I wanna go this weekend so I was wondering what people thought.
Loved the first book, liked the second one and thought the writer wimped out on the last one...
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I saw it today. I think they did a good job keeping it true to the books. It helps that Collins received a screenplay credit. If you have read, and liked the books there is nothing in it, IMO, that is a deal breaker as far as changes go.
I had a good time. I'm glad I went. As far as the books go, without spoiling anything, I thought book one was alright, book two was good, and book three was mostly good except for an anticlimactic ending (not sure she could have written a climactic one, though, with the direction she took with the books).
The movie was worth seeing. They did stray some, but I'm overly nitpicky about that kind of stuff, so don't worry about that too much. Actually, I wouldn't have even minded if they had cut out a little more of the details, as too often I felt like they were too overtly giving nods towards certain things only readers would be looking for, while making the scenes awkward and possibly not making any sense to non-readers.
I do also think they could have done a better job explaining things, using elements already existent within the movie (but to counter-point I thought the way they used the announcers to explain the tracker jackers was excellent - would have like to have seen more of that). However, this was a constant complaint of mine while reading the books, too, probably because I of reading after authors like Eddings, Jordan, Sanderson, etc. who use natural elements of the story to give proper explanation to the audience. If Collins had done that in the books and if the movie would have consistently followed a similar format I think I'd be sitting here typing this up saying that all three books were fantastic and the movie rivaled the books, but such isn't the case.
I thought the gal who played Katniss (who you might remember from X-Men: First Class) did a very good job. The guy who played Peeta was pretty good, too. I think the guy who did the best in the movie as far as acting goes was whoever played Caesar Flickerman; that was just perfect, spot on. Haymitch wasn't too bad, either. Snow and Effie were also well done. I liked Seneca's look. Cenna was difficult to judge; I couldn't really accept that he was Cenna, because I just kept saying to myself: "That's Lenny Kravitz." You can look up all the actors and actresses if you care to know who they are.
Ehhh... I wasn't a huge fan, mostly because I feel it rushed through a lot that shouldn't have been rushed. Basically, this movie felt like the 4th Harry Potter movie to me. The book gave this feeling of desperation and loneliness inside the arena that the movie just....... didn't. Seriously, the career pack wandering around having a good time like they're just out in the woods at summer camp really ruined that feel for me. Also, Katniss seems to be entirely incapable of making her own decisions in this movie, whereas I felt her character in the books had a lot more spine and wits, at least where it came to survival. The utter cluelessness about people liking her was done rather well.
Heymitch... well... I felt it was Woody Harrelson playing Capt. Jack Sparrow honestly. And Cinna just came off as like Katniss way more than I felt was appropriate, considering she's supposed to be 16. He was just kinda creepy to me. Most other characters I feel were done fantastically well.
Now... for spoilers, do NOT read if you haven't read through to the end of book 3.
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Also: Peeta doesn't lose his leg, which makes me want to say that at the end of movie 3, they're going to keep Prim alive and just have Kat shoot Snow... I realize that's probably a pretty big leap, but that's just the feeling I got.
Didnt they fix up Peeta with an artificial leg that is just as good the real one? Kinda like Luke and his hand? Its been a while since I read them. But if they did, its like "might as well not even bother since he will just be on his leg for the next movie anyway"
Going to see it in an hour, I haven't read the books though.
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Didnt they fix up Peeta with an artificial leg that is just as good the real one? Kinda like Luke and his hand? Its been a while since I read them. But if they did, its like "might as well not even bother since he will just be on his leg for the next movie anyway"
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I thought that the artificial leg was more or less like modern prosthetics? I seem to recall him being rather heavier on it, not able to keep up at full speed, etc... maybe I'm wrong? Eh, if that's the case, I could just be jumping to more wild conclusions than I already have, hehe.
I looked it up and it appears the leg is more like a modern prosthetic one than say Lukes hand, but I think its still supposed to be more advanced than now. It says that he isnt able to be a full part of the future rebellion teams because of it. But its still easy enough to cover up just drop in a line like "It was too torn up from the first Games" and they are good to go and dont have to worry about the makeup/CGI to deal with it.
Two concern I had were how little they downplayed the tracker jackers and the complete lack of Katniss's prep team, minus Cinna himself. While in the first book both aspects were not really that important, in the third book the tracker jacker mindwashing of Peeta was a pretty big deal, and Katniss's discovery of her prep team in chains was something of a turning point for her thoughts about the District 13.
Also, the three fingered salute - as I recall that was unique to a different district (Rue's, right?), so having District 12 use it at the beginning was kinda lame. Am I remembering that wrong? I also felt a bit cheated in seeing the uprising from Rue's district, since I do not think we were supposed to know about that until either book two or three.
I do think that this maybe would have been done better as a mini-series.
I do also think they could have done a better job explaining things, using elements already existent within the movie (but to counter-point I thought the way they used the announcers to explain the tracker jackers was excellent - would have like to have seen more of that).
I felt the way the announcers handled the tracker jacker thing was flimsy and silly. It jumped out as being forced, I think because it was one of the only times they did it. That said, there aren't many other ways they could have thrown that info in aside from setting it up earlier in the film. I wonder if they originally tried to use the announcers to explain a bunch of different things but it ended up slowing down the flow so they just kept the tracker jacker explanation b/c it's needed.
They used silence perfectly. No silly music, and limited soundtrack set the tone nicely throughout, especially at the reaping. But I agree that once they got into the arena they lost some of the suspense. The 'tribute coalition' was too care-free.
Loved Katniss, Gale was good, Haymitch was great, though different from the books, Effe was awesome, Cinna was meh, the rest of the team was downplayed too much.
Peeta....I watched the midnight show Thursday night while chaperoning 14 teen girls (yeah). The theatre was packed, and they laughed over and over at Peeta scenes. I missed the joke every time but one (after the jackers, when Kat is hallucinating and he's trying to get in her face to tell her to run, he looked really goofy). The whole theatre cracked up laughing when Peeta's name is read at the reaping. I mean they were dying laughing every time the camera cut to his stunned face. That's pretty much the opposite effect the director would want, and I felt like I was missing something. It was either just because of the look on the actor's face, or maybe he's done other stuff the kids knew and found funny? I had no idea. But it happened again and again throughout the movie. They also laughed at one of the close-ups of a dead tribute's face for some reason.
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Most glaring issue I had was how they handled the Mutts. I was SOOOOO looking forward to seeing mutated dead tributes, most hauntingly the Rue mutt, but instead we got poorly CGI'd pit bulls. Bleh. That sucked.
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I thought Peeta worked out just fine. He's not supposed to be handsome or dashing or dark, brooding and mysterious. He's the nice guy next door. He's the one who isn't the strongest or the most cunning or ruthless but simply smart. Smart enough to know he can't win by playing the game, but he can give himself a chance by playing to the audience instead.
I thought it was great, it didn't over explain a lot of things. I imagine some things would be slightly confusing for that if you hadn't read the books, but most things you can figure out by context. I mean a whole bunch of people doing a silent salute to someone instead of clapping is not hard to figure out how the crowd feels about the person saluted to - or their feelings towards the authorities telling them to clap.
All in all I thought it was a very good adaptation. Compared to a lot of say, the Harry Potter movies this was really really good. It kept the most relevant parts in, didn't drag on to cover every detail but implied what there wasn't time to explain, and the added scenes I think will come in very hand as the move to film the second book. Seeing a little bit of the politics that are happening behind the games also helps the audience to understand why the gamemakers make the announcements they do. The books are told so exclusively from Katniss point of view it could be difficult to communicate what's going on without lengthy exposition, all the things she keeps finding out later about what's happening while she's in the games.
On the salute: Book 1 spoiler, very minor book 2 spoiler
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In the book she says it's a show of respect, love and way of saying goodbye in her district... but remember common citizens can't travel between districts. So whether it means something similar in other districts... she would have no way of knowing. The citizens in 11 seem to recognize at least the gesture but everything is told from Katniss' perspective in the book and she doesn't know much about the other districts. In the movie Rue's district does do it as a response to seeing Katniss doing it for Rue on the screens. In the book you don't hear about that uprising until into the second book when Katniss starts to see with her own eyes what's been happening outside of the games. It is indicated there that even if they may not share the custom... they at least recognize it's intent as a show of respect for Rue, since in the books the Capitol edits out that she surrounded Rue's body with the flowers.
I do hope a directors cut will have (minor spoiler, book 1)
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More on Cinna's team, just one little scene showing how they view Katniss more as an object and how shallow/self-obsessed they are goes a long way towards showing why Katniss connects so well with Cinna, how he's the first person in the Capitol who treats her as a human being rather than as a thing. Without that contrast Cinna does come off as slightly creepy.
For the future of the movies (major book 3 spoilers)
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Remember they're going to split the third book into two movies, so there will be more time to sell that while district 13 is the center of the rebellion they're just as much about using and controlling people as the capitol. I'm worried they'll let Prim live, but more worried they'll have Katniss kill Snow - it's such a huge part of her story that she's coming to realize that she may just have switched one dictator for another and in the end she doesn't go for the revenge in favor of stopping those future wrongs. It just wouldn't make sense to make her story more disneyesque happy ending after all she's been through at that point, even if Prim is alive there's just so much death she's seen by then. If you keep Prim alive you can at least try to sell that idea of the happily ever after, so that will be a tempting thing to keep in. I really hope Collins puts her foot down on that if they want to push it in that direction.
Just got back from seeing it. Thought it was pretty good. Lawrence does a pretty good job of portraying Katniss kinda being a bitch. I never pictured Seneca as they portrayed him in the movie, more of a TV producer, but I like how they did it. The careers were nice and cocky. I wish they had been able to spend more time on Haymitch. No character really stands out as "Eh, I dont think they did it right"
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I see what you were all saying about the announcers and the trackerjackers. They either needed to have the announcers cut in and explain more often so it didnt seem so obvious, or my thought was, why not have Caesar Flickman explain it a tiny bit more in her hallucination. He already was talking about it during the hallucination anyway.
Sounds like you watched it with a terrible audience.
They were horrible. I think maybe because there were so many large groups of teens that had just been dropped off by their parents. There was a group of 10 8th grade boys that were messy and obnoxious prior to the start and then were loud a couple times during. Honestly, it's what I expected at the midnight show...and in some ways I expected it to be worse. I'm looking forward to going at a normal time with two people who haven't read the books.
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I forgot to mention, I was sorry to see they saved the Avox content for the next movie (I assume). It could have added another nice creepy element to the movie
I haven't read the books yet. I was wary going into it but something about it really made it stick in my head. I think it's the scene with District 11. That was very well done.
I'm hoping the next movies will do what the Harry Potter series did and get better as it found its legs.
I saw it Saturday and haven't decided what I think of it. I think the problem is that I read the books too close to seeing the movie. AND I re-read book one, finishing it right before seeing the movie. So while the movie did follow the book closely, it was almost bad that it did because then I was thinking, "OK, now what comes next is this scene..." and if it didn't then I was distracted.
I think I would've liked the movie a lot if I had maybe read the books years ago and forgotten a lot of details, or just not read the books at all.
I agree with the comment on the music, I was glad they didn't over do it.
I also agree with a lot of what has been said in the Spoiler tags too.
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You're right about the three finger gesture, it's one of the things that distracted me when they showed that. Also how Katniss gets the Mockingjay pin from the Hob... though I completely understand cutting out Madge to make the story shorter/less complicated for film
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I don't expect many here to appreciate this, but... I was also disappointed I had to wait all the way until the credits to finally hear the Taylor Swift song she did for the movie. Hello? Why not actually use it, you know, in the movie...
I enjoyed it but the camera-work was really nauseating and I had to keep my eyes closed for over half of it. I HATE that close-up, really-narrow-focus, jerky-camera style.
Just read the books to see what was left out. As others mentioned it was a surprisingly faithful adaptation. I really want to see the directors cut. I have a feeling it would be damn near perfect as far as including content goes.
Saw it last night, was pretty good... Jennifer Lawrence is amazingly attractive, btw
I found it pretty predictable, unfortunately... haven't read the book yet (I am like, 3 pages in) but I still saw pretty much every plot twist coming a mile away. It was still pretty good, but nothing mind blowing.
Having seen the summary of the other 2 books there were some definite undertones that others may have missed (the president being so serious and controlling, about why there has ot be a victor, etc) but it was still worth seeing
Saw it last night, was pretty good... Jennifer Lawrence is amazingly attractive, btw
I found it pretty predictable, unfortunately... haven't read the book yet (I am like, 3 pages in) but I still saw pretty much every plot twist coming a mile away. It was still pretty good, but nothing mind blowing.
Having seen the summary of the other 2 books there were some definite undertones that others may have missed (the president being so serious and controlling, about why there has ot be a victor, etc) but it was still worth seeing
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Even the book isn't really full of plot twists. It does set up nicely the second two though which brings the big picture into focus.
My wife and I read the books when they came out, so there's some years there to blur the exact details while retaining the overall feel and love for characters.
If I hadn't read the books, I wouldn't have been as bothered by
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Rue's death. The POV of her death with Catniss singing above her in the corner of the screen was pretty brilliant. I was moved. They had to retain a PG-13 rating, so I understand some of the shaky cam stuff rather than ultra detailed gore/action scenes.
Wife and I were both very happy with the movie adaptation and the casting. I was very happy with Elizabeth Banks. I guess the books were really detailed with Ms. Violet's voice as that is EXACTLY how I pictured her sounding and looking like. Elizabeth Banks also has been a little bit typecasted in the past, yet I've love her since Slither, so I was glad she did such a great job matching that part. I really liked Lenny Kravitz, too. Woody Harrelson was good, but in reading the books, I always pictured an older character. I think Jeff Bridges would've been better. Jennifer Lawrence and Josh Hutchison(?) were great casting. I pictured Gale different but I guess I can't complain, the actor didn't do anything wrong so far.
Sure, they had to leave out some details, but I personally feel these books will make a better film adaptation than Harry Potter and LOTR, and I was happy with the casting, acting, and cinematography.
My only complaint? Same complaint I had with the books. Where the hell is the explanation for the Hunger Games technology? It's sci-fi/fantasy without the background.
If they can just spawn any sort of organism, terrain feature, weather, etc, into a large arena, it seems like they don't need to be living in the type of society they live in to begin with. Why set up cheapass fences around the districts when you can set up miniature arena boundaries with packs of wolves constantly keeping people in check? Or just a spawn point for organisms that do all the resource harvesting for them? All sorts of possibilities that make that civilization all-powerful while not even having to worry about a rebel uprising.
On a side note. I wish there was a different rating system that would allow them to properly show the events in a book/movie like this. The PG-13 **** just doesn't allow the director any shot at doing it justice. As it is an R rating kills it at the box office and I think trying to squeeze it in as PG-13 ruins a lot of movies. I would have really loved to see them play up the contrast between the districts, the French bourgeoisie capitol, and the arena but I guess that would scar all of the little kids. Not that they would fully understand it anyway.
My only complaint? Same complaint I had with the books. Where the hell is the explanation for the Hunger Games technology? It's sci-fi/fantasy without the background.
If they can just spawn any sort of organism, terrain feature, weather, etc, into a large arena, it seems like they don't need to be living in the type of society they live in to begin with. Why set up cheapass fences around the districts when you can set up miniature arena boundaries with packs of wolves constantly keeping people in check? Or just a spawn point for organisms that do all the resource harvesting for them? All sorts of possibilities that make that civilization all-powerful while not even having to worry about a rebel uprising.
I just finished book 1 and this bugged me too. I figure that it's the easiest way for the Capitol to keep the population as "slaves" without them realizing they are. It keeps the workforce intact and downtrodden without them committing mass suicide and rising up again.
Okay, but there's still the fact that the capitol is basically hundreds if not thousands of years into the future technology-wise compared to the outlying districts, and as far as we know, creating organisms is free. Sure, arena space is limited, but since people can be transported in/out of arena, so could the artificial creations.
How can a district that only has homemade bows + arrows as a weapon, and is starving, overthrow a government that can literally spawn organisms, fireballs, lightning strikes, etc from nothing?
I guess the idea is their culture loves violent blood sports and keeps it up for their amusement.
There's just some discrepancy I can't quite put my finger on that ruins my suspension of disbelief sometimes (even while reading the books). Maybe it's just that I'm used to sci-fi and fantasy novels actually *explaining* technology or magic rather than them just existing willy-nilly with no background.
They do point out later that the technology is very controlled exactly so it won't be used against them and without that access they do have one other weapon...
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Without district 13's tech the other districts wouldn't really stand a chance in an armed conflict. But even without that, the districts wouldn't have to beat Capitol in a shooting war. Capitol is completely dependent on the districts for food and other resources. In book 2 people in Capitol start to complain because they can't get so and so luxury foods they've become accustomed to, that's after fairly minor uprisings compared to what starts to happen in book 3. That's why they have to maintain such an iron grip on the districts, all it would take would be enough of a conflict in all the food production districts for an extended period of time and Capitol's food supplies runs out - and long before that it risks it's spoiled citizens rebelling. That's why they have to maintain their hunger games, they can't risk people realizing just how vulnerable their dependency on the districts has really made them.
As for why don't they use their awesome tech to feed themselves. Well, it's mostly smokes and mirrors. As you see in book 2 (and in the movie in the games control center) a lot of what's happening in that arena isn't real. It's a cross between a high tech movie set and a star trek type holodeck. Even the genetically engineered mutations they have created they don't have great control over, what with the mockingjays being the result of breeding between one of the mutated weapons and ordinary mocking birds. Both the people watching and the tributes of course believe this to be real - Katniss herself in book 2 seems surprised when she finds out that it was all a lie, that the flights they took to the arenas were fake and the arena was always the same arena no matter how different it looked.
There's never any indication that they have advanced robotics, refined enough genetic engineering to create a pliable enough servant creature that it would be usable on a mass scale or that they have matter replication mastered. And of course historically having access to easy slave labor doesn't tend to motivate people to do anything other than perfect means of controlling their slaves.
They do point out later that the technology is very controlled exactly so it won't be used against them and without that access they do have one other weapon...
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Without district 13's tech the other districts wouldn't really stand a chance in an armed conflict. But even without that, the districts wouldn't have to beat Capitol in a shooting war. Capitol is completely dependent on the districts for food and other resources. In book 2 people in Capitol start to complain because they can't get so and so luxury foods they've become accustomed to, that's after fairly minor uprisings compared to what starts to happen in book 3. That's why they have to maintain such an iron grip on the districts, all it would take would be enough of a conflict in all the food production districts for an extended period of time and Capitol's food supplies runs out - and long before that it risks it's spoiled citizens rebelling. That's why they have to maintain their hunger games, they can't risk people realizing just how vulnerable their dependency on the districts has really made them.
As for why don't they use their awesome tech to feed themselves. Well, it's mostly smokes and mirrors. As you see in book 2 (and in the movie in the games control center) a lot of what's happening in that arena isn't real. It's a cross between a high tech movie set and a star trek type holodeck. Even the genetically engineered mutations they have created they don't have great control over, what with the mockingjays being the result of breeding between one of the mutated weapons and ordinary mocking birds. Both the people watching and the tributes of course believe this to be real - Katniss herself in book 2 seems surprised when she finds out that it was all a lie, that the flights they took to the arenas were fake and the arena was always the same arena no matter how different it looked.
There's never any indication that they have advanced robotics, refined enough genetic engineering to create a pliable enough servant creature that it would be usable on a mass scale or that they have matter replication mastered. And of course historically having access to easy slave labor doesn't tend to motivate people to do anything other than perfect means of controlling their slaves.
Thanks, it's been years since I read the books.
Still not seeing how it's mostly smoke and mirrors, though. People get injured and killed by fireballs, lightning, and whatever beasts they spawn, so it's not like those beasts don't physically exist. So do the plants and trees. So why not just spawn some of your own meat and crops in the arena during the Hunger Games off-season, and feed your capitol for "free"? Not sure what the cost of the arena resources are.
Oddly enough, wife and I remember 1st and 3rd books better than 2nd book. I don't really remember much of what happened in 2nd one.