What are the bread and butter everyday grinding poison(s) nowadays?
Thank you for any responses.

mymidon's sloth to slow the mob

messenger's bane to snare the mob

quellious trauma is a deaggro poison..

these are all defensive poisons...there's several more, but these are the 3 most use...

also..for offense

bite of the shissar (or consigned bite of the shissar) is the basic offensive poison. There are others....(vallon's tactic and tallon's tactic are raid poisons used in conjunction with each other...one rogue uses one, another rogue uses the other) ...there's a fire based poison, a cold based poison, but it's mostly bite of the shissar.


you can use one defensive and one offensive at the same time..they are basically buffs. In a group without a healer, you can go bite/sloth...you just have to be careful with your aggro. If the group has a slower and a shaky tank, use quellious trauma/bite

I used to have a good website that had all the recipes and what they all did all on one colorful concise page, but I lost it...

This one has the poisons through lvl 85.
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.asp...MsgID=40225551

yeah..that's the one i was talking about...

for level 90, just substitute immaculate for pristine, and distilled C for purified AA...and use adorned vials instead of chronal...

Thanks a lot folks. I appreciate the responses.

It is wonderful to see my tables being so helpful

THAT link however is to the Old guild post i originally had it on at Vexilarius Australis (Drinal). When we went through the last Merge many of us transfered to Rathe and joined Terror Australis and that is where the link within that page sends you too now.

HOWEVER. that was when my cleric was my main, and i have since changed mains to my rogue Sadi, and this has created a slight complication regarding my access to editing and updating my tables.

If you check the of the tables it is " http://www.terror-australis.com/uplo...n%20Table.html ", I can no longer access the Jonkiley folder, so the current and updated tables are at http://www.terror-australis.com/uplo...n%20Table.html

Im working with the site admin to work something out, but the SADI page is the current and updated tables.( with lvl 90s, and room for the 95s)

Please update your favorites accordingly. Id prefer to not have to have everyone else change thier info, but that seems the only way i have right now.

Once you get Misdirection you really shouldn't have any aggro problems even on a weak tank I use Bite and Monks bane alot with a friend and i have very few times i get aggro less her tank drops. Heck my boxed wizard ganks aggro more then i do.

Lucky you! With misdirection and Quellious' Trauma running, I still have aggro problems in a group. Plus, endurance runs out quicker. And yes, I have all of the AA's to reduce aggro and optimize endurance.

Thing with Misdirection is the timing. if i mess up and have agro on myself when i click it, ill keep agro, if i make sure the MT is the mobs target, they dont lose agro. I hardly use quellious anymore.

as for Endurance, Respite is B E A Utiful. with maxxed escape haste, only 2:30 between escapes.. I use respite after every fight if my end is low enough. If its a long fight , end is low, and respite is ready, i will escape, respite, and jump back in for a super end boost in combat.

Are poisons Still a pain in the butt?

When's the last time you've played?

No, basic DPS poison is bought from a vendor.
Utility poisons have to be crafted though.

You'll find a chart of the component needed and a basic description at http://www.terror-australis.com/uplo...n%20Table.html

Thanks for the link and info! My rogue was created in 2000 and was probably last played in like 04 or so.

Quick summary of the current state of poisons....

You can use 2 poisons at a time. One DPS, one Utility.

Both are now proc type poisons with a counter.

The basic DPS poisons are available for sale in POK for less than 2 plat per dose. If you get the rogue armor from level 85 and up, you can clicky summon them. The basic DPS poison lasts for 60 procs or 2 hours.

Utility poisons must be crafted from farmed ingredients. You can slow, snare, debuff attack, and lower agro..and a few other effects. The slow/snare poisons last for 150 procs, but the proc only lasts for like 12 seconds.

Poisons stack into groups of up to 20.

Crafted raid poisons exist but are often more trouble than they are worth.

There is a quest for the item Peerless Pestle, which when equipped gives you +15% to your poison making skill. A must have for the combines.

So, I was using the Messenger's Bane VI in Blackfeather Roost on level 55ish mobs and I couldn't get it to land, at all. Do I have to use level appropriate poisons to get them to land, i.e. Messenger's Bane IX (Req. Level 55) ? Or does Messenger's Bane just get resisted a lot?

Need level appropriate poisons. Resist rate is based on the level of the poison instead of the level of the user.

Ah, right thanks. Is Allakhazam's the best place to research where poison components drop?

All herbs for rogue utility poisons drop from plants or humanoid rogues. All venoms for all/all drop from spiders, scorpions, and snakes. Pick mobs of those type in the level range you want, and that's it. Or you can use magelo's search, find mobs with realistic drop percentages, and go from there. Just ignore all the 100% drop rate (1 of 1 observed loot) and 0% (0 of 1 observed) data, the middle ground is more accurate.