SBD in PVP

[EZ_Coraan]

Saw this quote on the necro/rogue thread.

"I don't care if you've got a Ragebringer and a Primal Spear, use an SBD either mainhand or offhand. Once Necro is darked, you win."

THis got me to wandering about the SBD. it procs darkness, but i likened it to the ebony blade a ranger gets (procs snare).

Snare is great in PvP, but the ebony blade is rarely used by rangers, as snare is so easily resisted.

Does the darkness proc from the SBD have a better chanceof landing, making it viable at the high end pvp game? or is it also easily resisted?

btw- SBD is a serrated bone something) - Coraan
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[EZ_Mazeron]

Serrated Bone Dirk. From my experiences if the target player has high magic resist its resisted lots. Of course its been like 1.5 years since even using a SBD so I dont really remember it.

[EZ_Paell]

well if it lands hes right you win, Paell La Puta
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[Kambic]

It's overrated IMO. I used my trak tooth / guardian sword over duel SBD's on RZ any day.

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[EZ_NachoHunter]

i dont understand how you say you win if it lands... you cant even spine break a necro, sk, or wiz and keep them from shadow stepping every 2 seconds. or is there some way to prevent this that i'm unfamiliar with?

[EZ_Maximilean]

Engulfing darkness is a level 12 necro spell (don't know SK level) that is a combination snare and dot, around 100 damage to npcs or something around there.

Problem is, because it's a two-effect spell it is resisted beyond belief. It's common wisdom among necromancers to expect it to fail in PVP if the target has acceptably good resists.

I've never really used an SBD much in PVP, as I got rid of mine on my blue char before I dueled much.

[EZ_Theiven]

It has been a long time since i have used the Serrated Bone Dirk, and if i remember correctly it procs at level 27. Pre-Kunark the SBD was the most bad ass weapon a rogue could have from his high twenties up into his 40's sometimes. Then the SBD would be replaced by an eyerazzia, or other planar weapon.

The proc was great for soloing. Put SBD in mainhand untill Darkness procs, then kite around with arrows. (daggers usually too low damage/range) Heh... i cant explain how fun it used to be to try and solo as a rogue... although at times could become very discouraging.

I do remember using the SBD in quite a few duels when i was in my 30's and 40's, but as soon as i got a Locustlure i never used SBD main hand again.

Hope this helps...

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[EZ_Elegance]

yeah they can shadow step if they have it memed, but they cant stop to cast on you unless they get really far away, not to mention that rogue pokers are vey fast and have a shot at interuppting shadow step. and forget about sks they are basterds.

[EZ_Maximilean]

If you are in a good spot (high ground) a good shadowstep will take you clear out of casting range. It is an overrated spell, but still good. My necro has never been interrupted by a rogue more than once casting shadowstep, although that's lowbie (unhasted) encounters.

[EZ_Aerimus Shadowborn]

Doesn't matter if it was at lowbie lvls channeling skill goes up as you lvl as does weapon speed. As a rule don't expect to interupt shadowstep unless you stun them.

On another note the person who posted that was an idiot anyone at the lvl required to have ragebringer let alone a primal weapon the proc will be resisted 99.999999% of the time. Can you imagine someone using an 8 27 main hand rather than a 15 25 /boggle you would lose 40% of your damage output for a proc that wont stick. Honestly however little the caster knows about rogues you would get laughed at. Edited by: Aerimus Shadowborn at: 8/11/01 7:07:15 pm

[EZ_Mordier]

It was an honest question I think...he was just curious about the effects.

But ya, at the RB level you really shouldn't be using a SBD. At mid levels though it can work wonders. You'll want higher dex for the proc though, and it's very very very unpredictable. But Morvran uses one usually. The more you leave dead, the less you need to watch your back.

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[Arafain]

Ebony Blade procs root, not snare. Heh. -- Arafain Entreri, 60 Assassin
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[EZ_Raith Fennin Ro]

At times in OS when there wasn't an available snarer, I've snared for group's in King / Bar / D1 and D2 with a SBD and 255 dex. SBD is an awesome weapon and hella underrated. IMHO

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Scary huh?

[freonsmurf]

Its good stuff still ya hit the 35+ range.

Druids dont get MR buff still lvl 34, not sure about necros.

Any melee class ya run up against if gonna have to pray for their natrual resists.

Being a rogue you will catch some ppl when they arent prepared either.

Also, with green/even and 10% of reds cons my lvl 1 blind spell works consistently without mala/or tash, MR isnt a huge issue on SZ since most of the population isnt farming bluddiamonds..
As a lvl 34 shaman have 96 magic unbuffed, but the avg for my guild is prolly closer to 50 MR or so.

I wouldnt give my first born for one, but as a rogue ya wanna make sure ya have all the "tools for the job".

Edit: Sig's too big. You really should know that Wix. - ShadowCross

Edited by: Shadowcross at: 8/22/01 3:39:13 am

[EZ_Toxiss]

I believe Darkness line spells are disease based, so having high MR won't help against it. People tend to have much lower disease resist, but even so, darkness line is quite resistable.

Toxiss

[EZ_SecksM]

not true. its MR, and way too resistant.

Edit: Check our sig rules please. - ShadowCross Edited by: Shadowcross at: 12/4/01 6:10:30 am

[EZ_Toxiss]

Yeah, you're right. Went and checked castersrealm, could have sworn it was disease, must have been thinking of something else. So don't use SBD =) Might have been worth a shot if it wasn't MR based.

Toxiss

[EZ_Neilia Abbelyn]

Im lvl 56 and weild ragebringer / crystaline short sword normally.

However i carry a sbd in my bags as well as others tools like embalmer knife to proc band aids,
a troichan skean (whatever name that sword from Renux have that procs clockwork poison) and polished granite tomahawk.

As a first rule, you always keep RB in main hand.

View sbd and thoses other special weapons as tools for specific target and circumstances.

You use your tool in off-hand.

SBD proc darkness. Highly resistable like being said by people in pvp. In pve, best weapon to fear kite solo mobs.

PvP I use this tool mainly against casters using a lowering MR poison as they tend to have lower resists than mellees. Using a lower MR poison is a gamble on your sbd proccing but if it does it gives you actually a beter chance of snaring your opponent than opening from start with a snare poison. It is definetely good if you group with a chanter tashaning that guy for you. Also useful when no one in group can snare or dark that mob. As a rule of thumb, i would say don't use unless you know your opponent MR or have ways to lower it under 70.

Polished granite tomahawk procs alot and gives ya a magic buffer with 25 streght. That i use far less unless facing a mellee. You mainly will do your dmg in jousting by timing your bs right but this can save ya some hps, 90 hps per procs. Normally proc 3 or 4 times so about 300 hps. But thats also approx same dmg you will lose with offhand due to its low 6 dmg compared with a 10dmg offhander.

Averaging tough, you better save yourself 300 hps in some circumstances than doing 300 more since most mellee have twice hps of a rogue. Again its relative on if you need to save your health or not (tough i don't see how kill a warrior fast) like if you nailing that caster, getting several procs on him and absorbing alot of dmg from the warrior hitting you while you on the caster.

Renux sword thingy, this is defintely a good caster killer. 10dmg and 25 dly is not too bad either. That proc is poison based and will spin him around for a good enough period for you to get a couple of free rounds. Problem is it don't proc alot.

Overall, it worth carrying weapons with such effects, view them as your spell book and your offhand your spell slot. eh. Use them on certain circumstances, most often you will use your best dmg ratio but theres is times it might worth it.


Edit: Please check our sig rules. - ShadowCross Edited by: Shadowcross at: 12/6/01 4:22:13 am

[EZ_Ikss Ar]

A dark elf rogue kept telling me how he was going to smack me down with his duel sbd's so we eventually dueled, he procced engulf about 3 times throughout the fight resisted all 3 times and he was dead whilst i had over half life and we were around the same level around the same gear... not worth using sbd's imo... oh yeah i had 30 mr at the time

[EZ_Venven Silentdagger]

That proc is very easily resisted at high levels.

If you want a killer weapon for PvP, get this:

Dragonspine Rapier
14/21 +10 dex,agi +20 DR +30 PR Effect of Kylie's Venom (450 poison damage over 10 ticks,35% snare) ROG

Drops from Zlexak..


Edit: Sig too large. - ShadowCross Edited by: Shadowcross at: 12/6/01 4:21:04 am

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[EZ_Stalken]

How often is it resisted in PvE? I've seen people mention kiting mobs with these. Is it really a viable option for a rogue who wants/needs to solo?

Personally it would be well worth it on my server since Sullon has such a low population compared to other servers. It is sometimes hard to find decent groups. Having the option to solo a bit would be nice.

So would this work in the 20th-30th level range?
30th-40th?
40th-50th?

If not. Are there any other items that would make it possible for rogues to solo sometimes?
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[EZ_Brellin]

If you want a snare proc weapon, go for this :

Nightfall
Dam: 9
Delay :16
5str 5dex 25hp
effect: dooming darkness (or whatever 49th necro snare is)
rogue only =)

Of course, there's always the problem of getting it...heh

Brel Lin'Darkmoore
Mrymidon of Rallos

[EZ_Tzara]

If you're going to offhand a weapon in PvP because it has a resistable proc, that proc had better be "you win."

PvP fights involve MANY less weapon swings than do PvE fights.

If you manage to snare anybody who's anywhere near your level with MR above 70 with an offhanded SBD, go buy a lottery ticket immediately.
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[EZ_Wildd]

GAR

[Arafain]

Boy, is THIS an old thread.

Honestly, the proc is very easy to resist in PvP. In PvE it seems to work a bit better - I've used it to snare frogs in seb occasionally, but I never, ever make the mistake of depending on it. While I've never had a proc resisted on a seb frog yet, it only takes one unexpected resist to make a train, and depending on a proc is trouble in and of itself.

[Stabendail]

Imo if you want to snare somone PvP stick with Poisions =p Stabendail Darkstrike
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[Greldek]

my favorite combo was the SBD main Gnoll hide lariat offhand

sadly at 42 I can't get these to land on anyone
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