So one of the things that just continues to gall me about this game is the sheer disrespect players in this game have. So last night I am doing a little power leveling for my wife since she is close enough in level to get in the lowest tier Cata dungeons. Now while I am not a raider, I have fairly good gear for my level and can basically solo these dungeons with exception to the bosses. In the case of the bosses, they die to fast that the mechanics become an irrelevant issue. I am a mage just for the record.

So we queue up and end up in the first dungeon. Now since my wife and I have done this more than a few times, we basically zone in and I take off and instantly begin destroying anything that moves. After a few minutes of this I get a tell from the healer demanding that I stop pulling and let the tank do his job. Now mind you at this time I have 150k hps..the tank has....50k. Also I haven't needed a single heal at this point. So I inform the healer that I am there power leveling them and just to throw me the odd heal. Said healer continues to get snippy and demand I let the tank do it. At this point I am a little irritated because the notion of telling someone who is essentially doing you a favor to stop is laughable. So I tell the healer that he neds to take a look at my hps vs the tank and realize that we can do this the fast way or take all night. Healer replies, well I don't care how long it takes I want the tank to tank. At this point I am beyond annoyed as this person just doesn't get it. So I just flat out ignore him and continue on. A few minutes later I notice that both the healer and tank are way behind and just sitting there. So now I am rather pissed off and basically tell them to stop being bleeding pussies and to get their asses up with the group or to ****ing leave. I also note at this time that they are in the same guild. So we finish the dungeon with the healer and tank moaning the rest of the time.

Ok so I chalk this one up to a couple of whiners who were mad that I didn't let them "play the game" and we requeued up. So we get in another dungeon and I begin the same thing. Now in this one the healer doesn't say anything and we decimate everything up too the second boss. This happens to be a boss that has some mechanics, but my dps is such that it just doesn't matter. So the healer goes, do you all know this fight? I just reply yes, just kill it. In short boss is dead before the mechanics even become an issue. However this doesn't stop the healer from raging about us not doing the fight right and we are all noobs and are going to fail the dungeron.... really dude? seriously? You do realize I am power leveling you and the reason the mechanics were not followed is BECAUSE IT ****ING DIED IN 20 SECONDS? Well he didn't care and rage quit. So I just said **** it and blew up the rest of the dungeon without a healer just using mirror image and such.

So that brings me to my point. What the **** is wrong with wow players? In Every single ****ing game I have ever played, people were grateful to someone power leveling them. This was especially true in FFXI when I used to take my white mage into the plvl areas and just pick a random group and plvl the **** out of them for a while. Not just FFXI though, any game I have ever played except ****ing wow players were always grateful. I mean ****ing really? You are going to bitch because I am not letting your tank who has shittier gear than the hunter and less hps tank? You are bitching because you are getting a dungeon run done in 20 minutes vs an hour? You are bitching because why? Then we have the other ****ing tard who wants to whine because we didn't follow the boss script and **** just died? Why the **** do you even care you stupid asshat? Did it die? yes, Did anyone die? no..Then Who ****ing CARES about the ****ing script. I swear to god, some people are so stupidly ungrateful it is ****ing pathetic. Honestly I wouldn't even bother with the ****ing queue if there wasn't so much damn running around otherwise. One would think people would be ****ing happy to have someone just blow them through the dungeon quickly with no chance of wipes..but Nooo they have to piss and moan and act like spoiled brats.

Jesus ****, what is wrong with WoW players?

Did you ever come to think that maybe that tank & healer wanted to train tanking / healing?

Honestly, to me, this rant sounds like YOU are the one being ignorant and just doing what YOU want without trying to play along nice with the others. Because you decide they have to follow your lead, they aren't allowed to "play the game"?

People might be grateful to be powerleveled when they are asked about it upfront. NOT when they might actually want to learn how to play/do instances.

Yea man, did you even ask?

Look, if you are level 81 and haven't figured that part out that isn't my problem. No I didn't ask because I have never in years of doing this and different games run across a single person that complained. This is the only game I have ever found where players are ungrateful little pricks. I should clarify though, 3 of the people in the group are in my guild. I was power leveling my wife in addition to someone else from the guild. Long story short, if you are in the random dungeon queue you are only there to get loot and exp not to learn how to play the game at that point.

*in your opinion.

If you are level 80+ and don't know how to play the game or your class, you are terrible. That isn't opinion, that is fact.

No it's still opinion. Maybe they were trying to refine their techniques. The day you think you are so über that you can't learn to be better is the day you turned into "that guy".

And yes, some people actually LIKE to play a game instead of being drug through it.

I think going into a randomly generated PUG the expectation should be that you will play the baseline game. You were the one off the norm, basically making up local table rules without discussing them with the group first.

I can see the merits to both sides here but the one question is - why didn't they just say "We don't want to be power leveled" and that would have eliminated all other problems.

I'll be honest - if you get into a PUG where one of the people is 10+ levels about the instance, you really should recognize what is going on. Certainly would have been better if Tivia said up front "Im PL two guildies, if that ain't your cup of joe, **** off" but the other players reactions were a little ridiculous also.

TL;DR - Its everyone's fault.

/voted

Who said anything about not being able to learn? I wasn't even getting into that, I was talking about the basics. There is little worth refining at that level in that game.


Fair enough, but like I said. I have never in all my years run into anyone who was against a little power leveling here and there. This is really a small example of a growing irritation with the player base in this game and the complete lack of gratefulness for anything.

While I can see where your coming from, wanting everything to go as quickly as possible, it does seem like (or would seem like, if I were in the group with you) there was a little elitism on your end.

At that point I don't think it's about them being ungrateful and disrespectful, it's about them not liking another 85 running through those dungeons telling them what to do and how it is going to go down.

If I am honest, I constantly run the low 80s dungeons for JP on my priest (I need to finish all the heirlooms) and I can tell you with certainty that there will be packs of mobs or certain boss fights that your mage can't just stand and tank. Essentially this could mean the lower level healer throwing out spot heals that eventually don't cut it, and plowing HPS into your comparatively large healthbar when you do go down like a wet noodle which amps their threat to a considerable amount so that after you go down, they follow and then boom... group wipe. While that might be an extreme hypothetical, it is entirely easier to just ask the tank at the beginning of the run to pull quickly because you are going to be decimating the mobs. Granted you will be peeling them off him constantly, but they'll typically be dead by that point.

All that being said, you are going to run into quite a few douchebags running randoms. Run with people you know (hell, I'll heal for you anytime you'd like) because you get all sorts of crazies. My priest is raid geared and I had someone in a Halls of Origination run ragequit after constantly bothering me to stop dpsing and "start being an actual ****ing healer". I was atonement healing by just spamming my smite key on ****. There was never a single time anyone dropped below like 90%, he was just pissy because my dps numbers were higher than his. Of course they are, I'm 85 in ridiculous gear and you are 84, calm down buddy... none of this even matters.

I can understand people wanting to actually play the game.

But it is an MMO. It's grindy. You are gonna be running these same dungeons a million times. A situation like this I take as a nice change. If you want to actually play the way intended or work on your technique, it's easy to re-queue after blasting through the dungeon.

Since the scroll of res. was brought in its perfectly plausible for someone to be 80+ and not know what they are doing.

Having FFXI in addition to the ones everyone else has played....WoW is one of the few that power leveling isn't nearly as awesome as it has been in other games. Partly because of the mechanics, and partly because xp isn't exactly hard to get, nor is gear. It's all pretty well mapped out.

It's not like EQ where you could make a weeks worth of XP in an hour with someone power leveling you, or get a chance at loot you'd have NO freaking chance of putting together a group to get on your own.

So while I appreciate that there's the quick, efficient way to do things and you've got the experience to know you're doing them a favor...for all you know you ruined some other husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend, friend/friend team's fun.

Ok so the tank and healer are not happy about being powerleveled. Look for the exit, form their own group, and do it the way they want, they got the foundation right there for a new group.

There is an off button to this situation and a quick remedy.

Ragnerokk

Couldn't they just have explained that they wanted to learn/whatever, and politely ask to be kicked from the group and re-queue?

And I'm glad that people want to learn how to play and teach others - as opposed to the days of multiple newbs everywhere - but expand your critical thinking a bit folks. I say this because of your example of the one complaining that you weren't doing the encounter correctly.

I quit WoW a while ago, but tried out the trial when it went infinite playtime up to level 20 so I could see how much druids have change. Got a feral up to 20 and had gotten all the best gear and was having fun just going through dungeons, then got into a Ragefire Chasm group as tank and was blasting through the initial mobs in catform. Got a lecture on how you use bear for tanking and I need to learn how to play. /giggle If I am keeping aggro and healing myself, why does it matter buddy?

Always learn the rules... then learn how to break them.

There are a number of things that could of happened in the first group. As I said, I was mostly polite at first until the healer started getting snippy. Basically demanding that I stop doing what I am doing while standing in the middle of a pile of corpses that they didn't have to hardly lift a finger is rather inane. Had they asked to be kicked so they didn't get the deserter penalty I would of gladly obliged. It became an issue due to the sheer amount of attitude. I don't believe I came across as elitist, hell I don't even raid or have raid gear in this game just top level group gear. I just made the comment, I am plvling you sit back and enjoy the ride. It escalated after they continued to moan about allowing the tank to tank when the reality was he couldn't of taken hate off me had he tried but at the same time nothing was stopping him from running ahead and pulling.

Now the second guy was just a straight up douchebag. I mean seriously? the boss dies in mere seconds, no one dies and you are going to throw a tantrum that I ignored mechanics? Now concerning the one comment about there being things I can't tank, I am well aware. As I said, I am familiar with the 2 specific dungeons we are grinding due to her ilvl and these are about the only two I would do this in. One more step above this and it goes back to controlling my hate so I don't get rolled like a wet paper bag in a fight with a freight train. I well know my limitations.

Now I said this was really part of a larger irritation and that is true. The thing that really bugs me about this game is that I almost never run into anyone who is thankful for anything. Everyone just pisses and moans about everything and it starts to get on your nerves after a while. Oh and believe me, if I had a perma healer/tank it would be great. The one we had for the longest time got burnt out and retired again. Which is particularly annoying because I only rolled a mage because they asked, otherwise I would of rolled a rogue.

I think the issue with the community in WoW (and also other newer MMORPGs) as compared to EQ is simple:

Only playing in Guild groups or random groups that are thrown together by the game/servers/UI can never create that involvement into the community that grouping/grinding/exping in EQ has created.

In EQ, you'd spend hours playing in the same group, you had downtime while waiting for the spawns, you chatted, you got to know the others.. black sheeps could be sorted out by the community... you actually got to know the other players on your server. etc..

Stuff like that is just not happening in WoW or other new MMORPGs.. mostly because the requirements/conditions for it happening have been "dumbed down" by the game mechanics.

That and the experience of meeting people and cooperating really only shines at the raid level anymore. It's no longer novel to be playing with people from halfway around the world.

Also, people aren't committing more than 2 hours to group play outside of raids either. If it's going longer than that, it's a fail in most people's eyes.

I guess I stole some guy`s Child of Tortolla today so he followed me around grabbing them all while going on about how "payback`s a bitch", so I naturally mocked him until he said he was done with my "gay ass". Unfortunately my retort of how he`s probably never done with gay ass wasn`t heard, as he put me on ignore. So I reported him for hate language instead haha

Yes though, WoW players are super annoying.

Heh. If I signed up to tank or heal a dungeon and some high level comes in, takes my job, and tells me to 'sit back and enjoy the ride' I'd be very annoyed too, not grateful.
I sign up to play, not to watch someone else play.

I started playing Allods Online recently - it's one of the free to play MMOs out there. Only two US servers.

It's quite a shock how tightly knit the community is after playing WoW. I consistently run into the same people while questing and doing dungeons, and get random tells to join a group because they remembered my healing from lower levels. They even have GMs come visit the players in person and so special events.

So reminds me of old school EQ.