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Draksoon
05-15-04, 07:07 PM
What is the best PvP server and why? any answers appreciated. I mean at the high end level by the way. All aspects, server population, raiding guilds. Amount of PvP. and general excitement. Thanks
Here are my thoughts, as a player on VZ with essentially no playing experience on the other PvP servers (other than some very very low level experience on RZ):
Rallos zek: PvP server in name only. For some reason, players(or guilds) who seek to PvP actively on this server are branded "pkers" and basically made outcasts. I'm not sure if this is as a result of the item loot system (which was made meaningless by LDON), but the net result is that the high end raiding guilds do not fight amongst themselves. RZ probably has the highest server population of the zeks.
Sullon Zek: An interesting (but failed) experiment. After seeing the problems of the PvP team servers(the possibility to be healed against by someone you can't hit), they created Sullon with hard-coded teams. Unfortunately they made it a basically anything goes server, and allowed high level chars to kill lowbies (thus attracing an element that enjoys griefing). As it stands now, only the Evils are EP+, with the other two teams fielding no true *high* end raiding guild. I have heard reports of much training used to roadblock enemy guild progression. The server population on SZ is probably the lowest of the 4 zeks.
Tallon Zek: A lot of PvP here, at the high end, but by reports I have heard it isn't very clean. Pandemonium is the highest end raiding guild and has done just about everything possible to to keep the other guilds well behind it (including borderline or not so borderline griefing). I have noticed where the #2 and #3 guilds on TZ have made some progress toward PoTime, so I can assume that Pande must be spending most of its time in GoD.
Vallon Zek: In my opinion the best PvP server. There is a lot of PvP at the high end with 3 US time zones who are EP level or beyond (one that has beaten Quarm, one just entering PoTime, and one halfway through EP gods) who all KOS each other. There is one PoTime Euro guild which is neutral/allied to one of the US time zone EP guilds and KOS to the other two. Almost all of the time the PvP is clean, especially compared to the stories I have heard from SZ and TZ. The server populations of VZ/TZ are probably pretty similar (less than RZ but a good bit greater than SZ).
Draksoon
05-16-04, 09:49 AM
Thanks. What do you mean exactly when you say the 3 guilds are KOS? Can you talk a bit about PVP? Can you attack anyone within your level range? I dont understand who you can and cannot attack, and when. I was thinking of messing around there when my guild on a blue server has a day off or if I am playing during non raid times.
If you come across an XP grp, can you attack the grp? I have heard that if someone has a mob engaged you cant attack, is that true?
thanks
Thanks. What do you mean exactly when you say the 3 guilds are KOS? Can you talk a bit about PVP? Can you attack anyone within your level range? I dont understand who you can and cannot attack, and when. I was thinking of messing around there when my guild on a blue server has a day off or if I am playing during non raid times.
If you come across an XP grp, can you attack the grp? I have heard that if someone has a mob engaged you cant attack, is that true?
When I say KOS, I mean if those said 3 guilds see each other they will kill each other. If one of those 3 guilds is moving on a mob that one of the other 2 wants they can/will often fight over it. The level range on VZ/TZ is 8 levels (4 on RZ, no limit on SZ other than they have to be L6 I believe) so as long as they aren't on your team you can attack them.
If you are engaged with a mob and someone who wants to PvP you sees you 99% of the time they will wait for the mob to be dead before they engage (at least on VZ: I don't know how often people will attack you with mobs on the other 3 Zeks).
Draksoon
05-16-04, 12:54 PM
What about XP grps and raids. Will AE spells hit the tank as well? Can anyone grp with anyone or does the PvP status prevent this? Are there any situations where PvP is not enabled? ie when you are in a group, or in a certain town? thanks alot.
What about XP grps and raids. Will AE spells hit the tank as well? Can anyone grp with anyone or does the PvP status prevent this? Are there any situations where PvP is not enabled? ie when you are in a group, or in a certain town?
PB Aoe spells will not hit people you could otherwise hit if you are in a group or raid with them. Rain and targeted AOE spells will hit people no matter what (assuming you can otherwise PvP with them). On RZ, VZ, and TZ you can basically group with whoever you like assuming they are willing to group with you. On SZ you can only group with members of your team. Grouping with someone does not prevent PvP, other than what I mentioned about about PB AOE spells. PvP is turned off in the Nexus, Bazaar, PoK, and PoTranq.
Sullon Zek: An interesting (but failed) experiment. After seeing the problems of the PvP team servers(the possibility to be healed against by someone you can't hit), they created Sullon with hard-coded teams. Unfortunately they made it a basically anything goes server, and allowed high level chars to kill lowbies (thus attracing an element that enjoys griefing). As it stands now, only the Evils are EP+, with the other two teams fielding no true *high* end raiding guild. I have heard reports of much training used to roadblock enemy guild progression. The server population on SZ is probably the lowest of the 4 zeks.
As i play on sz myself I felt I had to comment here. First of all, they changed the no rules thing a very long time ago. As of now there is no same team training, scamming, swearing(gms seem to be pretty harsh about it to), or any of the other things that were allowed before. Secondly, while the evil team is the only ones in ep/time, team good and newt ARE making progress. Team newt have recently begun farming Items in GoD, and have beaten 2 of the 4 ikkinz raids. Team good is only in vt atm, but after they are done there i'm sure they will take the same path as the newts did. Anyways i would have to say I like sz and would never change servers. Excellent job on other servers tho.
Is Tides of Wrath still one of the top end newt guilds?
I've played my rogue on Tallon for 4 years now. PvP is the only reason i still play EQ as i would have been bored of bluebie servers years ago. The PvE progress on pvp servers is muc slower as the guilds are expected to solve any problems that arise between them in deciding who gets what mobs/zones/loots through pvp means and survival of the fittest.
The leading guild on the server, Pandemonium, barely made it into PoTime about 6 months ago or so, two expansions had come out since PoP before they made it. The #2 and #3 guilds, Discordia and Indignation, have a standing nonagression alliance invoked only in pvp respects(no alliance or working together in pve at all) to counter the extreme griefing(corpse camping, bind rushing, XP killing, etc) pvp style employed by Pandemonium members. Both Disco and Indig are now 2-3 elemental gods from entering potime themselves. All 3 top guilds include characters from all racial pvp teams.
Top 3 TZ guilds are in time now, Pande still ahead. Regarding Kynder's post, out of the top 3 guilds, Discordia does most of the greifing (from an outsider's point of view)
Hendrix
08-06-04, 10:03 AM
Ive played tz for almsot 3 years now and wut ive seen is , Pandemonium has always been 2 expansions ahead of anyone else.They broke into Time when Disco just killed the Emp.PDM farmed the **** outta PoTime for about 6 months.During that time Disco broke into the Ep's and got closer to PDM,but as soon as GoD came out they were behind once again .Disco/Indig are the biggest bitches you'll ever meet in game .While some of them are cool , most of em are jsut whiners.For example they always say on hteir website "The Gap is Closing!!!", but then you go to the PDM website and see pictures of id say about 20 PDM with no less that 100 disco/indig corpses surrounding them.Disco got to the Rathe council but couldnt kill him casue PDM kept training them all to **** everytime they tried.So eventually they whined enough and got the GM's to make the Rath Council and instanced zone so that they got 1 shot at killing him without PDM training them.Well they may have kicked his ass, but its been maybe 2 months since then and they havent killed one PoTime mob thanks to PDM :). PDM doesnt hate everyone, only isco/Indig .THey like KoTWR casue there the only ones who dont run from them in a PvP war.Im guessin they like incursion or just dont care about them advancing casue they havent been trained once and they are into VT now.