Ruins of Old Paineel

[EZ_Alluveal]

[Tue Aug 26 15:42:20 2003] You say, 'Hail, Protector of the Ruins'
[Tue Aug 26 15:42:21 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'Greetings traveler, it has been ages since I have seen another living person. I have spent many years down here trying to perfect an ancient spell discovered long ago. While the history of this place is still told throughout Norrath, only those who live here know what really went on when the heretics moved down here. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:42:24 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:42:25 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'After Paineel was built, some of its inhabitants began to research the Wall of Living Stone. It is said that the wall was erected to keep intruders from entering the Underfoot. Giving in to curiosity, the heretics tried to siphon some of the walls power. This caused a weakening in the wall and a seal within it broke creating an opening to the Underfoot. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:42:42 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:42:42 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'The actions of my brethren were viewed as a threat by the minions of Brell, lord of the Underfoot, and so in an effort to drive back the danger, Brell's minions went to war with the heretics. The war resulted in the deaths of many Erudites. To turn the tides of war the heretics hatched a plan that would seal the wall to the Underfoot again. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:42:54 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:42:54 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'The heretics planned to flood the lower area where the entrance to Brell's kingdom was found, hoping it would weaken the earth elementals and turn them back into earth or mud.. Then, with a magic I had studied from a long-forgotten tome, I would fashion a seal that would separate Paineel and the Underfoot once more. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:07 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:08 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'I remember the day we all carried special shields imbued with water-breathing magic and stood around the top of the mighty Hole. We all watched as an unfathomable amount of water rushed from the heavens into the depths of the Hole, drowning the city beneath it. Unfortunately, our attempts resulted in the loss of many of our citizens, because we were not accustomed to fighting underwater. Some of our residents also refused to evacuate, believing they could fight the war without the use of innovative tactics. It was a terrible sight. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:12 2003] You tell your party, 'we have to check dartain too'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:22 2003] You tell your party, 'ahh the story of the shields!'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:30 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:30 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'Many died to Brell's minions and others simply drowned when they lost their shields in their fights. Even so, we were successful. I had time to seal the entrance to Brell's kingdom while the minions focused on their battles. With the muddy bodies of the failing earth elementals, I summoned an ethereal door that resealed the Wall of Living Stone. A few elementals survived and with the threat of Master Yael, a protector of the Underfoot that we believe was sent by Brell-Serilis, we all fled to the tower that lies above the entrance. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:35 2003] Talaena tells the group, 'dartains EB bone shield'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:39 2003] You tell your party, 'aye jolyn has one'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:46 2003] Meredette tells the group, 'East takes you to Erudin Palace'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:52 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:53 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'The seal was a boon to our people. It helped us in two ways. First, it prevented more elementals from entering our city and, second, it cut off the magic that animated those summoned creatures that had come through. We wanted to remove those remaining elementals from our old city, but we had to wait until their powers begin to dissipate. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:56 2003] You tell your party, 'LOL omg'
[Tue Aug 26 15:43:59 2003] Meredette tells the group, 'Into a room with 4 jail cells'
[Tue Aug 26 15:44:04 2003] You tell your party, 'EEK detter! HAhahahaha'
[Tue Aug 26 15:44:17 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:44:17 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'As we waited for the day that we could get rid of Brell's influence, we begin to look for ways to compensate for our reduced numbers. That's when I discovered an old tome detailing a powerful animation spell. The author of the tome detailed how to construct golems and gargoyles and animate them with magic. I went to work using what materials I had here to sculpt some gargoyles and create some golem constructs in the hopes that we could banish the remaining inhabitants of Old Paineel. I think I managed to turn it into an art form. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:44:30 2003] You say to your guild, 'portals in the secret room work. detter's in jail in erudin /lol'
[Tue Aug 26 15:44:39 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:44:39 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'Alas, it took longer then I thought. I was so driven to get the summoned beings created that I completely detached myself from the other survivors. Then, I looked up and saw nothing but the spirits of my brethren. The years I must have spent oblivious to what transpired around me. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:44:55 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:44:56 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'I began to get lonely and was oft filled with regret. I thought I would try to reach those above the ground, but the elementals still lingered here and diminished any hope of getting to the entrance. With nowhere to go I continued to craft the lifeless statues that I would one day bring to life. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:45:10 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:45:11 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'Decades passed and I was finally ready to bring life to the stone figures I had created that would end the interference of Brell's minions. But before I begin the ritual, the spirits of my lost brethren began to whisper to me. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:45:23 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:45:23 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'In their hisses, I heard that another being had entered the Hole. The erudite phantoms told me that this being was slaying all the elementals that dared cross his path. They said he carried the scale of a red dragon as a sign of his strength. The news intrigued me so I rushed to find out who this person was. I was lonely and curious, after all. By time I had left my room in the temple's tower, he had already made his way to the tower entrance. Standing in front of me with ferocious eyes, he sheathed his sword and bowed before me. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:45:37 2003] You tell your party, 'ohh.. Nortlav'
[Tue Aug 26 15:45:47 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:45:48 2003] Protector of the Ruins says '"Who are you?" I asked. He replied that he was the great dragon-slayer Nortlav, a warrior of dark magic, who had single-handedly slain a mighty red dragon. He said that he had been sent down here to find out what happened to the heretics. He was meant to bring back clues so that our fellow Erudites above could know what happened. Seeing me alive surprised him and he was anxious to get word back to his employers in Paineel. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:46:03 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:46:04 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'We sat in front of a fire for many hours as I told the tales of the battles waged down here. Nortlav was moved by the plight of the Erudites lost in the war and vowed to help me take our old city by ending the lives of the remaining minions of Brell. Through his studies of undead magics and summoning, Nortlav did have some knowledge about the magic that would build the constructs I had worked on for so long. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:46:27 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:46:27 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'That night when we chose to bring life to the mighty constructs I had been forming for so many years, there was a strange tension in the air. Strands of magic filled the tower as I recited the key words to execute the spell. Nortlav stood by and echoed my chants. All was going smoothly until an explosion blew Nortlav and me from our feet. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:46:42 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:46:42 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'Winded, I stood up to see a hulking mass of liquid black ore oozing towards me. Clearly, the spell had worked, but for some reason the stone had lost its temper. Instead of walking, the golems seemed to slide across the floor. It didn't matter to me then, as they did obey and would seek out the elementals and try to destroy them. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:46:59 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:46:59 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'Nortlav studied the tome I had been using and asked if I had used a chunk of living rock in the recipe. I told him that it was impossible for me to retrieve living stone on my own. For this spell, I used granite chunks I found at the tower. Nortlav's eyes glowed brightly as he rushed pass me saying he would return shortly. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:47:12 2003] You tell your party, 'I have some dull black ore'
[Tue Aug 26 15:47:28 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:47:29 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'From deep in the caverns, I heard the cry of the horrible elemental guardian, Master Yael. He shouted Nortlav's name and I was sure I would never lay eyes on him again! But Nortlav burst through the door to my chambers with a fierce grin. Bloody and bruised, he reached out and opened his hand. Resting on his palm was a chunk of earth that he retrieved from Yael. He said that with that rock, the spell for the constructs should work. He told me that if I used the armor of my fallen comrades in the spell recipe, that I should be able to construct golems of steel, which would be much stronger then ones of stone. Then, Nortlav turned and disappeared into the hallways of the temple. I expected him to return to assist me with working the spell on my sculptures, but he never did. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:47:30 2003] Talaena tells the group, 'living heart of a brell minion finally going to be useful?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:47:34 2003] You tell your party, 'I hope so'
[Tue Aug 26 15:48:13 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:48:13 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'I called to the golems I had created earlier and commanded them to collect all the pieces of armor they could find on the floor of the Tower. While I waited for the steel ingredients, I smeared some of the earth taken from Yael's body on the gargoyles I had made and begin the ritual again. It worked far better than I could have imagined. Moving as if made of living tissue, the gargoyles sprung to life and crouched before me. I commanded them to begin sculpting more forms for me to give life to. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:48:32 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:48:32 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'The golems brought back piles of armor, which I coated with the mud from Yael's body and brought them to life. It wasn't long before I had created a significant army of summoned creatures that would help us reclaim our city from Brell's servants. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:48:34 2003] Olim tells the group, 'the steel armor from the tower.. i have a full set'
[Tue Aug 26 15:48:55 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:48:55 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'When I felt it was the right time, I sent the constructs forth with one command -- destroy all elementals that inhabit the city. They marched forward and executed the command flawlessly. Realizing that in their weakened condition they stood no chance against my creations, the elementals begin to flee to a hidden part of the city. I called for my summoned creatures to stop their assault and told the spirits of my fellow heretics to once again take back that which was theirs. With relieved and grateful whispers, they floated back into the city and took the places they held when they were alive. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:49:11 2003] You tell your party, 'wow so he killed all the elementals with his machines..'
[Tue Aug 26 15:49:16 2003] You tell your party, 'that's why no elementals or rocks'
[Tue Aug 26 15:49:31 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:49:32 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'There was a lingering issue, though. Ever since Nortlav gave me the earth he found on Master Yael, I had not seen him. It had been years since I'd set my eyes upon him. Escorted by some golems I began to search. Feeling confident and safe, we entered the chamber of Yael. He still stood! While he looked much weaker than the day he came through from the Underfoot, he was still an intimidating sight. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:49:55 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:49:56 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'I carefully looked around the chamber and saw a ghostly figure. With my brawny servants keeping an eye on Master Yael, I approached the ghostly figure hoping against all hope it wasn't that brave dragon slayer I had once known. But it was Nortlav. After the battle with Yael, he returned and was killed by Yael. "Nortlav what happened?" I asked. The incoherent moan was all I needed to ignite the flame of revenge inside of me. The thought of this great warrior being reduced to some mindless spirit trapped in Yael's domain caused a fire of hate to burn in my heart. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:50:12 2003] You tell your party, 'awww'
[Tue Aug 26 15:50:14 2003] You tell your party, 'norty is dead'
[Tue Aug 26 15:50:24 2003] Olim tells the group, 'seems so'
[Tue Aug 26 15:50:36 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:50:36 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'In my fit of rage, I began the ritual again, with a few alterations. With some new words and reagents, I aimed to create the mightiest golem that had ever crushed the ground of Norrath. It's only purpose would be to destroy the failing Master Yael. I wanted the ultimate payment, the highest price possible for killing my people and extinguishing the flaming spirit of Nortlav. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:50:43 2003] Sisle tells the guild, 'Loot the scales :P'
[Tue Aug 26 15:51:05 2003] You tell your party, 'maybe he wants parts to make this golem'
[Tue Aug 26 15:51:08 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:51:08 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'I remember the sweat forming on my brow as I twisted the spell to do my bidding. A whirling tornado of magic appeared before me and it was filled with as much rage as I had buried in me for countless ages. The room filled with a vicious storm of magic. I collapsed when the spell was completed. And when the room cleared, there it was -- my perfect construct. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:51:18 2003] You tell your party, 'lol detter you gonna get out of jail?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:51:32 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:51:33 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'Towering over me, his pearly black skin gleamed. I shouted for him to destroy Master Yael and to make sure nothing else ever enters or leaves through the Wall of Living Stone. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:51:41 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:51:41 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'Master Yael shouted in vain as my construct ripped him to pieces. The battle lasted mere moments before its earthen corpse crumpled to the ground. Having completed its first task, the new construct stood in front of the Wall of Living Stone and called two other constructs to its side. The construct still stands there, forever watching for those creatures that would come through the wall from the Underfoot and violate my home. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:52:12 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:52:12 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'All of my efforts to reclaim Old Paineel for the heretics, and my vengeance, have taken a toll on me. With nothing to distract me, my desire to return to the world of the living slowly returned. While searching for a safe path to the surface, I discovered a secret wall I had never seen before. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:52:24 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:52:24 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'I stepped through and came upon a door that could not be opened by my fragile hand. I called to a construct and had it force the door open for me. What I discovered is what lies before you, three portals which take you above ground. The very same heretic who fashioned the spell for my constructs, also had the skill and talent to create the portals. I wonder if they were put there during the war as a failsafe escape. The fact that they weren't used concerned me. I thought they might be unsafe. . . [Continue]?'
[Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2003] Meredette tells the group, 'CoH please.'
[Tue Aug 26 15:52:43 2003] Oivax begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Aug 26 15:52:44 2003] Oivax says, 'coH on Meredette in 12'
[Tue Aug 26 15:52:44 2003] Oivax tells the group, 'CoH on Meredette in 12'
[Tue Aug 26 15:53:00 2003] You say, 'continue'
[Tue Aug 26 15:53:00 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'I've gone through the notes that were left inside the ancient tome he wrote. After going through his notes I think I discovered the problem and have tried to fix it. I am still trying to figure out how these [portals] can be used to return here, but the tome was ripped to shreds one day during one of my experiments. Now the pages lie all over the place. While I have collected many of the pages I have yet to find the remaining twelve and the book cover. If I ever retrieve them I can rebind the book with the aid of the Tome of Research that is held by my perfect construct. In your travels if you happen to come across any of the pages I ask that you combine each chapter in this Lexicon. Then they can be combined with the book cover to complete that part of the ancient tome. When I have, I will be able to go to the surface and then return.'
[Tue Aug 26 15:53:03 2003] You tell your party, 'a book'
[Tue Aug 26 15:53:08 2003] You tell your party, 'Tome of Basic Research, 4 slot container'
[Tue Aug 26 15:54:01 2003] You say, 'what portals'
[Tue Aug 26 15:54:01 2003] Protector of the Ruins says 'If I remember correctly, the portal to my right will lead to New Paineel, the current home of the heretics. The one to my left it will lead to the prison in Erudin. The third one behind me leads to the home of the dark elves.'

[EZ_Alluveal]

Didn't see any new or unusual pages drop in the Hole, at least in the areas we were hunting: The Library, the Gap, City Hall, just outside the ghost tower. Perhaps more hunting there will produce some pages.

The room needs a rogue to get into (or a key.) It used to be a room that was unaccessable, meaning that you could not open it or unlock it. You used to receive NO message, you simply could not open the door. If you sat up and down (old models) you could see inside. There used to be a rock golem in there with writing on the floor, and the three portals, like this picture:

www.alluveal.com/hole2.jpg

www.alluveal.com/hole5.jpg

Now the rock is replaced by the Protector of the Ruins.

You need 12 pages. I assume you put 3 matching pages into the book to make a chapter, then put 4 chapters and combine. If I hear / learn more, will let you all know.

Edited by: Alluveal at: 8/26/03 8:48 pm

[EZ_Snarky00]

Damn was just about to post this. Looking for more information.

[EZ_Snarky00]

I think this is tied in with the page that the gnome on the way down to the city talks about. Hopefully his quest wil lead to more pages once I find the other brother.

[EZ_Bretac]

A little history that at first glance conflicts with this new information, yet in reality supports it:

Dartain was originally part of Old Paineel. When the portal to Plane of Underfoot was opened and Yael's boys invaded, the best spellcasters of Paineel, which I now see included this Protector guy, created The Hatch (the door) to seal off Underfoot. By doing this, Yael would be trapped but the portal would be closed. Now, this Protector guy says he was responsible for sealing it, but according to the Dartain story, Dartain actually fled into Underfoot and sealed the portal from that side. Many long years passed, and one day Ognit Eznertob, a gnome mage from the Kunark storyline, followed in the path of the Heretics and tried to siphon power from The Hatch. This caused the door to weaken again, and elementals started escaping to the above-ground world. What this also did was allow Dartain to come back from Underfoot, but being long-considered dead, and also cause he was not terribly liked by the new Paineelians, he went back to live in The Hole and plot his new course in life. How The Hatch got re-sealed I'm not sure, but I think Al'Kabor had something to do with it. Anyway, I think the Protector guy spent all the time that passed between the original sealing of The Hatch and the present EQ day building up his army of constructs.

Obviously, this "Tome of Research" is held by Guardian of the Seal, the big black reaver look-a-like in Yael's old spot. He's not an easy bugger, you will need about 3 grps because his gargoyle buddies are not mezzable or lullable and assist the Guardian even if you manage to split them. So essentially, you need 1 MA to focus on the Guardian while the rest of the raid eliminates his gargoyle buddies, then when they die everyone focuses on the Guardian till he falls. The gargoyles are blue at 65 and reportedly cast a wizard nuke that did 1600 damage, and the Guardian of the Seal is red at 65, hits for a maximum of 980, and may be slowable. I think Snarky is correct, this spell quest seems to tie into the same quest the Cogswin fellow sends you on, to find his two brothers and recover their spell pages. This does not, however, have anything to do with the gnome Cogswin in PoK, they have the same last name but are two entirely different quests. From the other thread on this topic, it looks like Tani Cogswin in Chardok had his page taken from him, and either Historian Selrin or the Prince will have one spell page, and the 2nd Cogswin brother, Stiggle, is as of yet undiscovered. With such a long and involved quest, the final spell/tome is going to be mighty nice. Especially if it can summon portals like the ones behind the Protector.

/wave Snarky Edited by: Bretac at: 8/27/03 2:03 am

[Ronaan]

so it looks like Yael is gone for good? WRU strength of the elements... along with the loam robe

those portals sound nice. neriak eh? that mystical firepot might get some traffic after all (yes i know it used to lead elsewhere)

very interesting.

[EZ_StevoWevo]

When engaged, the Guardian at the bottom says 'Those who tamper with the seal shall suffer the same fate as that fool Yael!' Edited by: StevoWevo at: 8/27/03 4:07 am

[EZ_Snarky00]

Yeah, he will also attack you if you click on the door. Im curious about what he will drop exactly.

[EZ_Jorx]

I found a journal page on the ground, under where one of the Broken Golems spawns. It was in the tunnel that leads down to the "old city" where Kirn used to spawn. If I remember right, it was the 2nd golem.

I am at work, so I can’t remember the exact name, but it was Journal Page 38 or something, and it contained part of a story (you could read it).

[salyvan]

NOOOOOO!!!! I was in the middle of doing that elements quest

Anyone found the rock that used to drop from Yael anywhere else?

[Cresch]

This Thread shows a new NPC in Chardok that says things like:

By Brell
Shouldn't have taken those pages
On my way to return them when I was captured by Sarnaks

Might have some bearing on the Ruins of Old Paineel - Underfoot quest in this thread.

[EZ_Drekalf Goreu]

Where is Kindle's Ghost? Ench's epic will not be complete if shes not in game....

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

Killed the Seal Keeper in the bottom of the hole a few hours ago. He dropped @#%$ mid-level shoulders and 85hp earing.

Also dropped "Ancient Tome of Research." Container, 4 slot. No drop.

My guess is, you use the Basic Tome of Research to make the chapters, then the Ancient Tome to make the final book.

Working on getting the page out of Chardok right now. Still no sign of the other gnome sibling.

-Drakz
Dreadlord, Eternal Wrath
Ayonae Ro

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

Also, Killed Notlav's Ghost and got "Jagged Sword of the Dragon Slayer" Unequippable. Has a right click, +20atk effect, Notlav's Vengeance on it, but uncastable from inventory. The Protector of the Ruins didn't want it, either.

[EZ_Eitsekur]

In a day in the revamped Hole (fantastic zone now imo, revamp not only added some excellent lore but the zone is neatly broken down into sections of difficulty for exping - plus giant rock mobs!), we've found two journal pages so far. One was a ground spawn somewhere near the Jaeil the Wretched spawn point, in those tunnels (looter said it was on a rock), and one dropped off An Animated Construct that accompanied Guardian of the Seal (very cool mob). Unfortunately, the Ancient Tome of Research, page 50, and whichever other page was looted are all on different people...

That's two of 12 pages accounted for.

Additional info: looted 'a sacred key' off An Ancient Guardian deep in the inner city (said mob also dropped a 25ac plate class helm with hp, mana, and wisdom, NO DROP). Droppable, not lore or magic, Class and Race listing: none. However, it had a Deity decriptor: Cazic Thule. Have yet to test out this key anywhere in the zone but will probably be doing that some time soon.

(and for people doing Strength of Elements, the Animated Constructs that accompany Guardian of the Seal drop the Fusible Earth Ore. So this quest is still intact.)

[EZ_DrooganDelArmgo]

That key is used for a door that is just by the Polzin label on this map: www.eqmaps.com/m3/thehole4.jpg
You see the dead end sort of hall (Just below and to the right of that label), its sorta shaded off, well the key worked there (as my friend couldn't open the door, and I could).

Got two of them dropped off random named along with some semi mediocre bracer and mask. Revamp is a lot of fun, if you want to see the guardian of the seal, just make a level 1 CT cleric and DA jump into the hole from paineel. Edited by: DrooganDelArmgo at: 8/27/03 5:54 pm

[salyvan]

(and for people doing Strength of Elements, the Animated Constructs that accompany Guardian of the Seal drop the Fusible Earth Ore. So this quest is still intact.)

I would like to know how someone in their 50s, which is the level the quest was made for, is supposed to actually complete this now!!!

There is NO WAY a group a 50+s can get this drop...

And forget getting down to Jael!!! Those gargoyles on the way are way overpowered for a group of 50s trying to get that ranger drop. Edited by: Salyvan at: 8/27/03 11:14 pm

[EZ_Snarky00]

He is probably easier then Yael since he doesn't deathtouch.

[EZ_DrooganDelArmgo]

Duo'd all the way to yael's room with a 65 bl and 65 sk, no problems with any mobs, some dont slow, but only hit ~200-300. I don't see how a group of 50's couldn't make it down there, unless they were going faster than they should or have sloppy pulls

[EZ_Eitsekur]

Quote:He is probably easier then Yael since he doesn't deathtouch.
Triple 980 unslowable (or else very very resistant), two basically unsplittable 400 hitting guards (everything's aggro linked and the door locks to the chamber - presumably when you aggro the boss (Guardian of the Seal) or one of his cronies (An Animated Construct). Plus there's the surprise he has...

Killed him again last night and he dropped Earring, Shoulders, and Ancient Tome of Research again. Thinking this is the extent of his drop table...

His guards dropped the Fusible Earth Ore again, and a different journal page (page 50 last time, page 39 this time).

On an unrelated note, was wondering and found a room of five pops off the fountain room. Inside that room, right, and down the stairs through a locked door there is a room with two green fire pit things and five pops. Two pops are down by the fire pits, two are on either side of a raised level in the room, and one stands in front of a throne. The weird part: for some reason the mobs appear to be aggro linked to the throne mob. Killed a round in that room (or rather someone else barged in and killed them) and no named or unusual pops. No weird drops afaik. Anyone have any ideas?

[EZ_Snarky00]

I got page 51 off two different mobs one from one of the Guardians gargoyle friends and one from a temple researcher. Also got a page 53 off another researcher. it looks like the pages will come randomly from any named mobs. I want to start gathering the text from the pages so gonna post the ones I got.

Outcast's Journal Page 51
The elementals have been rather bold lately. A few chaged the front gate and killed 5 people before being subdued. They are becoming more powerful everyday, but I do not understand why they are attacking. We have not crossed into their land so why do they come here to slaughter us. I must convince everyone that we need to leave and with the power I hold and the minions I can create we will easily take Erudin.

Outcast's Journal Page 53

I am writing this in haste as the city captain is banging on my door. I have been labeled a traitor and as such sentenced to banishment from the city though I can control stone, I am unable to influence these creatures and thus will be quickly destroyed by the elementals who wait outside the city walls. The portal spells are still incomplete and so I have recorded them in this tome hopes that someone will one day complete them. I have also included my conclusions on how to get the portals to work both ways. Whoever reads this please save my people and keep their memories alive. Oh and remember to never reveal the...(cuts off here)

[EZ_Bretac]

Ty for posting the info from the pages, Snarky. I'm away from EQ for a short while, and even if I wasn't, I'm the only person I know who cares about this stuff, or The Hole.

[EZ_604Marneus604Rogue604]

anyone finish it yet?, what does the key do? and what is the sword for?

[EZ_Snarky00]

My trusty halfling steed Trapbait found another page while running around.

[Fri Aug 29 01:38:56 2003] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Fri Aug 29 01:38:58 2003] Your Location is -14.58, -107.32, -273.76
[Fri Aug 29 01:39:36 2003] You say, '-14.58, -107.32, -273.76. Page 20. Under fallen door'

and the text

Outcast's Journal Page 20

Finally after nibtgs if research I have come to the conclusion that the wall placed deep in our home was brought to life by the touch of Brell. My studies of led to proof that this is indeed the door to the Underfoot and as such I have began to figure out ways to extract and harness this power. However the possibility of cataclysmic consequences seems high, but the value of such power is worth the risk unless...

[EZ_GrippaG]

The key opens any of the locked doors in the zone - one key fits all.

I've searched most of the city area with my rogue and not found any more pages, that haven't been mentioned in this thread already.

I can't search any deeper with the rogue because the gargoyles and rats keep eating me. But when I next take a goup down I'll make sure to explore the nooks and crannies.

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

Quote:I've searched most of the city area with my rogue and not found any more pages, that haven't been mentioned in this thread already

Same. I found absolutely nothing else.

There is a third page, 52 or 53, I forgot which one because they're mixed in my bags now - it is inside one of the tombstones outside of the old temple.

The gnome in Chardok, one of the 2 you have to find with the broken Page, Tani, is in the slave camp. To get to him, take the first drop off from the first bridge. He should be on your left. The historian that he says has the page is inside of the Prince's room. With some luck, you can pull him out and split him. He's a cleric, hits for max 300's, even con level 65. I downed him with myself, and a 65 cleric. I think I needed 2 CH's.

Still no word on the other gnome, Stiggle. The 2 torn pages, once both are found, must be returned to the gnome in the hole.

Still working.

Some thoughts, however.

There are 12 pages. That amounts to 4 chapters, 3 pages each. Could each chapter be for a different pure caster class? The torn letters to the gnomes are labeled Nec / Wiz / Mage / Ench. So perhaps all of chapter 20 combines to make a, say, necromancer spell, while chapter 21 is Wizard, and so on. Just a thought.

-Drakz Soulsnacks
Dreadlord of Eternal Wrath
Ayonae Ro Edited by: Drakz Soulsnacks at: 8/29/03 9:54 am

[EZ_Findar]

found a gnome npc between first castle and the ramp down to next castle at the very start of the rock tunnels sitting looking at the pond

hailed and he eventually gave me a "Note to Tani" and "Note to Stiggle", magic / lore / no drop / wiz,mag,enc,nec as classes. he also despawns once he does this.

oh here is his chatlog for the lore people


[Fri Aug 29 14:26:30 2003] Logging to 'eqlog.txt' is now *ON*.
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:30 2003] You say, 'Hail, Pellillo Cogswin'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:30 2003] Pellillo Cogswin says 'What how did you see me? Never mind I guess it doesn't matter at this point. Our [goal] has become unattainable.'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:34 2003] You say, 'what goal?'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:34 2003] Pellillo Cogswin says 'When my younger brother heard that something had happened here in these ruins he went looking for fortune and glory with a [party] made up of old friends.'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:36 2003] You say, 'what party?'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:36 2003] Pellillo Cogswin says 'As far as I know they are all treasure seekers and explorers like him, but his fate has become less of a priority to me as my attention has been placed on my other [brothers] that accompanied me here.'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:38 2003] You say, 'what brothers?'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:39 2003] Pellillo Cogswin says 'Well to make a long story short, my other brothers and I tracked the party here, but when we found that disenchanted earth elemental we all stopped to investigate. What we found was quite extraordinary. A piece of [paper] that looked like it had been ripped from a journal was clenched in the hand of this elemental.'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:41 2003] You say, 'what paper?'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:41 2003] Pellillo Cogswin says 'The paper detailed an ancient magic spell that we believe is responsible for the constructs that recently inhabited these ruins. Now gnomes being gnomes we all begin to wonder if we could decipher the ancient text the spell was written in and use the spell for the greater good of our kind. But then I begin to have a [doubt].'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:45 2003] You say, 'what doubt?'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:45 2003] Pellillo Cogswin says 'Well after thinking about it a little I realized that there must be a reason why this magic had not been found. Many have passed through these ruins and this had never been discovered by anyone. It must have been hidden for a reason and as such I told my brothers that we should leave it here as it could bring more bad then good. That's when something [happened] I was not prepared for.'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:48 2003] You say, 'what happened?'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:48 2003] Pellillo Cogswin says 'One of them, Stiggles, turned to me and told me to shut my trap. The other, Tani turned to him and demanded that he give him the paper. They begin to argue back and forth and then a small scuffle broke out between the two. I tried to break it up, but before I could I heard the paper rip in two. Standing across from each other with a torn piece of paper in their hands they looked at me and gated home leaving me here in danger and very [worried].'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:50 2003] You say, 'what worried'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:50 2003] Pellillo Cogswin says 'This power cannot be given to my kin. It is dangerous and I must figure out how to get those pieces back. . . Hey you seem pretty interested in this to have listened so long. You think you could do me a [favor]?'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:52 2003] You say, 'what favor?'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:52 2003] Pellillo Cogswin says 'Find my brothers and when you do give them each a note I have written for them. Hopefully it will help them understand why the information contained on that piece of paper must be kept here. They should give you the piece they have and then I will need you to bring them back here to me so I can fix this mess.'
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:58 2003] You stop sneaking.
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:58 2003] You begin to hide...
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:58 2003] You have hidden yourself from view.
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:58 2003] You begin to sneak...
[Fri Aug 29 14:26:58 2003] You are as quiet as a cat stalking its prey.

edit:
page 52: the coffin for clarification Edited by: Findar at: 8/29/03 11:45 am

[Dulwin]

Just to add to the Tani/Stiggle pages, they appear to be for int casters (as listed in the usable). Maybe the final outcome of that will be for int casters as well.

[EZ_Syddin]

Has anyone tried that tinkered spider thats in DN?... like saying stiggle in a line of questioning... i think that would be cool if the gnome was hiding inside it

Well I found something else out... how to OPEN THE DOOR TO THE PLANE OF UNDERFOOT!!!


Course, there is no zone for plane of underfoot, but you can run around an empty tunnel some.


You can eye of zomm past the door, around the corner is a 'spirit of old paineel' mob.. blue con ghost.... target it with eye, have pet class assist, and /pet attack... pet will open the door!


Found this out while unsuccesfully trying to figure out what a Dorman Guardian was for... (BIG gargoyle spawns after you kill guardian of the seal)...... any clues to the Dormant Guardian?

[tindariel]

Outcast's Journal Page 36

Through a tragic accident today I have discovered a way to use this power for the good of my people. One of my apprentices was sculpting a small statue, when I asked him if I could see it he handed it to me. When the statue touched my skin it begin to meld with the statue, forming a shell around it. My apprentice's expression was one of fright. That's when the voice said, "Kill him!." then the statue attacked him. I ran for help when the voice said "Silence him now!" Turning to face him I raised my hand and rock flew forth crushing him into oblivion. In tears on my knees I looked down to see the statue, that's when I realized

PS - was a ground spawn

Mitnick / Wraith
Quellious

[EZ_Naeamian]

Quote:Well I found something else out... how to OPEN THE DOOR TO THE PLANE OF UNDERFOOT!!!

if the door is even able to be opened (which you have proven it is), then expect to see a new zone making its way to Legends in the next couple of months.

[EZ_Fushae]

I saw a gnome named Naryl Cogswin in pok, near the tranq stone, he was casting a spell if that helps any

[EZ_Snarky00]

I assume the dormant guardian is there just in case some minions of underfoot try to get through while the guardian of the seal is dead.

Im going to DN right now to check out the spider, seems as good a lead as any. The gnome in PoK is probably related to the others but he isn't involved with that quest.

[EZ_Snarky00]

Tried to hand the odd spider a copper to see if he would hand my note back if he didn't want it and got jumped by all the phase spiders in the room instead. Going t have to try clearing it out for turn in.

[EZ_kikntiger]

Killed the seal guarder guy today.

Got the tome. off his guard to the side I got journal page 22.

2 new loots dropped though from what yall have seen.

A 75hp/mana ring and some ft2 gloves for pure casters.

Forgot exact stats at the moment.

[Aluaeia]

You can use an eye of zomm to open the door and the guardian won't attack you.

[EZ_Kalendrox]

Also found in the hole:

A Ruined Sword Hilt
lore/nodrop

Dropped from a spirit of the ruins down in the mushroom room, been tearing this place apart for a few days and thats the first time ive seen it. Also, I got a page from "an old construct" at the second building, also dropped that gold earring.

[EZ_The Mighty Reorx]

Ruined Sword Hilt used to drop off of Nortlav.


Reorx Fyreforge
Wrecking Crew
Veeshan

[EZ_Zoranna]

Stiggle Cogswin spawns in DN in the room right out from the chetari tunnel.

I did not see this firsthand.

Z

[Morgrist]

It'd explain why they did a quick live fix for DN last night.

Must have been Stiggle not popping properly.

[EZ_Snarky00]

Stiggle spawns when you hand the odd spider stiggles note. I spawned him sometime last night but have had trouble getting the quest piece from him so didn't want to post yet. Basically Stiggle attacks you but he doesn't drop the paper himself it comes from one of his adds, and his adds despawn when he dies so the quest kind of screws you unless you kill the adds before him. Unless thats what they fixxed last night after I stopped trying. Respawn time on the odd spider was something like 5-6 hours.

[EZ_Sklith]

How many adds we talking about here, and levels?

I have paged 22 and 37. 22 from the 'old construct' and 37 from one of the guardians gargoyle guards. I know one is a groundspawn in the tunnel down to the temple, has anyone gotten any others than 22 off of the lesser named mobs?

[EZ_Bonuz]

When you giv "A Odd Spider" the note, Stiggle spawns in spider form, he hits for 600 or around there. at 50% he becomes a gnome, at 20% or so like 15 "a tiny clockwork" spwans, hits for 200-250 can be mezzed.

We killed Stiggle and got some desent 55hp-mana priste shulders, then killed off the adds and got "Outcast's Torn Left Page" from one of them.

Now im off to chardok

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

Where does the old construct spawn?

-Drakz

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

Well, don't bother with this quest unless you are a pure caster.

I just collected 4 pages to complete a chapter, went to combine and.. it requires a research skill. Unless verant changes this to a no-fail combine, theres nothing we can benefit from this quest, as melee or hybrids. Sorry folks heh.

-Drakz

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

We tried stiggles with 1 group tonight and I think it could have been done, the enchanter ae stun/mez worked really well on the spiders but pissed off stiggles and he ended up summoning and stunning the chanter which was the demise of us. There are 10 spiders that spawn each hitting for around 250 and pretty fast. From what we could tell when you kill them they seemed to respawn. We finally gave up after 2 attempts because it was getting really late. Are you sure the note comes from spiders? or can you just kill stiggles and get the note.

[EZ_Snarky00]

Yeah im sure. I was talking to Drakz when I first spawned him and got him down to 15% with just 65 bard/cleric but when the adds spawned we died quickly. Then while I was trying to put another group together to try again Drakz got him on the first try and got the note off a spider. The second time I tried him I thought I would be smart and pull him out of the room before spawning him and during the fight the adds spawned in the room where he starts. So we finished Stiggles and the adds despawned (with my note argg) before we could kill them. Also Stiggles dropped a crappy 35 hp/mana mask.

[EZ_Bonuz]

Adds did not despwan for us when we killed Stiggle, we where not holding up with all the adds so we hade to kill him to get it under contorl, after he died we killed adds and got note.

PS Stiggle is rooted

[EZ_Bonuz]

Handing on both torn notes gives you "Restored page 38", reads :

"It is done. My first creation has been completed and so far seems to be fully under my contorl. I managed to sneak down to the living wall today and get a sample of the mud nearby. This was the key to perfecting the construct that stand before me. While i believe it possible to use rock from anywhere, using the rock near the wall itself results in a much more powerful minion. I am recording the spell i have perfected here using the ancient runes of my people in case it is needed in the future."

[EZ_Javan Transient]

Ok, I decided to summarize what we have. Here are quotes from the above posts :

Quote:
"Killed the Seal Keeper in the bottom of the hole - dropped "Ancient Tome of Research." Container, 4 slot. No drop."

"One was a ground spawn somewhere near the Jaeil the Wretched spawn point, in those tunnels (looter said it was on a rock)"

"one dropped off An Animated Construct that accompanied Guardian of the Seal " - "page 50 last time, page 35 this time"

"I got page 51 off two different mobs one from one of the Guardians gargoyle friends and one from a temple researcher."

"Also got a page 53 off another researcher"

"You say, '-14.58, -107.32, -273.76. Page 20. Under fallen door'"

"it is inside one of the tombstones outside of the old temple" (52 or 53)

"off his guard to the side I got journal page 22"

"22 from the 'old construct' "
"37 from one of the guardians gargoyle guards"

"Handing on both torn notes gives you "Restored page 38""


From the posts, I have the following data on page numbers and locations:

20 - Ground Spawn
21 - "An old construct"
22 - "An old construct"
23 - "An old construct"

35 - "An Animated Construct", "An Ancient Construct"
36 - "an ancient gargoyle"
37 - "An Animated Construct"
38 - Quested, DN + Chardok

50 - "An Animated Construct"
51 - "An Animated Construct" & "A Temple Researcher"
52 - Ground Spawn
53 - "A Temple Researcher"

From the following quest text:
Quote:While I have collected many of the pages I have yet to find the remaining twelve and the book cover. If I ever retrieve them I can rebind the book with the aid of the Tome of Research that is held by my perfect construct. In your travels if you happen to come across any of the pages I ask that you combine each chapter in this Lexicon. Then they can be combined with the book cover to complete that part of the ancient tome.

It looks like we have 12 pages, 4 per chapter (20-23, 36-39, 50-53). After combining those, combine them plus a "book cover" (likely the drop from the reaver guy) to create the turn in piece.

In addition, it appears that each set of 4 will have 1 ground spawn, 2-3 that drop or quested. The drop pages seem to either be random or from the "An Animated Construct" which drops them more frequently (every time?). I'd wager page 36 is the ground spawn "near Jaeil the Wretched"

If what Drakz said is true (and not just a bug, we should feed back it), then you'll need a skilled caster to loot all the parts. Edited by: Javan Transient at: 9/6/03 11:46 am

[Morgrist]

It seems logical.

The Chardok mob drops a melee earring, the DN one drops priest stuff.

Carrots to help the caster finish the journal. This better be good.

[EZ_curva2]

seems like if to finish the quests u should go visist every zone revamped ( and Added ?) in the last patch ...

we have : the Hole / Chardok / DN . Anyone found something in Charesis ?

[EZ_Javan Transient]

Be funny to see this result in the mage epic pet spell. It was *just* changed on test, so that the "manifest elements" (right click on epic) was changed so that its added as a level 55 mage spell.

Fitting too, all this work to complete a spell used to create a guardian.... and what do we get? The best pre-pop mage pet.

[EZ_Dester Soultaker]

Some info to help you along. I have all of these so its first hand.

pg 20 - confirmed ground spawn.
pg 21 - an old construct
pg 22 - an old construct
pg 23 - an old construct

pg 36 - an ancient gargoyle

an old construct seems to be an uncommon spawn in the observatory area ( last big room before the old city gates, just past the pool room) and can spawn any where a destroyed construct spawns.
always drops
Shinny gold earring
4 ac, 2 str, 3 wis, int, 5 sv magic, 35 hps, 30 mana (magic, lore, recommended level: 40) all/all
a scared key (magic)
Dropped the pages 3 of the 4 times I have killed him also.

ancient gargoyle spawned for us at the broken gate to the tunnel that leads to undead tower, dropped some arms for druid, monk, bst nice stats but can't remember them. gargoyle also had the key.

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

Quote:It looks like we have 12 pages, 4 per chapter (20-23, 36-39, 50-53). After combining those, combine them plus a "book cover" (yet unfound) to create the turn in piece.

This is something I've been debating over.

Quote:'I've gone through the notes that were left inside the ancient tome he wrote. After going through his notes I think I discovered the problem and have tried to fix it. I am still trying to figure out how these [portals] can be used to return here, but the tome was ripped to shreds one day during one of my experiments. Now the pages lie all over the place. While I have collected many of the pages I have yet to find the remaining twelve and the book cover. If I ever retrieve them I can rebind the book with the aid of the Tome of Research that is held by my perfect construct. In your travels if you happen to come across any of the pages I ask that you combine each chapter in this Lexicon. Then they can be combined with the book cover to complete that part of the ancient tome. When I have, I will be able to go to the surface and then return.

I was hoping that the book cover would be the drop from the Guardian of the Seal, an "Ancient Tome of Research." Then, all that would need to be done is have the individual pages combined in the "Basic Tome of Research," given by the Protector of the Ruins. Once you have 3 completed chapters, you would combine them in the book dropped from the guardian to make whatever the final product is. If there is a book cover, I have absolutely no idea where it would be, as I have killed everything in the zone, gotten all the pages, and just can't combine the damn things into chapters, since I'm a shadowknight.

As for checking other zones to find materials - I do not believe that is worth wasting time on, unless the book cover is somewhere else - yet we have absolutely no leads on that. The protector said that the book was scattered during his experiment. The only thing that took pages out of the zone were the gnomes, and a large plot to find it unfolded from a mob in the zone. Once you have page 38, I doubt there is any need to go anywhere else.

-Drakz

[EZ_YaksaLoveCraft]

I have 9 pages + cover from guardian of the seal

More INC soon, have to do the gnome quest part

stormhammer.yaksa

65 mage Edited by: YaksaLoveCraft at: 9/3/03 4:33 pm

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

This sounds more specifically like it will be either a spell or an item for a Magician. This guy does seem to be a master of the elements from the lore he talks about and how he created the constructs/gargoyles and made the come to life from his statues. I hope someone solves this soon, until then I have pretty much gave up on it since my toon is a Cleric. We do plan on finishing it for one or more of our guildmates though once the end result is found.

[EZ_Snarky00]

That the drop from the Guardian is called "Ancient tome of Research" kind of implies that it is the old journal the quest talks about. Would be simpler if the Guardian just dropped a page and the Protector asked you to return the 3 chapters to him after combining them in the book he gives you. What im still curious about is if the droped pages are completely random or if they are tiered along with the difficulty of the zone.

[EZ_cathar brellhammer]

It appears they are tiered just like the named in the zone.
I have gotten the 3 20 series pages from old constructs and old gargoyles.
I have gotten 2 of the 3 30 series pages from an ancient construct and an ancient gargoyle.

I would assume the next level of pages come from the next series of named past the city and towards yaels old chamber.

[EZ_Bonuz]

Are you 100% that Page 22 drop off an old construct?

I have gotten 5, page 23 and 8, page 21 now...

[EZ_Bonuz]

nm got it

"Assembled Chapter 19" combined, Trival at 200 Research.
Edited by: Bonuz at: 9/4/03 3:45 pm

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

Where are you finding A Temple Researcher at? and what type of mob is he, ghost/skeleton/construct/gargoyle.

We completed chapter 19. Plan on going down to the city exit for the pages there something this weekend which shouldn't be difficult.

Last night we were able to take out Guardian of the Seal, I believe he dropped page 37 and the Tome of Research. He also dropped a real nice earring with 85 hp resists and such one of our melee got, and a real nice shoulder item with 75 mana one of our priests got.

[EZ_Daegul Mistweaver]

Temple researcher spawns up at the top of the undead tower in High Scale Kirn's old room. He's a ghost type.

[EZ_Subdi Visions]

Temple researcher spawns from at least 2 places in the temple area. Probably a random rare from any regular temple ghost.

[EZ_FoldarnManabern]

Seems kinda far fetched, but has anybody asked Echo of Nortlav about the book, the binding, pages, any key words like that? Heck, he IS sitting in front of that door. Edited by: FoldarnManabern at: 9/5/03 7:27 am

[EZ_Bretac]

Yeah, he doesn't say anything, just get some useless emote.

[EZ_Fiercely Apprehensive]

I believe Nortlav's purpose was to replace the scalekeeper. Although I guess his sword must be for something.

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

he does respond to simply Hail Nortlav though, but goes through his same saying.

[EZ_FoldarnManabern]

Hmmm... he's indifferent to all. Anybody tried talking to Guardian of the Seal? Just FYI, Brell worshippers are non-KOS to the golems as far as I can tell and are KOS to the gargoyles. not sure about the ghosts.

[EZ_FoldarnManabern]

Took my brell cleric down there. Guardian said nothing, his pets said nothing. Nortlav said nothing but his hail message.

On a totally un-related side note, do not take a level 40 naked cleric out of that room because there's a gargoyle that will eat you.

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

got page 35 on an ancient construct just past the broken city gates. pulled it out of the store room across from the gate.

[EZ_Javan Transient]

35???

The list doesn't have that as one of the 12. Can you double check the number?

Also, I haven't seen any of these on Lucy yet, anybody want to upload the ones they've looted?

[EZ_Eitsekur]

Just noticed I had a typo in one of my posts, I never got a page 39 off an Animated Construct - what I got was a page 37. So there probably isn't a page 39 and there is a page 35.

Also, it looks like the Lucy Item Collector is probably broken like the Magelo one was because of the changes made in regards to the augmentation slots added for LDoN on Test.

[EZ_Javan Transient]

updated my summary (on page 1) to reflect #35 instead of #39

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

We got page 37 from one of the Guardian of the Seal's guards.

I am still concerned as to what the Book Cover is. We have 2 chapters of this virtually completed now. You are supposed to combine the 3 chapters with the book cover in the Ancient Tome of Research and no one has came up with what the book cover might be.

[EZ_FoldarnManabern]

I think it's 3 chapters + Book cover combined in the lexicon

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

ancient tome of research is a 4 slot container, cant put a container in a container.

[EZ_FoldarnManabern]

Right, but the book cover probably isnt' a container. You put the book cover + 3 chapters into the tome of research. Sorry, used the wrong word when I said Lexicon.

[EZ_qaenyin]

Well, something that you guys havent apparently thought to try, what about just 3 chapters in AToR? I mean after all, according to the dude who gives the quest, it looks to be the book cover.

[EZ_Arianrhod Sidhe]

I picked up a ground spawn called "An Ancient Book Cover" on the balcony overlooking the bridge across the pit. Sorry, I didn't get a loc.

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

that loc would be pos 445 neg 355 neg 110 for the ancient book cover ground spawn

[EZ_Snarky00]

As far as I can tell we have all the pieces discovered. There are just so many that no one person has gotten them all yet. Unfortunatly the first few of us that were working on the quest couldn't even make the chapters, so thanks Verant for that.

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

I originally started with a cleric but after Drakz posted we couldn't combine them we switched to an enchanter to do the quest. Now she's pages 50 and 53 and the chardok kill away from finishing. Hopefully this will be something enchanters can use rather than some gimp no drop spell for another class. We were fighting in the undead tower earlier and a temple researcher spawned near the entrance to the tower just inside the first room on the right and dropped page 51 for us. We had it spawn two more times as one of the left courtyard guards but only dropped a melee ring and key. Edited by: Tomwin2003 at: 9/7/03 8:36 pm

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

Quote:There are just so many that no one person has gotten them all yet

Well, I have them, but can't combine the damn things.

Tom, pages 50 and 53 are extremely easy to get, as well as the Chardok part. I'd love for you to hurry the hell up and finish so we can find out what this yields. 50 and 53 are listed where / how to get, so I'll explain how I got Chardok, and hopefully it will help you and anyone else.

First, find a rogue. Go to the prince room, and have him wait at the door. It's a nice bonus if he disarms the trap to the main door, too.

Turn in the page. This spawns the historian.

The next step isnt always easy to find, but it shouldn't be too hard.

Find someone that is not KoS to chardok, preferably with feign or DA. Shadowknight (which is what I am, and hence why it was so easy for me) or necro or monk with a da scroll is most preferred.

You have to coax the historian out. I shot him, DA'd and ran. The best spot to drag him is down by the gnome you turned the pages into. Just die if you make it that far. Or feign, or whatever. He'll camp that spot for hours, if not longer. I waited a full hour for a cleric to come so I could tank him, he didn't move an inch.

He doesnt see invis.

Although other mobs will assist him, he has no faction hit. Don't worry if you're trying to preserve ally Chardok.

He's a wimp. Me and a 65 cleric took him out in less than a minute. I needed 1 CH. He doesnt try to gate.

Please, someone finish this quest =p

Edit - As for temple researchers...

Your best bet is the upstairs temple. Go to the top floor and kill everything. Umbae the Cold, or someone, spawns up there now, if that helps to reference where it is. If you kill everything, then one researcher (almost guaranteed, I've never seen an exception to this rule) spawns every time. Usually you can get a decent amount of page drops out of them, too.

-Drakz Edited by: Drakz Soulsnacks at: 9/7/03 11:36 pm

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

We have been seeing the temple researcher spawn at the bottom of the tower on a very consistant basis in 2 separate spawn points. When you were there did you have a tracker with you and if so did you ever have 2 temple researchers on track at the same time? We went up to the top and started killing to find that one spawned at the bottom. So we went down and got wiped again, that tower is no joke now compared to how it was. You can do it with 1 group and it doesn't really have to be a conventional group makeup but the players have to be smart.

Thanks for all of the help. Hopefully soon we will see the end result.

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

Yes, I had a tracker with me. No, we never saw more than one researcher up at one time. Usually clearing the top 4 rooms would spawn a researcher, though it may be linked to the downstairs as well, since no one's confirmed two being up at once.

Goodluck.

-Drakz

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

pages 35, 36, 37 and 38 combined form "Assembled Chapter 20"

Now to just get page 50 and 53, we had a group there tonight with no luck, got a temple researcher but no page dropped from it.

[EZ_sioscan]

Gold lined heretic cloak
cracked paineel shield
a sacred key
note to tani
note to stiggle
and outcasts journal page 37

All dropped tonight during are first run through the hole.

PS : new update we went back for a bit more , GOT 7 pages , only one page was dropped from an OLD gargoyle the rest where off mobs like the RATMen and further down off the broken mobs etc.. All the pages dropped off mobs that dropped an item .. but these pages dropped off mobs that have not been listed in all the previous texts.

just my 2 cents worth Edited by: sioscan at: 9/9/03 2:41 am

[EZ_allamar zultheiron]

does the sacred key open any doors,and if so where at.and does it go on the keyring?

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

The sacred key opens the door to the Protector of the Ruins, past the secret wall in the downtown part of the city. It does not go on the keyring. It is Cazic-Thule diety only, though I haven't tried to open it with any other character.

-Drakz

[EZ_curva2]

seems to be the hole master key ... And yes , anyone can use it .

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

Anyone finish yet?

Anticipation is killing me.

-Drakz

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

We are down to 1 page, page 50, we got 53 tonight and killed a ton of researchers...

Soon we will know what it is though.

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

page 50 and that series gave chapter 21

bwa hah hah the suspense

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

the final combine needs higher than a 175 research skill, so gonna work it up to 200 and check back. It gave our chanter the message that she dont have enough experience to do the combine.

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

With 191 research skill and the Geerlok Quill we combined the chapters and the book cover in the ancient tome of research

Reward for that combine is:
Tome of the Outcast
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: RANGE PRIMARY SECONDARY
AC: 20
Focus Effect: Extended Range IV
STR: +20 STA:+10 INT:+10 AGI: +10 HP:+75 MANA: +75 SV MAGIC: +20
Recommended level of 40.
WT: 3.0 Size: SMALL
Class: NEC WIZ MAG ENC
Race: ALL

We are not sure whether we need to turn this in to Protector of the Ruins now or not =) Guess there is only one way to find out...
Edited by: Tomwin2003 at: 9/13/03 6:30 am

[EZ_curva2]

what a risk vs reward ...

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

When you turn it in, bring a small force of people incase you have to kill him. Maybe twice as many people as you needed to kill the spider, considering he's level 70ish.

-Drakz

[EZ_Drakz Soulsnacks]

- Double post

Risk vs. Reward, however, isn't that much for someone in elemental planes. Considering all the hours all of us have put into it, this is a decent item if your gear is pre-vt / ssra. I'd definitely give it to the bastard, because he says "Once I have the completed manuscript, I will go through the portals and come back again" implying that he plans on fixing them to work both ways. It might give you something worthwhile. At the very least, it might have utility in the end.

-Drakz Edited by: Drakz Soulsnacks at: 9/13/03 5:55 am

[EZ_Javan Transient]

edit: no drop flag added Edited by: Javan Transient at: 9/13/03 7:51 am

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

Yes it is no drop, lore magic i'll edit the stats on it to reflect.

We plan on bringing a small raid force to the hole in case we either have to fight him, or if he spawns something we have to fight like the veksar dragon quest.

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

We have finished the quest. It involves handing in a piece of flesh from yael for some no drop really nice weapons or a shield, you hand in the weapon for a different weapon or shield 5 in all. so you hae your choice, keep the book for int caster, or hand in for another class, the piece of yael is not no drop. I will post more information about this later.

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

I posted screenshots of all of the items we received in the final part of the quest on our web site.

If you want to see the rewards check out...
www.crimsontalon.com

If you have any questions feel free to msg me at cazic.skylynn in eq.

[EZ_ChantressGemcrafter]

Nice work Tomlynn. Thanks for the help everyone.

Chantress Gemcrafter
65 Enchanter
Crimson Talon on Cazic-Thule

[EZ_Snarky00]

Good Job guys.


the effect on the melee weapons is: http://lucy.fnord.net/spell.html?id=4198&source=Live

[EZ_Cyreldor]

Anyone know what kind of slots these weapons have for augs?

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

None of them had augmentation slots. My guess is that is because you can turn it in for different types or something.

As far as the rewards go. If you are an Int caster, keep the book. If you are doing the quest for another class, turn in the book and hand the disenchanted piece of yael to the person who you are doing the quest for and have them turn that into Echo of Nortlav. He allows you to turn in the items over and over and gives you the different rewards. There is no way of getting the Int caster book back however which was quite a let down for us since the Enchanter is now the owner of a shiny new weapon she cannot use. We have petitioned and are going to try and see if a GM will allow us a one time trade in of the item since no one knew any better.

[EZ_604Marneus604Rogue604]

grats crimsontalon
very nice work

[EZ_Tomwin2003]

I have alot of info on where the stuff drops for this, i need to get on writing up that guide and post it here.

Will be pretty busy the rest of the week and this weekend going out of town, so I may be able to get it together for the beginning of next week or something.

[EZ_Bememan1000]

I got Outcast's page 22 off the cleric mob next to the gaurdian of seal

[EZ_Raladil Trueblade]

Curious, I am trying to put together a comprehensive guide for myself and some guildies, but I have a few questions. First, could we get some locs on the ground-spawn pages? Second, where did you find the piece of yael? Third, once you get both outcast pages from Tani and Stiggle, how do you put them together to become the "restored page 38?" Fourth, could we also get a how-to for the handin part? Fifth, are the pages and/or the combined chapters no drop? Sorry about all the questions, just haven't done a real quest worth my while other than the Crown of the Tempest Guard in a long time . Here is what I have so far below:

Items to get

20 - Ground Spawn – Loc: -14.58, -107.32, -273.76
21 - "An old construct"
22 - "An old construct"
23 - "An old construct"

35 - "An Animated Construct", "An Ancient Construct"
36 - "an ancient gargoyle"
37 - "An Animated Construct"
38 - *Quested, DN + Chardok

50 - "An Animated Construct"
51 - "An Animated Construct" & "A Temple Researcher"
52 - Ground Spawn
53 - "A Temple Researcher"


An Ancient Book Cover – Loc: +445 -355 -110


Combine the 3 sets of 4 pages into Chapters. Then, combine the 3 Chapters plus the Ancient book cover in an Ancient Tome of Research (off the Guardian of the Seal, where Yael used to be).




*How to get page 38 below:


•* * * * Find Pellillo Cogswin (between first castle and the ramp down to next castle, at the very start of the rock tunnels, sitting, looking at the pond). Go through series of hails
1.* * * * what goal
2.* * * * what party
3.* * * * what brothers
4.* * * * what paper
5.* * * * what doubt
6.* * * * what happened
7.* * * * what worried
8.* * * * what favor
•* * * * Get the two notes: Note to “Tani,” and “Note the Stiggle”

Note to Tani: Tani is located in the slave camp. To get to him, take the first drop off from the first bridge. He should be on your left. The historian that he says has the page is inside of the Prince's room. With some luck, you can pull him out and split him. He's a cleric, hits for max 300's, even con level 65. Will give you ‘Outcast’s torn right page.’
* * * *
* * * * Instructions on pulling historian:
1.* * * * Find a rogue. Go to the prince room, and have him wait at the door. It's a nice bonus if he disarms the trap to the main door, too.
2.* * * * Turn in the page. This spawns the historian.
3.* * * * You have to coax the historian out. Agro him, DA and run. The best spot to drag him is down by the gnome you turned the pages into.

Note: No faction hit on historian.

Note to Stiggle: When you give "A Odd Spider" in Dragon Necropolis the note, Stiggle spawns in spider form, he hits for 600 or around there. at 50% he becomes a gnome, at 20% or so like 15 "a tiny clockwork" spwans, hits for 200-250 can be mezzed. Will give you ‘Outcast’s torn left page.’

Hand in order
* * * *
* * * * WORK IN PROGRESS - Need help



Thanks in advance, and congrats on completing the quest
Edited by: Raladil Trueblade at: 9/21/03 7:11 pm

[EZ_muryad]

OK, can someone please tell me where I can find the Protector of the Ruins?

Thanks

Stompz Drag
65th Monky
Tunare Server

[EZ_Phistso Phury]

I cannot seem to locate page 52 (ground spawn) that is outside the old temple. I guess I not quite clear where the old temple is. Is the entrance to it sort-of like a courtyard with a poll off the the side, guards on the walls, undead near the only entrance and one or two wandering ratmen?

I tried to scout the area with my level 1 rogue but it seems they have changed quite a few of the factions there now, and I cannot get past the ratmen or gargs. I think I covered every other square inch of the hole (that isn't locked) and did not come across a tombstone at all. Thanks for your help.

[EZ_muryad]

Page 52 is is one of the graves located in the courtyard of the undead tower where the enchanter and shaman epic mobs are. It is #4 on the EQ atlas Map, also, the LOC is +750, +600. The tower has been substantially upgraded with the patch, there are gargoyles (cannot be mezzed by a 65 chanter) and wondering golem (also cannot be mezzed), also, there are quite a few undead mobs inside. As you enter the courtyard, go to the left, in there are 4 graves total, 2 on the right, 2 on the left, the 2 on the right are broken open, the page is inside the one towards the back. Don't go alone and don't think, you can get in there invis or invis to undead, the golems see thru invis to undead adn the undead see invis. FYI, mobs hit 260ish, the golems and gargoyles can only be partially slowed with disease slow (65 shammy). One time i managed to land Turgurs after the gargoyle was tashd, malos, malosinia, then 4 casts of turgurs. It is easily done with one group of 60+ PCs tho. Good Luck.

[EZ_OerinTrubble]

Most excellent documentation work. This thread is a very fine piece of reading.
Gratz Tomwin.
Although the issue of the portals was left hanging, the other rewards are quite nice.
Are the pages lore? If not we can have one designated collector / researcher and work towards farming enough for a group. If lore it just takes longer and duplicate drops will rot.

[EZ_Naechurman]

I don't think this is related to this quest but, Tomwinn(or any other person who's spent much time in the Hole lately) have you run across a mob that drops The Tome of Miragul? It used to drop from a mob that was taken out with the revamp, and I was wondering what the new mob is that drops it. Thanks.

-Naechurman Edited by: Naechurman at: 10/8/03 4:03 am

[EZ_AGMyles]

I tried to find this info but didn't see it. I am an Ogre SK therefore no research ability. From what I have read, that is needed. Question is, are the pages no drop? Can I gather this stuff? My ench has research skill but don't feel like draggin him all over for the pages. I want the item to turn it back in for the shield for my cleric is what I'm gettin at here.
Thanks

[EZ_Falkahnhan]

First, yes you have to have a int caster loot all the pages.

Second, page 36 or 37 is incorrect on this chart.
Quote:20 - Ground Spawn – Loc: -14.58, -107.32, -273.76
21 - "An old construct"
22 - "An old construct"
23 - "An old construct"

35 - "An Animated Construct", "An Ancient Construct"
36 - "an ancient gargoyle"
37 - "An Animated Construct"
38 - *Quested, DN + Chardok

50 - "An Animated Construct"
51 - "An Animated Construct" & "A Temple Researcher"
52 - Ground Spawn
53 - "A Temple Researcher"
I picked up one of them off of an ancient construct the other day, and the other one is a ground spawn in the hallway down the Jael the Wretched's spawn. I forget the exact loc but it's at one of the switchbacks on a rock that's laying pretty flat, almost like a table

[EZ_FoldarnManabern]

Hmmm.... I'm starting to think that any of the above mobs/spawn locs can spawn any page (except the quested one) but I very well could be wrong. I know some are random, but not sure how many.

[EZ_Falkahnhan]

Quote:20 - Ground Spawn – Loc: -14.58, -107.32, -273.76

This one has always been page 20 for me. The ground spawn I picked up (page 36 or 37) was one that hadn't been mentioned before. If you look on this map...


from www.eqatlas.com

Look at the number 8, and then follow the hallway down on the map to the turn. It spawned there.

EDIT: There was "a broken Gargoyle" standing on top of the rock that the page spawned on, but it was in the turn near 8.

Falkahnhan Edited by: Falkahnhan at: 10/27/03 11:23 pm

[EZ_Spoogy Spitzohr]

uhm, where to combine those pages in? common research container didnt work for me, do i have to combine them in the container from the guardian?

btw does the temple researcher mob drop anything else but pages und the ring? usually the named for the pages drop 2 pieces of loot.
Edited by: Spoogy Spitzohr at: 11/3/03 8:42 am

[EZ_Falkahnhan]

I'm not 100% sure what you combine them in. It's either the book the the Keeper of the Tombs gives you, or the book that the Guardian of the Seal drops.

[EZ_Datalore]

Combine the pages in the book you get by hailing the Protector of the Ruins to get 3 chapters, combine the 3 chapters and the ancient book cover in the book you get from killing the Guardian of the Seal to get the reward.

[EZ_Lewzephyr]

Quote:Well, don't bother with this quest unless you are a pure caster.

I just collected 4 pages to complete a chapter, went to combine and.. it requires a research skill. Unless verant changes this to a no-fail combine, theres nothing we can benefit from this quest, as melee or hybrids. Sorry folks heh.

-Drakz

Hmm... Have read this thread, and I have not seen that any of the pages are listed as No Drop, Could you not gather the pages, and then specificly get a caster (with high research of course) to get the tome to do the combines for you?

As I understand the turn in, give you a dropable item that in turn gets turned in for the related award...

Thanks for your insight

[EZ_Daminy7th]

I am 2 pages away from finishing this quest and so far every piece has been no drop =).

I am doing this quest with my chanter alt. Collecting all the items. Then get the non nodrop piece to give to my monk for the monk weapon.


Daminy
Covenants
7th Hammer

[EZ_Sesie Swiftfeet]

Can anyone tell me if the containers disappear when u do final combined or can a int caster do this quest over for others as well?

[EZ_mistme]

can anyone tell me where the ( An Ancient Guardian ) is that drops the key to Polzin's room im on the last 2 friggin hand in's of my enchanters epic and i cant find a rogue to come open the door for me.. so i need to get the key.. can you please show me on a map.. cause on an earlier post it says deep within the city.. well im right next to polzin's room and i dont see the guardian on track.. thanks in advance

[EZ_Gillious]

Also any news as to where page 52 spawns?

[EZ_armystud]

also got page 21 off an Old Gargoyle recently, so can add that mob to the page dropper list

[EZ_Zoma05]

Hey, I have all the pieces to finish this quest but I am stuck. I can not find Protecter on the ruines. I have a tracker and I have never found him up. Not that it would matter, because I can not find his room, could somebody post the spot on a map or give me an idea on how to get there thanks.

Zoma
Level 65 Necromancer
<Decade>
The Nameless.

[EZ_Zoma05]

Found him

Zoma

[EZ_ddubois]

Can anyone elaborate on the minimum force needed to complete this quest? Can anyone elaborate on the amount of time needed to complete this quest?

I 2box an enchanter and cleric, and have been known to kill some nasty things if a charmable mob is available, but the spider encounter and the golem boss sound like they are well beyond my means. The shield is a decent upgrade for my cleric, and the extended range is a very desirable focus for him, but even so, it sounds like this quest is an extraordinary amount of work just to get some 75/75 loot.

[EZ_Daminy7th]

You can not do this quest with 2 people. GotS, DN part and Chardok part you need at least 1 group, possibly more.

And the rewards for this quest really are not worth the effort.

Force to complete this, I would say one strong group could do it. My guild does GotS with one group and I did both the Chardok and DN part with one group.

Amount of time to complete. Alot. Camping the pages is the worst, sometimes you get lucky sometimes you dont. Think I spent about 20h just camping pages.

Daminy

[EZ_ddubois]

Yeah, I was gung-ho on the focus effect, but in doing some more research I concluded it's vastly superior to just do a bunch of LDoN and purchase a 1492pt 40ac 75/75 shield and a 1150pt extended range type3 aug. You end up with the same item in possibly less time, and acquire charm upgrades and good XP in the process.

[EZ_Demensions01]

needs some solid info on Historian preferably from some one who has A pulled him B tanked him C slowed him . pls