View Full Version : Weapon Choices
01-21-04, 12:35 PM
Lots of other post like this, but didn't see one that matched what I wanted to see.
Currently WS/RB combo
Soon I can get GT and the Ldon dagger.
I have a 41% haste neck and run about 1325 atk (no buffs no sov)
My normal group has FA shammy so full buffed i get 1610 atk, and rarely ranger buffs get me to 1780s
My question, assuming I have all 4 daggers
(assume all Bot mobs for frame of reference)
Low attack situations (1370 atk with sov)
thinking Ldon dagger primary /WS off hand
Buffed attack ( 1610 atk fa/sov)
Thinking Talon primary /Ldon dagger off hand
I say this with the up coming triple back stab, bs's will be more important
My third option is to not get the ldon dagger and get the BP since I feel like a newb in my Ta Ew chain mail.
What do you all think?
1- I want to do the most damage possible
2- I don't want to have to deal with Shank's Proc
3- I want a new BP
1. MDoD is going to outdamage GT/Shank in primary, so unless you're soon-to-be Elemental, just get it and parse it yourself to see if you can bag Rage by swapping GT/Shank into your offhand. MDoD is going to make a better offhand than either once you get GRMK/Dart/RMT/Ifir so you might as well just get it anyways.
2. GT/Rage or MDoD/Rage are both totally solid pre-elemental DPS. See 3.
3. Sounds like you already made your decision. Why did you even bother to post?
01-21-04, 02:45 PM
Right now I dont have either GT, or MDoD, realistacly they are both a month away. I am not close and never will be Elemental flagged, so those other options, aren't.
I have been dealing with the Shanks proc for months now, and it doesnt bother me much at all, only a couple times has it ever caused me a problem.
The point in asking the question is which should i push for first, GT or MDoD. If I want to I can get the GT in the next week or two, but wanted to let some of the other rogues in our guild with rage as their primary get it first. And with triple back stab coming I'm wondering if the GT will be a better weapon than MDoD can be in primary. BUT with my lowish attack (once bagging epic with fa around 1560, without fa around 1380) wondering if the GTs added dmg from back stabs with over come its slower delay.
I throw the BP idea out there to show that I have use for those LDoN points other than just getting another dagger that may not be that worth it. For me the loss in dmg from GT/WS vs. GT/MDoD is not worth the loss in stats (my sta isnt maxxed).
So to respond to your 1-2-3
1. I dont have the daggers to parse my self, or I wouldn't have asked. Not getting Elemental planes so other daggers are not options.
2. I like my WS and dont plan on bagging it unless I need to not worry about the dot.
3. I havent made up my mind, thus the purpose of my asking.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
01-22-04, 01:02 AM
Talon always does the same or less damage then WS. I know people who claim Talon does more damage with high atk, but I have never seen a parse to back it up. The difference si so small, that it might be worth the swap to get rid of the proc. If you are not bothered by the proc, dont even consider the talon.
MDoD/WS will be by far (quessing a 3-4% margin) the best damage. Of course for the same number opf points you get as specter bp with a V3 aug, for a 1.5% damage increase.
If you are doing Ssraa, then getting khal/BB or emp sword, and spending your AP on more vengence augs, might land you the best performance for the money. Ishwar - level 65 Barbarian Rogue - GM smith
01-22-04, 01:30 AM
The Gargoyle Talon, Wicked Shank and the Malevolent Dirk of Deception are all pretty much on par with each other. Yes there is a slight dps difference but nothing too noticeable when you factor in the other attributes of each weapon (stats, hp, dmg, delay, haste, whatever).
Personally since you have the shank currently, I'd just roll with that for a while and do what Ishwar suggestted. Start looking into the armors and augments from LDoN instead. You can get a nice BP to upgrade your Tae Ew one from there and it will have augment slots in which you can even add nifty things like Vengeance to. Take a look in the Back Alley here in the Safehouse at the merchants to see if anything in those lists screams out to you. Some of the vengeance augments are type 7 as well (1450 points from butcherblock for a v4 augment) so anything's obtainable these days.
I use the Gargoyle Talon mainhand and Epic offhand still with unbuffed 1333 atk right now and unless something presents itself to me in the foreseeable future, I'm content to stick with those while I work on the rest of my gear. My dps isn't bad with them and my backstabs still make a significant contribution to the fights. Once I find myself with access to better weapons like the Ifrir and beyond, then I'll probably reconsider and work on weapons for a while. Right now though I myself am not even elemental flagged after all this time so my only raid exp up there has been with piggying into the planes which means even if we do kill whoever, wherever, odds are there will be more Rogues waiting ahead of me for the drops.
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01-22-04, 01:47 AM
I finally banked my WS permanently, one too many deaths from that stupid DoT breaking my escape. I used to offhand shank with MDoD main if I had some atk buffs. While that might have parsed out with added dps in the end it became not worth it to me. Now, I'm using MDoD/Rage all the time. The GT in addition to MDoD are very different goals really, with MDoD requiring quite a few adventures. If you know you are going to get MDoD, then I'd pass on the GT and let someone else that can't/won't do LDoN adventures have it. I'm quite happy now with MDoD/Rage until I get something better. I'm also seeing quite a few rogues with the same combo. I think there's a reason for that ;) . Marauder Chora Dementia
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