Okay, im posting this to get some help and real good advise on maxx dps while staying alive. Looking for advise on Discing, running the correct poisons while meleeing. to make a long story short how can i show up on raid parse. i have some t9 gear, i use element of punishment and skulltutor..

here is my magelo so you can see what AAs i desperately need.

''what are the suggested burn technics?"

http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1820048

Any and ALL info is greatly appreciated.

i know i need much better gear but what can i get out of what i do have?

Wow that is a ton of helpful advise...thank you very much Tenstone. Going to work right now!

Change your weapons augs around. however preferable try to get the new 6dmg and 5dmg augs the 4dmg aug is at least better than nothing though. Also get your +bs augs, they arent exspensive from zeb in the void.

As for disc with you probbly want to run rf/tc/third spire/epic as your main burn followed by assasins (use uf bp click here if you have) and pinpoint. Then next epic use fs by itself with epic and pinpoint.

Try to max out some of your mod 2's a couple of them are close to max but not max.

Tenstone seemed to have covered aas. However i would mention you should get twinproc and virelent venom pretty early. With bite those are a decent upgrade in dps not to mention twinpoc procs on massive strikes. Mainly you just need to buy dps aa's your defensive stuff is more than covered now...cept for pe might as well spend 5pts on pe (really should of gotten it ealier).

Curious as to why you would suggest that burn, not arguing just curious why not RF+FS+3rd, leaving TC for a glyph or vet reward near end (if longer then 5 minutes also lets us throw Deadly Prec in early).

I dont use glyphs yet ..but what is FS?

Ok i got the BS augs from zeb ..there was 3 of them. Now ill try for the 6 and 5 dmg augs ..i knwo one drops in Convortem on the top floor. think thats the 5 dmg wher does the 6 dmg one drop?

frenzied stabbing

6-damage = conv
5-damage = underquarry

His main hand is a group weapon and his augs are +2 bs dmg at the most. Fs works better with raid weps that have a higher bs dmg on them. And i dindt even mention 7th or glyphs because looking at his magelo im guessing that he won't be using either.

fair enough, thank you. As a personal feeling I always felt our backstab outweighed every other method for dps and felt FS to be our superior disc regardless. Thanks for your clarification.

This is what I do to top parses in my guild.

The first thing is knowing the proper time to start your attacks, you don't always want to be one of the first to attack just for initial aggro issues.

Ideal burn:

First - SOS and hit your daggerfall ability 15 or so sec before you know you are going to engage so that in the 30 seconds the ability is counting down you know your assault ability will be available.

Second - (pray your sham is competent) While waiting for sham to click Epic (it better be at least 20 seconds after engage) click your Thiefs Eyes for group, Bleed and Twisted Shank.

Third - (as soon as Sham Epic is cast) Click your epic 2.0 (to time Sham epic as well as boost your DPS), Rogues Fury, Envenomed Blades, Third Spire, Pinpoint and Frenzied Stabbing and spam your BS key.

Fourth - As you are spamming BS slide over and click Sleight of Hand ability and click assault. (You should have at least Bite and Quellious poison going as well) also keep applying Bleed and Shank as they pop up.

Fifth - FS should be fading and get ready to click your Assassins and again Spam BS key once dised because you don't want to miss a chance. Reapply Assault.

***Once Assassins is done hit your ESCAPE key. Drop your ass off the top of that hate list. It doesn't cost you anything in DPS and you can watch as your other DPSers start getting splatted (Berz, Wizards, Monks, Rangers)***

Sixth - Now you have a choice. Is the mob going to be alive long enough to at least hit Deadly Precision (5 min refresh) and then a Twisted Chance? If not just blow the Twisted Chance disc in couple with 7th or Glyph or pray the burn is going long enough that Sham Epic (Check your Epic refresh) will be cast again and blow it with that.

All the while spammin your assault, bleed and Shank for that added DOT dmg. This set up has kept me top DPS for a long time (Top 5).

Now please if anything above is wrong please tell me. I always wondered about stacking issues with Sham Epic and certain burn discs but the above cycle has done me very well. Tallon / Vallon poison's have helped push me closer to other DPSers that decimated me; see crysalis (wizard). That man is a god damn DPS GOD.

Seeing as Burn calls are for the last mob of an event, and you live long enough, your end should be empty or close to it. END for us = added DPS so use it all.

The only difference i use is everything above, accept i use TC in place of FS... once TC wears off, i immediately hit FS while normally there's still time left on Shammy epic click.

From there, as you mention, i wait(if possible) for a 2nd Shammy click b4 firing off Assassin's. Only other diff is i hit Sleight of Hand before engage since it lasts awhile

Thats what I use for the most part as well Eldrikrogue. I still need to get the UF damage augs though. I'm using Etched in primary and Mossy in secondary. Still trying to find if the 6dmg in primary is better than the Etched with its 3dm/3backstab.

Im still of the opinion that the 3 BS on Obsidian is still better then the Conv aug. BS (IMO) has the better dmg multiplier then straight attacks. If I remember correctly that was the conclusion on parses run with all dmg augs. For raid situations and burns the more BS dmg you have the better.

HOT would be awesome if they included maybe the same dmg augs as UF but 3BS instead of 2.

Let's ignore dots and procs.

Total Backstab is approximately = to Total MH pierce damage at the moment (most parses, averaged - 33% BS, 33% MH and 33% OH)

Let's say that is with a 36 BS dmg / 72 Piercing weapon
(it's not quite, but its close enough)

so 1 BS dmg is equivalent to 2 Piercing dmg

That would make the 3/3 just about equal to the 5/2 and worse than the 6/2

Your burns are pretty close to mine. I also use an "Absorbing Agent" clickie in combination with Envenomed Blades. The recast time isn't real long, so after that I just click it whenever it pops again. I'm thinking a BP poison click would also stack here, but I don't have one atm. Additionally, I carry an extra BP with "Malign Blade" clickie to use whenever it pops.

Backstab and pierce hits are both linear scaling with damage, although neither will quite go through the 0,0 coordinate due to minimum damage modifiers and +damage adjustments.

So eyeballing it I'd say that 3 piercing damage is > 1 backstab damage. That said, during a burn like frenzied stabbing maybe it's not true. Then again other discs swing it the other way around again. I'd prefer 3dam over 1BS though as it also helps when the mob gets turned (which happens so much in my guild from other melees).

Brog

Quick full burn :

- Sneak hide -> Daggerlunge
- Thief eye
- Envenomed Blade + Sleight of hand (for less aggro)
- Wait for shm epic (and berserker hundred hand effect if available) then -> Third spire AA -> rogue epic clicky -> pinpoint vitals -> Rogue Fury + Frenzied stabbing -> Assassin -> Twisted Chance or Rogue Fury + Twisted Chance -> Assassin -> Frenzied Stabbing.

I myself mostly use the RF+TC combo over RF+FS because the dps is about the same and RF+TC is less position dependant because the backstab dmg part is way lower so if you lag a little or are not sure to have the back of the mob during the 30sec burn it is better.
Moreover this combo is better dps if you use +6/2 dmg aug instead of +3/3 and use glyph (glyph doesnt stack with backstab so the more % of dmg you can do without it the better it is when you glyph).

You can of course add some item clickies to that.

RF contains its own Hundred Hands effect. So really its not going to make a difference there.

And as for anyone running RF with TC, has anyone parsed it with 2nd spire instead of 3rd? Just from the looks of it, it seems like it may be more beneficial since its not a BS (crit) heavy burn.

Not saying I'd switch from FS/RF/3rd, just a thought for those who use TC with RF.

Also, as for Envenomed Blades, does it "compete" for a proc spot with other poisons? Every time I click EB it seems while it procs through the roof, I see a significant drop in other poison procs.

Thanks everyone for the great info..

Also thank you Songsa for the detailed burn technics.. since this i have really noticed a difference in my dps. i havent had a chance to get a parse on these set ups but i can see it in the numbers my weapons are putting out.

Ill keep working on those AAs Tenstone listed and we'll see who kills who in this game haha. Either me die or the mob and my guess is it's going to be the mob!


Thank you all!

If there is anymore info please add im absorbing!

Massive Strike is missing from the class DPS list. And I'd put it right at the top at lvl 85, even above Virulent Venom.

Its probably because i already have it. I think Tenstone was going off my Magelo. The ones he listed are the ones i dont have yet.

:D

yup yup

Assault overwrites 2nd Spire so if you used that combo you would have to go without using Assault while it was running.

I know rf contains hundred hand effect but it lasts 30sec, zerk warcry more than 1 min so it is useful to have it when u full burn for more than 30secs.

Assault / Aggrivated Bloodlust originally overwrote Second Spire. It no longer does such.

Sorry about the RF / Warcry thing, that came out wrong. What I was implying is, there isn't a need to wait for the click if it doesn't come immediately with sham epic. If you get shammy epic first, might as well start the burn because the longer lasting warcry will just add on to the time you've had hundred hands effect running.

Yep of course.

I got the 3 BS augs from Zeb in the Void..is there anymore i can get? my skill damage mod is 75/100 seems im missing 25 extra BS

I have also updated my magelo with equipent, augs and AAs

Im going to stop working on Fundament of Combat and work on Physical Enhancment. As soon as im done with those ill start on Twin Proc and work my way down Tenstones list

http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1820048

I have been camping the Summoner Netikos in Convorteum for the 6 dmg aug but i have had no luck at all.

My plan to top parses is to use that new misdirection/distraction aggro management stuff to pawn aggro off to who ever is beating me on the parses. Guessing at those skill/AA names from the stuff on Lucy, btw.

Anyone in beta, I won't ask for details, but keep that option in mind if you are asked for you opinion on how those should work.

I don't understand the innate stats listing, earthen is different. With gear now days you're at cap even dead so they won't add anything. I put a point into innate stamina on my pally alt just to see if it affected hps any, it doesn't.

So can save those aa points for real stuff.

Laters,

Nothing to see here

Those innate aa's were made when aa's first came out (Luclin), back then 255 was the cap and stam, agi, and resists were impossible to max out without taking a hit on some other stat. They made it possible to max those stats you just couldn't max out even with the greatest raid gear avail (at the time), until the next expansion came out and quickly made them obsolete.

Nowadays they are nothing more then crap that suck people into buying what looks to be a cheap aa. Why they still exist is beyond stupid.

Zeb actually has 5 BS augs (Bored Quartzite) depending on your level of void access.

Minor +6 (void C)
Lesser +8 (void D)
Major +10 (void E)
Greater +12 (void F)
Glowing +14 (void G)

OH dang looks like i need to go back and get F and G thanks a ton for that info.. i need those 2 augs bad! :D

Oh btw, i have gone threw Tower .. am i able to get void F and have G without having to do tower again?

just check the vender

Just curious myself, as to what:

General DPS:
Innate str,dex
Earthen str, dex

General Survival:
Innate sta, agi
Earthen sta, agi

Would help out with, as if you have max stats , and are well oevr the cap, wouldn't they Be inneffective? I'm not too sure on how that stuff works so figured i would ask..

The aas that start with Earthen, will raise your stat cap by 5 each.

Innates raise your base... pretty useless. Earthen is good when you've got everything else.

I've updated my magelo..i am one part away from void F and hoping the void G will already be there since i've been threw all of tower. once i get void completed ill get the 2 last BS augs from zeb and that will be done. I got myself a parser and the best i parsed on one mob in convorteum was right at 450k dmg without sham clicky. i think im on the right track. anyone able to give their parse from convorteum mobs? so i can have something to judge it by?

Unless I'm misreading it, you have quoted a total damage (450k dmg) which is not a measure of your DPS (damage per second).

Measuring DPS over a single mob (assuming it is not a parse / dummy) is grossly inaccurate. You need to be looking at minutes of parsing (minimum of probably 3 minutes on a single mob for burst DPS) and more than 10 minutes for sustained DPS.

You could also quote your average DPS say over a hundred mobs in the course of a few hours of group killing.

Try and provide some context for your numbers rather than just say "I did 4783 DPS". If you want serious discussion or responses you would need to include weapons used and buffs you had, any poisons, who else was in the group, etc.