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Droog_RN
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Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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I don't have either AA yet - I never bought double riposte because I'm still catching up on basic DPS/survivability AA's, and I only managed to bank 5 pts before SoF launched.

However, I've been 3 boxing more and more lately (rogue as tank), and I'm wondering if these 2 will stack (up to 2 full damage backstabs on a riposte). If so, that could be pretty potent. Anyone know for sure?


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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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The work independent of each other.


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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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Sorry, what does that mean exactly?

KRS can fire on ANY riposte, even the second stab of a double riposte?

Or...

When you riposte, -either- KRS -or- Double Riposte -or- neither will fire?


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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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it should fire on any riposte double or not i think thats the idea to make us slightly less dependant on the backarc. more hits for more giving better dps from any angle


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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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I don't really see how this will work well to eliminate our arc dependency. Riposte comes into play largely when tanking. If we're attacking from the front of a mob, and not the focus, the only time we'll ripo, is off of a ripo. I cant imagine the numbers of that being high enough to really peel us off the back of a mob.

I have a feeling this is put in place so we can semi effectively tank/duo, and/or farm low level crap, say for trade skills.


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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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I don't really see how this will work well to eliminate our arc dependency. Riposte comes into play largely when tanking. If we're attacking from the front of a mob, and not the focus, the only time we'll ripo, is off of a ripo. I cant imagine the numbers of that being high enough to really peel us off the back of a mob.

I have a feeling this is put in place so we can semi effectively tank/duo, and/or farm low level crap, say for trade skills.
thats exactly what we're saying brudda man. haha maybe you're confused as to what removing some backarc dependencies means. knaves wont remove back arc dependencies nothing will short of giving us aas that make our backstabs work exactly same in front as in back which would be retarded imo. but, it will help a little bit. i see ripostes offa ae ramps and enrage so no matter what its gonna help dps some. also mobs turn sometimes without it being noticed, so theres another chance of this coming into play. yes it will majorly help duo's and solos will also help us pull 1k grey mobs and watch them all die in a few combat rounds *cheese* please dont taake any of this as a personal attack i just think you where a bit confused


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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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I have every idea what it means to remove the backarc dependency.

Reread what you wrote here, and please explain what you were trying to get across, other then the fact that you believe KRS can fire off of any riposte.

it should fire on any riposte double or not i think thats the idea to make us slightly less dependant on the backarc. more hits for more giving better dps from any angle
Frankly, the DPS granted from a KRS hit will be a drop in the bucket. Say your mob is ramping once every...20 seconds, and you hit for a 2k KRS every 3rd ramp, your talking...33.3~ dps. I am willing to bet that statistically that's going to be smaller then the window of statistical anomaly for that fight.


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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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ok as long as we're all clear on this. ( i post alot right after i wake up just so you know haha) you're right it will be a drop in the bucket but lets say you use every drop they give us thats a whole half bucket more. i can live with 100 more dps, on occasion a little more, from an aa or 2


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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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rewired said:
Say your mob is ramping once every...20 seconds, and you hit for a 2k KRS every 3rd ramp, your talking...33.3~ dps. I am willing to bet that statistically that's going to be smaller then the window of statistical anomaly for that fight.
I'm not going to say that it will make a big difference... but many of the mobs my guild hits AE Ramp like mad. Probbaly as much as 1 per 5 sec. And each Wild ramp you are in range for will be as many as 4 attacks and a bash... so that adds up to alot of ripostes in a long fight.


EDIT:

I'd still like to know if anyone out there who has both of these AAs has seen KRS fire a double backstab on a double riposte.



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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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I've got both, and no, I have not seen it happen yet.



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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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Not to sound silly, but this line in the disc description befuddled me:
"Additional ranks increase the chance of a riposte with a kick"

Does this mean it increases our chance of riposting with a backstab when the MOB kicks? or Does it mean it increases our chance of riposting WITH a kick (which rogues do not get hence this would have to be a typo)?


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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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What you really want is KRS along with the AAs to raise the level cap on Assasinate. Much soloing fun can be had.


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Re: Knave's Return Strike + Double Riposte
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Bors said:
What you really want is KRS along with the AAs to raise the level cap on Assasinate. Much soloing fun can be had.
Now i like that idea! /grins evilly





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