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Dell 2408WFP 24" S-PVA LCD Monitor
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So, I've posted about this monitor in my computer build thread as it seems to have just about everything that I want. Just thought I'd make a thread in case anyone else wanted to check it out.

It's finally available for purchase from Dell for $699.00. I was able to get 20% off on it through my company discount

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=320-6272

I'll let you know how I like it and whether or not I keep it or if there's any problems with it.

There's been some initial test reports on HardOCP as someone has already received one:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1276368

All signs point to it being an awesome monitor. And the big awesome thing is that it's not a TN panel! Yay!



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Re: Dell 2408WFP 24" S-PVA LCD Monitor
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I've never understood some people's immediate dismissal of a monitor for having a TN panel. The colour reproduction of TN panels should be perfectly acceptable to most users, the viewing angle of a TN panel is acceptable since it'll be sitting right in front of you, and a TN panel can actually be advantageous for games due to its normally fast pixel response times. Add that they're cheap so TN monitors offer good value for your money.

While S-PVA screens are overall better than TN screens, TN panels can provide users with good value and acceptable visual quality.


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That's cool, maybe you just can't see the same problems or aren't annoyed by the same problems I am.

I'll take an ever so slight minute delay in reaction time for games in exchange for pristine color tone from most angles along with all the video inputs on this baby.

See, I'm very into photography and video encoding. I need to be able to see colors evenly and from quite a few angles (i.e. if I am leaning back, slumping, leaning forward, standing, etc..)

I can't get that with a TN panel. I don't like to have to be at one exact point of view constantly to be able to see consistent colors and contrast on my monitor.

While you say that color representation should be acceptable for most users, I am clearly not one of those "most users". As I said this will be my first purchase ever of an LCD panel because as of yet I hadn't seen anything that would meet my needs and quality.


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Ruccus said:
I've never understood some people's immediate dismissal of a monitor for having a TN panel. The colour reproduction of TN panels should be perfectly acceptable to most users, the viewing angle of a TN panel is acceptable since it'll be sitting right in front of you, and a TN panel can actually be advantageous for games due to its normally fast pixel response times. Add that they're cheap so TN monitors offer good value for your money.

While S-PVA screens are overall better than TN screens, TN panels can provide users with good value and acceptable visual quality.
TN is good enough for gaming but not good enough for accurate color reproduction for artwork or photography. I think we have about 7 different LCDs in the house, and I still do all color sensitive Photoshop/Painter work and scanning on a machine with a 17" Viewsonic VX700 (MVA panel.) None of the TN panels around the house have good enough color, and the bigger MVA panel, a VX900, doesn't have enough contrast.

Make sure you post your impressions of the new Dell, Chromite. I'm finally going to get around to getting a 24" widescreen myself in the near future. Right now the Samsung 245T is at the top of my list but I'm definitely looking for alternatives.



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Yeah the Samsung 245T was at the top of my list too, until I found out about the non 1:1 scaling ability of the inputs. Also, it scales 16:9 ratio to 16:10 so all of my PS3 output would be stretched vertically.

The Dell uses a Samsung panel with S-PVA as far as I can tell. S-PVA is Samsung specific so the Dell will have a similar panel to the 245T most likely. (Both are S-PVA)

The Dell allows all the controls, scaling and inputs that I need plus it includes a DisplayPort input as well as a second DVI input. That's just awesome.

My monitor should be arriving tomorrow. I can't wait


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Incidentally, if you want some monitor testing tools, here's a good site for them:

http://tft.vanity.dk/

Has both .exes (well, flash embedded in an .exe) plus browser versions.


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Re: Dell 2408WFP 24" S-PVA LCD Monitor
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Chromite said:
Yeah the Samsung 245T was at the top of my list too, until I found out about the non 1:1 scaling ability of the inputs. Also, it scales 16:9 ratio to 16:10 so all of my PS3 output would be stretched vertically.

The Dell uses a Samsung panel with S-PVA as far as I can tell. S-PVA is Samsung specific so the Dell will have a similar panel to the 245T most likely. (Both are S-PVA)

The Dell allows all the controls, scaling and inputs that I need plus it includes a DisplayPort input as well as a second DVI input. That's just awesome.

My monitor should be arriving tomorrow. I can't wait
I just got the SAMSUNG 2693HM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...k=samsung%2b26

Samsung has a rebate for it, I basically picked it up for $600 at Fry's... Price went up on Newegg, it *was* $560 a few days ago.
It doesn't have the scaling issue you mentioned above - not sure if it's the same model line or not.

At any rate, I went from a 19" CRT to a 25.5" viewable LCD, and I love it!

My main complaint? The touch buttons on the monitor aren't labeled with a bright font, so I have to actually turn on my light in order to adjust my monitor - which of course affects my calibration of it! I'm contemplating putting little dots of glow-in-the-dark paint on pieces of scotch tape and placing those on the monitor....

Let me know what you think of your new monitor - I have a friend who's looking into buying one.


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Would any of you fine gentlemen be able to offer me advice on a monitor?

I'm looking for a 22" widescreen with 1:1 pixel mapping. Preferably under $300.

Edit: other thoughts... am I reading comments in other forums correctly that it appears nvidia drivers will force correct pixel mapping to the monitor? I assume by generating pillar boxes to preserve aspect ratio for 4:3 content? Not quite the same thing of course but it might be good enough. Honestly that's really what I'm after here. This won't be used for consoles or anything, just computer applications, and I need to be able to preserve 4:3 content.



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I know it's possible to do that but I'm not sure it's part of the default drivers. You might need something like PowerStrip.


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notwen you might want to check out this thread on the Anandtech forums: http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=2049206

Just do a search for Reccomendations and you'll get to the section where they recommend monitors for situations (Office Work, Gaming, Multimedia, etc)

Make sure to check prices for any monitors you may like online since the prices in that thread might not be updated regularly.


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Thanks, that thread is a pretty good resource.


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I ended up purchasing a Dell, which unfortunately also has no scaling options onboard.

However, I was happy to find that the nVidia ForceWare drivers handle it well in software, so no problems! :D Wife is happy her Heroes will not be all stretched and stuff.


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I just got my Dell 2408WFP and it's pretty damn nice!

I haven't had a chance to go through and test everything but the few tests I did went through fine.

No dead pixels. No high amounts of backlight bleeding. Lovely even colors from many viewing angles.

It's a pretty damn nice monitor. I've spent most of the night playing with my PS3. It's like a whole new system again

PixelJunk Monsters for the win!

notwen, what dell did you get? Mine has the ability to go 1:1, "Aspect" mode and "Fill" mode. Fill mode is the devil. It massacres the aspect ratio like people do with their HDTVs.


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Just ordered 3 of these for evaluation in the lab to replace all of our bench monitors with them.

The fact it can support pretty much any kind of connection, including display port is what is likely to seal the deal for us. When you plan on buying ~100 of these things you want to make sure its future proofed.


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Well, I found a dead/stuck pixel. I didn't notice it until I was testing the composite connection with my PS3. It showed up instantly and very evident in composite but very hard to see in DVI mode.

Soo.... hopefully going to get this thing exchanged.

If you care about dead/stuck pixels make sure that you test with multiple inputs... some show it better than others.


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Aidden said:
Just ordered 3 of these for evaluation in the lab to replace all of our bench monitors with them.

The fact it can support pretty much any kind of connection, including display port is what is likely to seal the deal for us. When you plan on buying ~100 of these things you want to make sure its future proofed.
Hmmm...so you'll be getting a nice discount right? Mind adding 1 more to the order and I'll paypal you the cash with a little tip added in?


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yea we normally get a 40% discount off of retail for Dell Stuff through corporate purchasing partnerships.. Although some items, like XPS line are only like 13%.

Not sure where the monitors fall.


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In for one from aidden, since you failed to deliver on the last one.




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For a really in depth review of the monitor, go here:
http://monitortest.blogspot.com/ (Not my review)

Some notes about the monitor I got:

After thorough testing in Component mode, I was able to notice about 5 or 6 stuck/dead pixels. One thing that really helps you find these pixels is to use a digital camera with low light settings. You can very easily see the brighter pixels this way.

Also, since I calibrated the monitor the picture was absolutely astonishing when it came to brightness, colors and blacks. If you ever notice any banding with gradients that probably means you really need to calibrate your monitor and video card. Also make sure you install the latest drivers for your video card. They really can make a difference when it comes to color representations.

Oh yeah, also make sure you install the monitor drivers from the CD. It copies over a color profile you'll need and sets it as the default color profile.

With regard to input lag, it's really noticable when you're used to a zero input lag CRT that's for sure. Took me quite a while to get used to it but after using it for a few days my brain compensates for the "squishy" feeling lag and all is well again. If you play twitch shooters online and are not good enough/quick enough in them, you may have some difficulty. It all depends on how skilled you are though. A big part of my lag is also my wireless mouse of course.

I'm setting up to return my monitor and hope to get one without dead pixels. If I get another one with dead pixels I may just send it back and wait until there's a monitor with similar features in a retail store. I hate having to deal with shipping it back and the wait in between.


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Did you try the various programs out there to unstick the stuck pixels? Though 6 bad pixels seems excessive for a unit.


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Yup. I'm well experienced with 'em since I went through 3 PSPs until I got my 4th one with a pristine screen.

During that process I started to collect monitor tools so I had plenty to choose from.




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