the Crossdresser]

Quote:my guilds rogues have Bloodfrenzys


Heh..you're gonna need some help.

[EZ_RanjaInno]

Quote:WTB reality check for elemental + rogues that think that rule the world with their lewt dps

Huh? Wizzies often outdamage me on raids. Mages and Chanters with charmed pets often outdamage me in Ldon. And unlike most of my brothers and sisters I already do have the best rogue dagger in the game. Dunno, but I'm ele+ and certainly don't think that I rule the world.
Ranja
Deceiver of Tide on Venril Sathir

[EZ_Gipp Hedgehogg]

Quote:These abilities have yet to be reviled

The best part of the original post...

[EZ_Orme the Singing Bard]

Quote:Assling, your not to bright huh.No matter how many times I see this, I can't help but be amused.

[EZ_Wyglaf77]

Quote:WTB reality check for elemental + rogues that think that rule the world with their lewt dps.

If you're going to try and mock 1337 speak atleast do it correctly.

Lewt = loot. The double "o" sound is strangely similar to the "ew" sound when its shoved in between an L and a T.

[EZ_ragnarz]

re·vile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-vl)
v. re·viled, re·vil·ing, re·viles
v. tr.
To assail with abusive language; vituperate. See Synonyms at scold.
Ragnarz & Oppera @ Reviviscence Guild

[EZ_Wyglaf77]

maybe shes foreshadowing the bitching thats gonna infest this topic. O.o

[EZ_Kellaen]

Rogues with bloodfrenzies, the new 300dps Tank!!

[EZ_Dove Whispersilk]

Quote:WTB reality check for elemental + rogues that think that rule the world with their lewt dps.

I rule the world. k thx come again.
Dove the Silent. Assassin of Clan Ta'Veren

[EZ_BaxstarrBuyan]

Good lord is this the bizzaro thread or what? Never before have so many, looked so uneducated, about so much. One thing this thread has made me realize is that our guild needs to push towards gearing our rogues with these:

Bloodfrenzy
LORE ITEM MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
Weight: 1.0 Size: MEDIUM
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Damage: 16 Delay: 20

Str: +15 Dex: +15 Sta: +15 Agi: +15 Fire Resist: +7 Disease Resist: +7 Cold Resist: +7 Magic Resist: +20 Poison Resist: +7 HP: +125
Weapon Skill: One Hand Slash
Classes: Warrior
Races: All Races
Slot 1: Type 4

Effect: Enraging Blow
1: Increase Hate by 700

Phat L33t, think of the l3wt DPS! OMGZ!

~B

[EZ_Rhaynne]

This is like... the best post ever. Laughing so hard I need tissues.


Sig nerfed per rules. Signiture + Personal Photo may be no larger than 15k. Please read the SIGNATURE RULES. Thankyou. --Gyorg Edited by: Gyorg at: 1/8/04 6:40 pm

[EZ_Zadown]

I actually do outdamage our rogues ... when they forget to wield their main hand weapon. :p

RAWR beastlord powah!


Sig nerfed per rules. Signiture + Personal Photo may be no larger than 15k. Please read the SIGNATURE RULES. Thankyou. --Gyorg Edited by: Gyorg at: 1/8/04 6:41 pm

[EZ_akra]

Fact of the matter: beastlords indeed outdamage rogues that try to wield bloodfrenzies...

Melodi U roxxorz And the information minister said:

"Classes are not that out of balance --AbsorEQ"

[EZ_Wyglaf77]

Quote:I actually do outdamage our rogues ... when they forget to wield their main hand weapon.

[EZ_Kheldhar]

lol, funny guys:rollin


Sig nerfed per rules. Signiture + Personal Photo may be no larger than 15k. Please read the SIGNATURE RULES. Thankyou. --Gyorg Edited by: Gyorg at: 1/8/04 6:41 pm

[EZ_Flooznie]

My guess is that Melodie's guild rogues use that class changing LDoN augment that enables warrior only weps to be equipped by rogues. That proc has got to suck when you are trying to evade, eh?

Flooznie Ribsticker
Deceiver

[EZ_umaro515]

could it b bloodbath there weilding ??

[shehab aldean]

Kheldhar the ranger you have in your sig is an alien

since the barb staped him and there is green blood coming out of the ranger arm !!

[EZ_Melodie Songbird]

yea its bloodbath, these guys are too wound up to see simple mistakes though. Anyway, fact is that I have seen guild paraphrases where BST have out done rogues (few). The other fact is that there is a big difference in a elemental rogue and rogues that aren’t elemental. Edited by: Melodie Songbird at: 1/6/04 9:30 pm

[EZ_BaxstarrBuyan]

Every post Mel makes is pure, uncut, comedic genius - Please dont stop!

Quote:
yea its bloodbath, these guys are too wound up to see simple mistakes though.


No, believe me we see every simple mistake.

~B Edited by: BaxstarrBuyan at: 1/6/04 1:06 pm

[DarthEnderX]

Paraprases?

That has to be the worst spelling of parses in history.

[EZ_Inaaki]

Quote:Fact of the matter: beastlords indeed outdamage rogues that try to wield bloodfrenzies...

Haha i think we can agree on this. Inaaki Shadowmade
Deceiver Kael Drakkal

[EZ_Gimik]

omfg this thread is funny.

[EZ_Apotacoocatopa]

Melodie go back to VM bud, I'll chat with elyda and make sure your rogues stop using BF's~

Ocatopa

[EZ_Alkyhaul]

LMFAO! Omg I needed a good laugh today. Thanks Mel

[EZ_Melodie Songbird]

I already said it was a mistake. You people are pretty petty, or didn't read my 2nd post. That's cool if some people laugh at a mistake, but what really sucks is when you have **** like Ocatopa who has been kicked out of every guild in EQ jumping on the band wagon. Trust me, you don't want to be associated with this guy. Do me a favor and read my second post before you decide to add your 2 cents, because if you add it without reading the post then you are writing a response in ignorance. I would hate to see people do that.

Edit: Don't defeat the language filter - Tibis Edited by: TibisHatter at: 1/10/04 10:22 am

[EZ_Stryknine DShiv]

is a Witness Protection program of sorts.

Then again, I guess some people would be too stupid to realize they belong in it. Stryknine D'Shiv, Tier'Dal Deceiver

[EZ_Qutsemnie]

The thread at the start was pretty trollish.

But one thing thats true is wrapped up in this.

The "backstab" skill is nothing. Its DPS. You know what rogues care about? Its not backstab. Its melee dps. Backstab is just a means to an end.

The backstab was supposed to represent exceedingly brutal dps from the back. Either way if a monk (for example) melees from the back and a rogue melees from the back we dont end our comparison with "the rogue got to backstab so thats balance" Why would we? We can compare the damage done. We dont care if it comes from melee or kicks or backstabs. Were just interested in the number.


It would be different perhaps if backstab were ever anything besides a kick with another name or anything else you can think of that just does damage. But its not. Its just damage.


And thats all rogues care about backstab because of it.

A caster once came here and ranted:
How would you react if they gave away backstab.

And I said they have been giving away "backstab" for along time now. At first people reacted like "oh ya pets" And i was thinkin no. Its damage. Its just damage from a button you press every 5 seconds. They been increasing uber melee damage for other classes for a long time now. That was my point.

My point in this thread is this:
The berzerker seems to be clearly a melee dps class.

I dont care if they dont got backstab because all rogues care about is melee dps in regards to backstab.

If the berzerker is balanced to dps with us then if they dont have backstab bonus for them because they dont have the annoyance of having to find the button every 5 seconds.

I said it when they first announced it:
SoE would have to be retarded to make another pure melee class.

Im sure i could dig it up. Might have been worded
"I dont believe SoE would be retarded enough to make another pure melee class"

And I said specifically because of these issues. Stuff like backstab is just dps.

[EZ_Aramelus Redblade]

Quote:Anyway, fact is that I have seen guild paraphrases where BST have out done rogues (few).

Mind posting these?

par·a·phrase ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-frz)
n.
A restatement of a text or passage in another form or other words, often to clarify meaning.
The restatement of texts in other words as a studying or teaching device.
Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim.
-- OvidEdited by: Aramelus Redblade at: 1/6/04 11:17 pm

[EZ_particleboy]

Seriously, this class is beyond idiotic. We have 3 pure melees at present. All of them are struggling to keep their head above water, find an identity and have useful utility. Warriors can tank stuff but in xp groups (and some raid targets) play second fiddle to knights. Monks can pull things but hey who needs that when you have a bard? We can do damage and sneak around which, 99% of the time, is irrelevant and unnecessary. Corpse runs? Not with graveyards. Scouting? Well because of the idiotic trap implementation you're better off using Eye of Zomm. I know I use my elder beads more than sneaking anywhere.

We obviously don't know a lot about the berserker class. I'm interested to know what armour it will get. It better not be chain or plate. It should be leather. In the very least it will be a pure (or mostly pure) damage dealer. Well yay, just what we need: another piranha in the tank looking for identity/utility.

What if it is some kind of bard hybrid? Gratz to them on getting utility off the bat that we're still lacking nearly 5 years down the road.

What if their damage doesn't compete with rogues and they aren't competition? What is their point in existing then and consequently who will play them? As such we must conclude they will step on someone's toes when they come in and the smart money is on us.

Oh and based on the AA descriptions floating around I think we can finally put to the rest the level 70 rumours. Its not going to happen this expansion.
Hagin Netherblade
Barbarian Deceiver
Township Rebellion
Stormhammer Server

[EZ_Assling Hero]

Althought I would love to see the paraphrases of your guild's rogues with bloodfrenzies, I strongly suggest you to not to post any info about you or your guild or your guild's rogues cuz you are an embarrassment Melodie.


Sig nerfed per rules. Signiture once per thread. Please read the SIGNATURE RULES. Thankyou. --Gyorg Edited by: Gyorg at: 1/8/04 6:43 pm

[EZ_Wyglaf77]

Quote:Additionally, they will have the backstab ability, only to a point. They are not going to be quite has high as the rogues but you can see they are going to be damage dealers.

Yes, backstab. Incoming ninja Windblade attack! Theres kinda a reason rogues dont get to use 2HP.

Two main reasons this doesnt evenly remotely bother me, as in line from Quet's post.

1) it is really really not in character for a class such as this to gain a stealth/assassin type ability.

2) they could never make it do more damage than ours, so all it would do would make us laugh and them angry.

Quote:FYI : Berserker's will be able to duel wield TWO-HANDED weapons! They will have incredible offensive power but obviously will be getting a tad bit of agro.


Yea, BoW and a Bloodied Berserkers Blade would be so not overbalanced. They would all die on raids, fux up the aggro, draw the mob into the healers, etc, etc. Ever see a melee TZ raid go bad? Think this.

Quote: Anyone familiar with Diablo will see where this is coming from. The Berserker's are going to have shouts similar to bard spells that are short duration and have recast times. It will use the new "opening" abilities (I dont know much about this) but will be very powerful short duration abilities. These abilities have yet to be reviled but they are suppose to be very quick but very powerful offensive/defensive bursts for the entire group, possibly the entire raid at higher levels.

This is the only one that seems relatively close to what they might/might not be.

Quote:This may not be accurate. We will see.

so you take the one 2 line bit from sony's GoD sight and you come up with all of this? You must be psychic or something. Or just live in nevernever land where rogues can use enraging blow weapons and bst's are the kings of dps.

[EZ_Korthuran]

the first post was a joke btw

[EZ_Fitz]

I am with Dove...I pretty much feel like I rule the world.
My Slowly Improving Stuff!

[EZ_Matheren]

Melodie Songbird; a Dazzler for the new millenium?

[EZ_Tiddy]

Quote:my guilds rogues have Bloodfrenzies and our BST often do MORE dps. If the rogue isn't elemental + then a BST is on par. I didn't bother to click your link, my guess is that you are some Elemental + that thinks that you are so uber because you can get a better rogue weapon than 99% of the other rogues, which makes you just so cool. Most rogues can’t get that gear.

I am, unlike some, eager to see these parses. It confuses me to think that a BST would do more DPS than a nicely geared Rogue. Please, I want to see the proof that another class beats us again at the DPS game.

P.S. I don't rule the world: www.magelo.com/eq_view_pr...num=786198

I feel so dirty...
Your Panty Raider in Arms,

Tiddy Soprano
Assassin () Terris Thule

[EZ_Arafain]

if the first post was a joke, it was an incredibly stupid one. If it wasn't a joke...it was still incredibly stupid.

I don't want to point fingers, but if you can't be bothered to pay attention to your own spelling or grammar, then you haven't got a leg to stand on when other people start thinking you're lazy or unintelligent. And point-blank, the worse you spell, the less credibility you have.

If you don't care, that's one thing, but if that's true then you obviously don't care whether or not people give your opinions or information any notice or credibility whatsoever. You can't have it both ways.

And, lastly, I'd hate to see what happens to anyone who complains about "grammar nazis" when they submit a resume to a job recruiter if they possess the spelling ineptitude commonly demonstrated on message boards everywhere.
-- Marauder Arafain Entreri, 65 Deceiver
-- Arafein Soulstriker, 54 Champion Relic (deceased)
-- Arafax Kokorozan, 20 Monk Giantfriend (missing)
-- Formerly of Requiem of Souls and Crusaders of Plilo
-- Formerly of The Rathe Server, now of Zebuxoruk
-- My ghetto gear
"Once, in the old west, a gentleman shot a professional gunfighter in the back. When asked why he didn't give the other chap a chance to draw, he replied, 'Well, he's dead and I'm alive and that's how I wanted it to be." -- from Red Planet, Robert A. Heinlein

[EZ_LorinaEQ]

Quote:my guilds rogues have Bloodbath and our BST often do MORE dps. If the rogue isn't elemental + then a BST is on par. I didn't bother to click your link, my guess is that you are some Elemental + that thinks that you are so uber because you can get a better rogue weapon than 99% of the other rogues, which makes you just so cool. Most rogues can’t get that gear.

WTB reality check for elemental + rogues that think that rule the world with their lewt dps.


Bloodbath
Damage: 16 Delay: 22
Ratio: 1.312 Amazing
Damage Bonus: 13 (lvl 65)
Comparative Efficiency: 107
Offhand Efficiency: 47
Str: +15 Dex: +10 Sta: +5 Magic Resist: +20 HP: +100
Weapon Skill: Piercing Additional Modifiers:
Classes: Rogue Backstab: +12%
Races: All Races
Slot 1: Type 4

Nice Weapon. If your guild's rogues all have this you might as well be elemental. Me, I have NO FLAGS WHATSOEVER and wield this combo:

Trueborn's Dagger of the Dark and Ragebringer

I out DPS most beastlords I group with on a regular basis. If your rogues are carrying such better weapons and still getting out DPSed by your Beastlords, your Beastlords must really rock. Either that or what you have is some rogues with a nice weapon and no skills to back it up.

The link you didn't bother to click on before assuming the worst was to the thread with the quote of yours about DPS. Can't be bothered to know the name of the uber weapon your rogues have, can't be bothered to click a link, can't be bothered to have any idea why so many are laughing at you. The only way a beastlord with comparable gear/exp to me is going to out DPS me is if I try and be a tank and give up my backstabs. And even then it will be close for a lot of them.

Click on the links to my gear, none of it is beyond the reach of a person with no flags, especially with the bazaar in place. You mention a weapon that 99% of all rogues will never see while at the same time telling the other poster off because you assume they have a better weapon. Look up hypocrisy if you can be bothered.







Ron
Vincit/Lorina
65th lvl Rogue/Enchanter
Morell-Thule
Asylum Keepers
Co-Leader, Recruiting Officer

Vincit's Stuff
Lorina's Stuff

[EZ_ThornyEQ]

Since we're all talkin' outa our butts, I'll add my own methane to the mix.

This is my pronouncement, it holds as much validity as anyone else's because -- let's face it -- none of us really know exactly what these guys will do; we're hypothesizing, theorizing...guessing.

Berserkers will be leather-wearing, mouth-flapping, axe-wielding, unkempt, smelly, blood-encrusted, raving lunatic DPS machines. They will be able to dish it out but won't even have time to cry "mommy" when the smack is laid down on them. They will be rogue-like in their DPS and less than monk-like in their ability to take a hit...they might even truly mitigate worse than a druid (if you're wondering what that last bit means, read the monk boards). They will have the ability to grab aggro instantly, and die just as instantly, but thereby saving the MT/slower/mezzer/healer. SOE will recognize their special role as "class that dies the most" by cutting their exp loss per death to half that of any other class; even a 60% rezz will allow them to not lose any exp in a fight. They will have weight limits, like monks do, and will be able to craft basic potions that allow them to become frenzied quicker. Their songs of madness will infect their group, giving the entire group huge DPS increases.

Now...thank-you for reading that (intentional) mess, and I must now wonder how many peeps will take any of that BS I just wrote (and I don't mean backstab) and think it's the true word of god.

Sigh...

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Thorny's Roster:
Arbolo the druid, Acerbic the rogue, Shaemus the warrior, Cenadwen the cleric, Aberlee the "close to the ground" ranger, Wuggum the "hey, it isn't all about hate...sometimes it's just about blood splatters" shadow knight, Atomica the tiny nukergrrl, and Elfroggy the shaman
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[EZ_roblex]

True word of God can only be what Sony announce ie

Quote:This new expansion boasts:

-100 new Alternate Advancement abilities.
-Leadership experience to unlock many group- and raid-enhancing tools.
-20 new zones -- 10 new instanced zones and 10 new traditional zones, including a huge ship city zone to gather your party and launch expeditions. The new combat zones are for characters level 50 and over.
-New Berserker class -- ravage your enemies with two-handed axes or by hurling large objects.

[EZ_Qutsemnie]

I think thorny just described rangers.

[EZ_Wyglaf77]

/nod

[EZ_Shellback97]

Melodie you come to the rogue board and talk a little trash and then get upset when every uber rogue in the game talks trash back? WTF did you expect?

Beric
Torv

[EZ_AirvhanTheRogue]

I have a feeling this will be just like each and every other expansion. Someone will say how rogues are getting shut down and how we will suck but as soon as the expansion comes out and people really do run the parses those same people who posted about the end of the world for rogues seem to disappear.

[EZ_Quakereject]

Well damnit, we have to have something to bitch and whine about.. otherwise the day just isn't complete.


That and, well.. it's more fun to bitch.

[EZ_Lyria Whisperwind]

"Assling, your not to bright huh."

Messageboard irony gold! I love it.

Better hide your face for another 6 months, Melodie .

[Nenjin]

I give this thread 2.5 thumbs up. You can't script comedy like this. "I see a dark sail, on the horizon. Set under a black cloud, that hides the sun. Bring me my broadsword, and clear understanding. Bring me my cross of gold, as a talisman. Bless with a hard heart, those who surround me. Bless the women and children, who firm our hands. Put our backs to the north wind, hold fast by the river. Sweet memories to drive us on, of the motherland. Bring me my broadsword."-Jethro Tull

[DarthEnderX]

Quote:a Dazzler for the new millenium?

No thank you! I still have to put up with LAST millenium's Dazzler.

[EZ_Maiya Samsara]

What the hell is this supposed to mean: "Anyway, fact is that I have seen guild paraphrases where BST have out done rogues (few)."

Hopefully english isn't your native language. If it is your native language, then you have command of it like an enchanter has command of their pet.

[EZ_Matheren]

wow, it's Maiya!

[EZ_santino]

The only info available (I have not even heard of anything from the beta for berserkers yet) is the 2-line quote from SOE and the changes that have appeared on LUCY for test:

01-10 02:38 Forge BSK 8 Snare ZKR/8 3
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK 16 Stun ZKR/16 3
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK 24 DoT ZKR/24 3
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK 32 Snare ZKR/32 3
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK 40 Stun ZKR/40 3
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK 48 DoT ZKR/48 3
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK 54 Snare ZKR/54 3
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK 60 Stun ZKR/60 3
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK 65 DoT ZKR/65 3
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe1 ZKR/1 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe5 ZKR/5 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe10 ZKR/10 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe15 ZKR/15 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe20 ZKR/20 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe25 ZKR/25 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe30 ZKR/30 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe35 ZKR/35 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe40 ZKR/40 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe45 ZKR/45 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe50 ZKR/50 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe55 ZKR/55 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe60 ZKR/60 4
01-10 02:38 Forge BSK DMG Axe65 ZKR/65 4

The LUCY data is obviously incomplete, and will change between now and GoD. But it, and SOE's statement, are the only info we have, rumors of 2hs dual-wielding backstabbing bards to the contrary.

Fun thread though. Hope someone stickies it as a prime example of how to represent yourself on another class' boards. "Classes are not that out of balance" -AbsorEQEdited by: santino at: 1/12/04 12:38 am

[EZ_zeist prexus]

lucy.allakhazam.com/spell...ource=Test is the link for the Lucy data santino just gave.

Hmmm, the word "Forge" and the fact that the "spells" are copied from a Magician summon spell are making it sound a lot like Berserkers will be summoning their weapons like the Cleric hammers.

Maybe the others are discs that will be like Ranger imbue weapon spells.

Only time will tell I guess.

[EZ_Xenoa The Rogue]

Teehee, the description for the level 65 Forge Axe spell is..

Quote:Focuses mana into the form of a brass choker that sometimes allows you to cast a spell without consuming any reagents. This item works on spells up to level 12. "IV. TACTICAL DISPOSITIONS
The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat,
and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy."
Sun Tzu - Art of War
Check out the hotness that is Xenoa

[Elerion]

That's great

[EZ_kaid2373]

It would be an interesting way to balance the class. You would then know almost exactally what weapon they are using at every level and could fine tune the class pretty well from there. I am not sure if it would be boring though for a melee to use the same kind of weapon all the time though.

I will be curious to see how they work in game.


Kaid

[EZ_Wyglaf77]

It'll prolly be dumb, the 65 forges would never be on par with elemental/time level weapons or it would be crazy unbalanced to the person that is still missing his PoJ trials and just exp's in BoT every day cause his guild sucks.

[EZ_zeist prexus]

I could see it working. It's basically melee done along the lines of the caster paradigm. You achieve certain levels of power independent of heavy raiding for gear -- buy the spell, have the power. Gear still affects you a lot, but you aren't completely dependent on gear to function.

The summoned weapons don't have to be the only in the Berserkers arsenal. They could make mob-dropped Berserker-only weapons much the same way that there are mob-dropped Cleric-only hammers with the same proc as on the summoned hammers. As well, I'd assume that the highest level tomes/spells for the summoned weapons would be mob-dropped.

They would have to do quite a bit more though in order to make the Berserker a compelling class to play, though. But I think the new melee/discipline system is made for this (maybe literally).

Again, pure speculation but an interesting concept regardless whether this is how Berserkers will be or not.

[DarthEnderX]

Well, I'm glad they are making another class that can do ranged melee damage.

[EZ_Wyglaf77]

/Nod Raven, i hope this means new graphics for throwing weapons as well.

[EZ_santino]

Quote:Teehee, the description for the level 65 Forge Axe spell is..

Focuses mana into the form of a brass choker that sometimes allows you to cast a spell without consuming any reagents. This item works on spells up to level 12.

Rather than redo an effect from scratch, SOE always just copies an existing song and then changes the values to be whatever they want. I avoided making guesses at what these abilities were or signified simply because it's clear they are not in any way even ready for beta. It does seem likely from the ability names that they will get (a) one of a stun/snare/dot ability every ~8 levels, and (b) either an axe-like attack or ability to forge their own weapon every ~5 levels. I don't much care for the latter idea... I much preferred the way they tried to do it for the iksar "weapon" (or shackle) quests. Just summoning a new one seems lame. It's too early to see what they actually intend though.

"Classes are not that out of balance" -AbsorEQEdited by: santino at: 1/13/04 1:02 am

[EZ_Shadowmare S]

this made me

FYI : Berserker's will be able to duel wield TWO-HANDED weapons

Additionally, they will have the backstab ability

[EZ_santino]

From: www.homelanfed.com/index.php?id=19868
Quote:
The Berserker is a heavy hitting melee class. They favor axes and can forge their own weapons for throwing into battle. They will not have access to heavier armor and would prefer to leave the heavy damage to those wearing steel pants and shirts.

So, sounds like a DPS, non-tanking class that has an innate ability to forge/summon axes for throwing. I guess they can join rogues, monks, wizards, rangers and mages in competing for the "DPS slot" in groups. "Classes are not that out of balance" -AbsorEQ

[DarthEnderX]

Actually, I'd have to say that the thing they sound the most like is...rangers...only without the spells.

Melee damage. Chain armor. ranged specialty. Sounds like a ranger to me.

[EZ_badsmofo2]

WTB reality check for elemental rogues that think that rule the world with their lewt dps.

shut the f up you broke ass PoS. you can't afford to buy a bag of M&M's. and if you could have afforded a reality check it was before i robbed you -- check your pockets dumbass. Rogues are the true Pimps of Norrath - no one is more hated or more needed than us. we are a necessary evil and I LOVE IT. who cares what a Berserker can do? i want to know what a Rogue will be able to do. i don't even have the Ragebringer or AA's or anything. at 36 i pimp everything i see -- including you. so shut up and read message boards related to your loser class.

[EZ_darksisco007]

eh?

[EZ_Assling Hero]

LOL! -- WTF was that? Marauder GOGO - HOSS Druzzil Ro

[EZ_Qutsemnie]

That would be "the angry troll" not to be confused with "the funny troll" or "the clever troll" or "the ineffectual troll"



Angry troll is characterized my senseless ranting combined with 0 subtly and general nonsensical cussing. He is different then Ineffectual Troll in that he is actually dangerous to himself should he be discovered.


Edited by: Qutsemnie at: 1/19/04 1:16 pm

[EZ_EQFattius]

lol actually i thought his rant was hilarious. He starts out saying how crappy elemental rogues are and ends saying that as a rogue:



Quote:at 36 i pimp everything i see -- including you


rofl that cracks me up.


I also liked:


Quote:shut the f up you broke ass PoS


LOL


Fattius Ribsticker
63 Assassin of White Wind
as-sas-sin / n. a murderer of an important person in a surprise attack
for political or religious reasons.

[EZ_Drizzi]

Berserker:

Races (currently on test char creation):
Barbarian
Dwarf (was human instead of dwarf before)
Ogre
Troll
Vah Shir

Armor:
Chain (you can link items to test server and see if they are "BER" tagged or not

From EQBeastlord:
Quote:People on beta from my server have reported that they get 2hs, 2hb, throwing and double attack (FROM LEVEL 1, woohoo.) They get a bunch of generic warrior AAs like flurry, rampage, etc.

Quote:They "summon" throwing items that are imbued with effects although they have no mana. They buy there /disc type books to summon the items. The throwing items get better as you go up and the effects are basically, snare, stun, and DoTs that also go up as you level up.

Overall, they have same HP table as warriors from what I've seen and most of the good AA abilities from monk and warrior class.


Lucy link on abilities:
lucy.allakhazam.com/spell...urce=Test.










and they can`t wear fungis! Edited by: Drizzi at: 1/22/04 3:14 am

[EZ_Northerner]

Mark my words. This is the class we are soon going to hate.

Ah well, it was a fun ride from Kunark to Velious Celeris Tujimson
Maurading Deceiver of The Nameless

"Obviously crime pays, or there'd be no crime."
G. Gordon Liddy"

[EZ_Bhotto]

SO here is my plan. Roll up a Zerker, and have fun with him, play him, and laugh to myself "he's my b*tch"

thats what this rogue will do

[EZ_EllessarBardofBB]

so.... did they ever fix the thing where you could leave a corpse with all your gear, delete character and remake new guy with same name... and then loot the corpse full of no-drop items?

Time gear at level 1 would own; you'd be that pimp TrollBoy got himself confused with. Ellessar d'Mornei: Maestro, Impressario, Virtuoso, Bard of Bristlebane

[EZ_MaeMai]

Dunno but the way its turning out berserkers are = to Monks in sustained dps and have the ability to do = rangers dps with bow at times.

The berserker boards have a good listing of stuff thats going on with lucy etc. Maemae
Overlord
Maimai
Archon
Play like a Allstar, Party like a Rockstar, Pound it like a Pornstar
Check out the new Berserker Boards!

[EZ_Fakir]

i bet zerker BS will be like bardic rogue abilities - capped low enuf to be next to useless.

[EZ_Quartz428]

Berserkers will not be getting BS or any other rogue abilities... check my sig for an awsome Forum for them... you can also check out the lvl chart in my sig too... lot of info at both places ------------------
Kryell Darkaxe - Zerker Boards

Berserker Chart by Lvl

-Up and coming Troll Berserker of (One of them Gods)

"Rallos Zek invented the Rage of War, Berserkers perfected it"

[EZ_Chiop]

what I find scary is that a few months ago we were joking about verant introducing a class like the 'bezerker' months back before anyone knew GoD existed.

pub146.ezboard.com/fthesa...=1&stop=20

[EZ_MaeMai]

New Berserker Interview found here Maemae
Overlord
Maimai
Archon
Play like a Allstar, Party like a Rockstar, Pound it like a Pornstar
Check out the new Berserker Boards!

[EZ_Rekcim]

Quote:Berserker's damage comes in between a warrior and a monk

DPS lower then a monk for a rotten war cry ability?? This class is DOA if you ask me.

[EZ_BaxstarrBuyan]

Sounds like a kiter class to me. They have abilities that act as snares, dots, and stuns. Plus they have ranged DPS potential. Basically they melee with Stuns till they get a Dot and a Snare to land then back off and kite with throwing axes at the mob. I really wish we could see what the axes will be like. Has anyone checked to see if Ber is listed on Throwing Boulders? If so their axes must be better than those rather quickly.

~B

[EZ_Quartz428]

BER is marked on alot of throwing weapons... but not many (if any) are much better then the ones that are summonable at the appropriate lvl ------------------
Kryell Darkaxe - Zerker Boards

Berserker Chart by Lvl

-Up and coming Troll Berserker of (One of them Gods)

"Rallos Zek invented the Rage of War, Berserkers perfected it"