Sony has forgotten the zek servers and us rogues that dwell within.
Necros can tank you and chain lifetap at the same time. Druids can tank you while dots/nuke pour in all the while compleet healing.wizards can stun you and nuke the crap out of you before you are unstunned. Monks can epic click stun you and innerflame you ( pretty much sure death) End game pvp for us has become a joke. The only chance we have of us comming close to winning is by landing a lucky critical daggerfall before anyone knows were even close ( which NEVER happens.) I say this to the sony devs........wtf are you thinking? do you honestlly hate rogues?

Honestly, has it ever been different? Rogues never were a pvp class... of course it could only get worse from where we were in the past.

EQ PvP is dead - and has been dead for several years.

the easy fix for rogues in pvp would be to make sos work vs players now before ya scream over powered lets look at

run 8
monks stun
ranger druid snare (don)
DT
LB
HT
mez
selo
insta horse
bow kiteing

i bet im even missing some .......so let throw the rogues a BONE give us SoS to players ...overpowered perhaps a tad but then again when was pvp ever balanced

Wildd Thang
70 rogue Zek
officer PDM

Yeah it has been differant, us pvp rogues used to be able to totattly rape any silk class. Monks were a little tougher but at least they were killable.

PVP is NOT dead, its very much alive and thriving on Zek. Wildd and i live it every day. We are in enemy guilds so we fight each other dailly.
And yes Wildd i agree, throw us a bone give us enhanced SoS so we can use daggerfall teh way it was ment to be used.............TO ASSASSINATE poor unlucky unsuspecting people.

They speak the truth!

Good quality group pvp class, still.

ShadowCross wrote:

"Honestly, has it ever been different? Rogues never were a pvp class"

Yes we were: we were in Kunark and before.
Rogues could solo pvp.
I can’t imagine how many people I have killed using two serrated bone dirks at around level 30. Once the snare would proc (it barely got resisted) I was almost sure of the kill (gate, or shadow step then gate could still save their lives).
Not a lot of people had see invis back then, so the rogues could really be rogues. On the high end game rogues rocked (I remember a lot of fights back in Chardok on Tallon Zek). When the ragebringer came we were on top of that pvp food chain. Primal weaponry made it insane aswell.

Rogues were even better in duo or group pvp.
I duo’d with a ranger all the time. He would sow me and chain snare our enemies so I could get my maximum dps out.

When Luclin came and all the expansions after that everything got messed up and rogues are not considered a good pvp class no more.

Only way to pvp now as a rogue is solid group pvp. Make sure your team can snare somehow and you can still get a lot of kills.

Since pve are the majority of the players, they will balance pve servers and leave pvp where it is. Every expansion every class hopes for some balanced pve thing that would unbalance pvp in their fortune :-P

Kasha, Zek rogue

Aye, rogues were indeed viable in PvP. Even entirely all Barbarian guilds (then only limited to Rogue, Shaman and Warrior) had fun.

Nice to see some Zek's around, former Vallon Zek rogue here, I might even have old school pumice still in my bank

Due to drastically reduced play time I'm now only on a Blue server to play with real life friends. Keep fighting the good fight!

Sony has never cared about the Zek servers, the LDoN expansion is proof of that when it basically put an end to the ability to loot gear. The combination of the Zek servers has revived mass PvP but the points system is basically flawed. The only reliable way to solo pvp against truly high end characters as a rogue is to find someone whose attention is distracted and pray that you can drop daggerfall and duelist before they know you are there. And then that you can deal enough damage fast enough to get the kill. Statistically the odds are against that. You'll be noticed by a group member, and be fighting off solid groups of people able to slay you once your under 50% with but a button push before more often than not. HT, LB, MB, Stun/Monk DD

The only truly reliable kills are against the PoP or worse geared people or solo against people that are soloing in some out of the way zone and don't expect your attack while they are engaged on a mob.

Sony needs to seriously consider implimenting SoS against players. The only people to be able to see SoS should be other SoS rogues. It would increase our demand and raise our ability to solo pvp.

We don't get Harm Touch, We don't have Life Burn, nor Mana Burn. We can't run down a monk, or out run them if they are stunning us. We can't snare anyone reliably anymore. I'd love for Sony to come out and say just exactly what benefits rogues get in PvP. We're close to the bottom of the barrel. I'm sure some of my fellow rogues and perhaps even guildmates will disagree with this statement. But honestly, PvP is way out of balance when it comes to us rogues. Allow us the ability to be rogues in PvP.

Hell PvP for us solo style is like trying to bail out the ocean with a teaspoon. You make some progress after awhile, but you don't make any real headway.

/bump

Give us SoS vs Players!!!
Make the high level mez land more in pvp, and last longer than a single tick.
Take the mez and disc stab off the same timer.

Not that Sony pays us ANY attention here. But still! Grassroots support!!

Hell Bring back corpse looting and give us coin loot too!

I beat the Necro Class rep (Sauruman) in a duel... given both of us were raid buffed... I just ignored his 2.0 pet and chased him down... he couldnt get anything to land on me (my lowest resist was in the 380's at the time - plus I have the T5 DoN reward).... not much he could do except run and when he tried to cast on me I'd catch him and just beat the snot outta him. I think he said that the only thing he could land on me was Lifetaps... but they didnt help >=)

pvp isnt a duel top red necros would have ya for lunch .....not bashing ya just the way it is

Wildd Thang
70 rogue Zek
officer PDM

They had a fun little arena event on Drinal a couple months ago. It was an all out arena battle royale.

Now, to clarify, my personal opinion of duels and pvp is....if I wanted to do that, i'd go play half life. But, I figgered...5 others from the guild are going (top guild on the server) so we'll cooperate and I'll actually live a while.

Starts off..40ish peeps running around...mass confusion..we all go after the one bard in the event first, naturally. Me and my guildies were kinda hanging around the sidelines, watching everyone else slaughter each other. I think the only person I really went after and was able to kill by myself was a Mage.

When it was down to 6 people left, it was all Cats in Hats...a monk, druid, rogue, warrior, beastlord, and ranger. In that kind of company, you know who died first...

6. rogue
5. warrior
4. monk (everyone ganged up on him, cuz monk stuns in pvp are crazy)
3. ranger
2. beastlord
1. druid

I think I was the only rogue there, and I think I only had the kill stroke on maybe 5 or 6 of the people...when it got down to just the 6 guildies, and we started attacking each other, it wasn't even close. Rogues are HORRIBLE at one on one pvp. To be honest, even if I had been invisible to the other players, I still woulda got slaughtered.

dammit man you shoulda shot me a tell I woulda come kick your ass too

I moelogged to morden (now povar) after playing awhile when zek was created. i was from Tallon Zek with Wildd (pande!!!! $#%^), but after watching a necro just tank me straight up i quit EQ for about a year and a half.

I came back on povar and bluebie life is fun but doesn't give me the same thrill..........but knowing you can't kill anyone unless they are really under geared sucks ass.

Are you talking about 'Shanks' ?

As an old school (started when Kurnark was released) halfling druid, the Shanks used to scare the poop outa me. I loved the fact that they were such a 'pure' guild, Barb only. I can still remember the fear when you did a /who and saw that there were Shanks in the zone......

I also remember when i finally got higher level and once saw a lone shank in a zone and kicked his sorry butt!
<grin>

Have one question. (I do agree that something needs to be done for rogues on pvp, my ranger brother laughing while beating on mesucks....for god's sake, A RANGER!) Anyways, if soe gave us SoS vs players, would it only be on PvP servers, or would it be an ability that can be turned on/off? I do alot of guiding in groups and such, and when they don't have see invis, it makes it 100 times worse.......would hate to try it all the time. How would you recommend that being solved?

That I can't advise you on. I use my Leadership AA to mark my path as I go. mark 1,2,3. And leadership AAs find path to PC would still work. They could follow you.

There are still a few active pvp rogues on Zek (aside from dreamroamerhax) that do quite well in 1 on 1 pvp. But yes for the most part it works much better in groups, as it should, being that rogues are a class that is designed to do the most dmg from behind a target it would only make sense that the target be occupied with other targets. That is probably why rogues are so fierce in mass pvp. I took a rogue with tacvi dagger & qvic sword and qvic/dod gear delvl'd him to 65 and have quite a lot of fun pvping with him. Have won fights while being out numbered 3 to 1. But when it comes to high end lvl 70 pvp I'll take my ranger any day tyvm

Hi Wildd!! Long time no see. Ive been playing WOW for the past year due to the fact that EQ rogues are garbage in PVP, and for the fact the EQ pvp is garbage in general. In WOW rogues get stealth at lvl 1. This stealth makes you totally invisible to mobs and players alike, so it is in fact the Improved SOS youre asking for. It makes rogues feared, but not overpowered. It allows rogues to be rogues, nothing more. I had alot of fun on zek but once I tried WOW there is just no comparison in regards to pvp, and especially pvp for rogues.

id love sos for pvp good to hear your haveing fun as a rogue on wow drak

Wildd Thang
70 rogue Zek
officer PDM

Zek still fun server for EQ , you have more choices to get fun pvp or PvE but there allways ppl and guilds ruining the fun of a true players vs players good fight.

See this SK from Pandemonium , yeah Wildd guild, using Ancient Longhandled Frostreaver

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 2H Slashing Atk Delay: 32
DMG: 192 Dmg Bonus: 44 AC: 125
STR: +30 DEX: +100 STA: +20 WIS: +10 AGI: +20 HP: +350 MANA: +250
SV FIRE: +20 SV COLD: +20 SV MAGIC: +20
WT: 12.0 Size: LARGE
Class: WAR PAL SHD BER
Race: ALL except ERU ELF HIE DEF HEF

Thats from Dain mission, he managed to take out and use in pvp hiting for 3k a pop non-critical







If something need to be fixed in zek, wildd, is your guild actitude


Long life to EQ

Saying people hack on zek is like saying the sky is blue.

HOLY CRAP! The sky's blue?! Being's as I'm so low to the ground *to be read as Gnome* It takes too much time and effort to look up.

I ran into this guy once in PoK. I asked him about it and even stalked him with bots rofl... Never saw him use it once.... I just want to see if it's real lol. On a side note, he's pretty decent geared with or without that thing it seems.. Rofl.. He ate up a group in WoS, and chased ASD out of the zone.
I don't know if he has since gotten rid of it, or what but he kept saying he didnt have a link

The story I heard was...

He was in the mission, somehow destroyed it, and petitioned to get it back. GM came on hours later and said "Sorry about that, here is your axe back." after he was out of the mission. This was before he server transfered. That pic also looks like it was taken before he apped to Wildd's guild. And I "heard" the he was asked to get rid of it before he could app.

that sk isnt in my guild ( not 100% sure if he is in app guild guild i dont have a char in there to check)but if ya have any complaints with some one and they are an app send a tell to ariauna or egras

Well this guy have at least 3 weeks raiding with PDM in DP , rare you as a officer didnt notice hin but all server noticed

What about this other SK Thules from you guild , hitting for 1500sh with 1HS with a Sword of Truth from seru class: None Race: None




Sword of Truth
LORE ITEM NO TRADE MAGIC ITEM
Weight: 0.1 Size: LARGE
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Delay: 45 Damage: 75
AC: +100 Str: +50 Dex: +50 Sta: +50 Cha: +50 Wis: +50 Int: +50 Agi: +50 Fire Resist: +50 Disease Resist: +50 Cold Resist: +50 Magic Resist: +50 Poison Resist: +50 Mana: +100
Additional Modifiers:
1H Slashing: +100%
Bane DMG: Humanoid: +50
Cold DMG: +25
Weapon Skill: One Hand Slash
Classes: None
Race: None

This is a old PDM pvping with this toy , wonder how he managed to equip this weapon

Grats on posting a Screenshot made by someone that was banned on zek for hacking.

And btw if you can't tell that SS was completely tailored.

Granted it was such a great SS to begin with.

I sense that someone doesn't enjoy getting their ass beat on Zek, though....

by 'hackers' lol

yes he is in app guild ...yes i wasnt 100% sure at time ..its the not like i said he wasnt and i did give the info on who to contact

after 6 years in guild many apps have come and gone and no i dont know em all so bite me

as for fake ss lol you could show a ss of em with an uzi id be like dam i want an uzi

Wildd Thang
71 (bite me thules) rouge Zek
officer PDM

no offence to apps i dont know at every moment (if they piss me off ill remember em tho)

if my answers offend anyone id like to take this time to invite them tho have intercouse with thier selfs at this time

grats on spelling "gaining" correctly retard ;P (might want to correct that)

I mean, excellent post officer Wildd!

oh, i'm not an app anymore, I only talk like one in /gu


Luv
Thules


PS> Wildd send me the hack to use an uzi in game

u need pants for an uzi :(

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SOS, is indeed intended to not be seen through with pc see invis.

Regular sneak and hide should be seen through though.

If you are talking about seeing yourself when using SOS or sneak, hide of sneak/hide...that is known and we will be making it so you can see yourself, I'm not sure when this change will be made.

Kytherea ~~wielding a giant hammer & a hairless War Hamster~~

"I'm late, I'm late...."

wtb: zerker style snare for rogues (lig slice is crap compaired to zerker snares), sos that works, triple attack (wth seriously), run7 or more (we are a scouting class hello thats our job),

something needs to be done about the 40% of total hp nuke crap. 40 % isnt saveing me from death its prolonging it another 3 sec or less while the spell refreshes. either tune all spells for pvp or give everyone mob type hps to deal with 30k crit nukes. a caster needs to be viable in pve fine w/e. im sorry but im not a mob and i dont have mob hp. i shouldnt be getting blown up like a lvl 40 one.

as we all know SoE doesnt give a crap about pvp. pvp was added as an afterthought. it was never tuned or properly addressed. it was fun to see how broken things could get. then came class balanceing and later pvp points system. all of which broke pvp even more. junk the points system completely and tune every spell to have its own pvp properties whether its resist mods or dmg changes every spell needs to be looked at. im sick of lvl 5 root landing, im sick of dieing in 3 nukes, im sick of getting snared by another melee class when i cant snare anything (por trap sux and so doe lig slice). just take a couple devs and look at how retarded pvp is and fix it ffs. we are paying the same $$ to play on zek. cant we expect to have our problems addressed too?

Dude, you just need a pumice stone.