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EZ_Morek the rogue
03-23-04, 02:24 AM
I recently started playing airsoft. For those that dont know what airsoft is, just think of it like paintball with no paint, and the guns look real instead of like storm trooper weapons.
After playing my first game I was addicted, and started looking at buying my own gun. After doing some searching and seeing the gun prices I figured it would be a while before being able to buy my own. Then I came across a great deal, and decided to jump on the chance. Making it to where my first gun was the AK 47 Beta Spetsnaz. Here is where my problem lays.
We play scenario games, meaning its just not go out and shoot each other, but rather have a main objective in each game. (keeps the games a little more tactical rather than just spray and pray) Now because of my geeky D&D, RPG ways I want to have a background for my character, in which this case would be me. I figure since I always had a background for every other character I played, it would make sense to have one for this game. (not to mention, its fun coming up with the stuff while your bored heh) Does anyone happen to know what the AK 47 beta spetsnaz was designed for? Or its origin? I mean its obviously russian, and based off of the origional AK47, but thats all I know. Id just like to know, kinda giving help on the ideas here. I did a few google searches, and mainly just came up with sites that were selling the airsoft version of the gun. A few weeks ago that would have been helpful, but not now haha.
Thanks in advance to anyone that can help.
P.S. Are there anymore airsoft players that read here?
03-23-04, 05:07 AM
I can tell you that the Spetsnaz is an elite Russian military group something akin to the SAS or Navy SEALs.
Historically speaking the AK-47 is a rip-off of the German designed STG 44, a gun that would have replace their Rifles and MP-40 Submachine guns had the war not ended so early.
I am also reasonably sure that it is a model for Airsoft only (there is no real world version).
That aside, the weapon looks like a shortened, possibly submachine gun version of your garden variety AK-47, almost a cross between an AK-47 and an MP5. The MP% is a weapon very popular with specialized police forces like SWAT, and counter-terrorism groups around the world.
A background could include Spetsnaz and counter-terrorist training and operations.
03-23-04, 06:48 AM
Heh, the question on my mind was "Who manufactured your (airsoft) gun?"
Edit: Might try a look at this link... Edited by: Berdusk at: 3/23/04 6:58 am
03-23-04, 10:50 AM
I don't know anything about airsoft, how do you know when you get shot?
03-23-04, 10:56 AM
You feel it. Even the cheep elctric ones that just use a spinning wheel to fire the plastic bb sting when you get hit. Cheap spring powered ones hurt pretty good. I don't want to know what the offical ones feel like. Hell my two desert eagles I rigged to fire fully automaticlly still stung.
03-23-04, 12:56 PM
I play paintball, & obviously you feel those when you get a good hit. Is it obvious when your getting hit, even on padded areas??? Been wondering about that for awhile, since the AS pellets are so small.
An amusing story for you AS players. A friend who supplied our paint for our outlaw PB games had bought a container of AS pellets to shoot out of a grenade launcher he made. Before the game we were standing around talking, & a friend thought that they were little sugar candies, & popped a few into his mouth. Was good stuff.
I live in WV, & I think the tactical ops part of an AS game would be a hoot, but dont hear of anyone around here playing it. Grendl Nighthunter[/b]First Rank AssassinMember : Legacy of the CompanionsBristlebane Server
03-23-04, 01:05 PM
You can tell if you get hit even in the padded spots, but even if you don't, you'll just get shot again and again till you call yourself out.
Airsoft pellets leave pretty decent welts, especially from the more high powered guns.
03-23-04, 01:06 PM
Wow, this is very coincidential! I just placed an order for two spring guns: a UHC m9 and an MP5 SD3. Both are one-@#%$-one-shot type deals, but I plan on getting a tokyo marui fully automatic mp5. Cash is an issue though. The only problem with airsoft is that it relies entirely upon an honor system, as no marks are left like in paintball. I like it more than paintball however because of its realism, both in weaponry, games and tactics.
But to answer your question... I visit an airsoft forum regularly known as www.airsoftretreat.com and from what I have heard, the beta spetznaz is in fact not a real gun. I believe it is an original creation by Tokyo Marui as an assault rifle modification to the ak-47 design. So, basically, you could make up your own background type deal. Since spetznaz is russian though... maybe something to do with that. Shrug.
03-23-04, 03:49 PM
All I can really advise to anyone who gets interested in airsoft due to this thread is to please research the gun you are buying before you make a purchase. There are some really @#%$ knockoffs out there. For the single shot spring pistols, some of the knockoffs aren't too bad at all, but when it comes to the automatic electric guns, it is worth your time and money to make sure you're getting a good gun.
As far as I know, there is a shortened AK47, but it's know as the AKM. I got some books on soviet special forces somewhere, I'll try and find them.
EZ_Morek the rogue
03-24-04, 01:51 AM
As far as knowing when you get hit, its basically an honor system. Yeah, there are those jerks out there that dont call thier hits, but its normally not an issue. If you dont call your hits, you normally arent invited to play anymore. And it is an "unwritten law" that you dont go for head shots unless thats all you have. If you dont call your shots, a few head shots is all it takes for them to wise up normally. We dont have a sanctioned place to play, its just a bunch of guys who have met over the net that get together on saturdays and play. So there isnt really a park or anything, its all done by the honor system and who we let into the games.
For anyone interested, the tactical aspect of it is extremely fun. Throwing in scenarios just makes it that much more fun. Having to rescue a downed pilot with no weapon, or having to "steal" something from a camp brings a lot of excitement rather than just team on team, or capture the flag. There have been some games where I didnt fire a shot. Its just exhilarating to be in the middle of a battle, and have to find cover to change clips on the go. Or to be in the middle of changing clips, and have to "quick draw" your side arm for protection. I know that there are scenario paintball players too, but in comparison this is much much cheaper, and just as fun. Here are some pics of us playing to give an idea of how its a different feel to the standard paintball playing. www.genphlux.net/airsoft (im the big guy in the urban camo heh)
To answer some questions: The full AEG weapons shoot approx 300fps (about the same as your average paintball gun). I have been shot by an upgraded gun that was pushing 375fps and it easily broke skin at fairly close range (~20 feet). When we play, 375fps is the max we allow for AEGs and hand guns, and 400fps for sniper rifles.
As far as padding goes, it can be difficult to tell if you are hit if you are super geared up (a lot of the guys have full tact vests and such), but its normally not an issue. With the weaker guns (electrics and some springers) its almost impossible to feel with any amount of protection on. I only wear BDUs, a t-shirt, and a hood with eye protection and I have been shot with an electric and didnt feel it.
Thanks to those who answered the question about my gun. Appreciate all of the information.
P.S. To Zolden: If money is an issue for buying your AEG, go to www.zorks.com They have a payment plan option that doesnt cost extra (3 month installment of payments to get your gun). Its in the US so you dont have to worry about customs or anything, and the price difference doesnt seem to be that much from the other retailers that dont offer a payment plan. I was going to purchase a gun from them before I ran across the deal to get the AK that I have. They carry Tokyo Mauri and other name brands so the guns arent cheap knock offs at all.
Edited by: Morek the rogue at: 3/24/04 1:56 am
03-24-04, 07:40 AM
Are the guns pneumatic, or what??? Grendl Nighthunter[/b]First Rank AssassinMember : Legacy of the CompanionsBristlebane Server
03-24-04, 09:36 AM
I just wanted to add that the last question may sound stupid, seeing as how its AIR Soft, but you all were talking about electric guns, etc. so I just wanted some clarification. I live in WV, & if the guns arent run off of air, it would be a good replacememtn for PB for me & my friends, since we dont want to invest in nitro, & in the winter its too cold to play with CO2. Also things like saving money on balls... I would hope that airsoft pellets are cheaper.
Thanks for the info! Grendl Nighthunter[/b]First Rank AssassinMember : Legacy of the CompanionsBristlebane Server
03-24-04, 10:44 AM
I like this one D">
EZ_Morek the rogue
03-24-04, 11:38 AM
As far as that last question, it depends on the gun.
Most of the higher end pistols are gas powered. But its not like the tanks you are use to with paintball. They use green gas, or top gas. Each can be bought online, and a can normally lasts around 1000 rounds or so.
The machine guns (the AEGs I was referring to) are electric. AEG is Automatic Electric Gun. They are battery powered, using a 8.4v remote controlled car battery.
That is where airsoft is a lot cheaper than paintball. If you have an AEG, you just recharge the battery before you play, a full battery lasts for about 2 good days of playing, and takes about 4 hours to charge to full.
The ammo in airsoft is a lot cheaper, a bag of 3750 bbs costs about 13 dollars including shipping. I only play once a week, so that many rounds lasts me a while.
Hope these answered your questions.