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Hstr/hdex
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From looking at what I can do with my gear/augs, I can either have:

325 HSTR / 300 HDEX

or

350 HSTR / 260 HDEX

Any opinions on which would be better?

As you can see in my sig, I am at 294 HSTR / 236 HDEX. I can either start picking up the high HDEX augs (the +8/+7 ones) to replace my AC augs and I'd gain about +40 from that. But if I go the STR route I'd gain ab out +25 HSTR as I have all the high HSTR augs already.

The numbers above are what it'd look like after I finish my T2 visibles and get a new charm in addition to the aug changes. So I'm trying to decide which I should do.




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Re: Hstr/hdex
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I seem to have missed something. When did various heroics surpass AC in aug stat desirability?



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Pokeyoureyeout said:
I seem to have missed something. When did various heroics surpass AC in aug stat desirability?
When mobs one round you regardless of whether you have 6k ac or 7k ac :P

We raid up to T3, and getting hit has never been an issue for me. I die to AE's, I die to wipes, but I never die from getting hit.

Pretty much all the top-end rogues are in an HSTR/HDEX setup nowadays due to that.



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That makes sense. Thanks.


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Re: Hstr/hdex
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Some mobs rampage can make you change your mind in t4. I personnally do a mix of heroics/AC and this makes me harder to kill than rogues with less AC.
DPS given by hstr/hdex is barely noticeable anyway.



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Re: Hstr/hdex
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Short summary: go with the dex!

Firstly, HDEX >> AC any day of the week even if all you ever care about is defense. The reason being that heroic dex adds to avoidance. I forget precisely which of the two it is and I can't check my notes from here, but I think it's parry and ripost from dex and dodge from agi (block too, but we don't get that). So in pure damage mitigation terms a lot of Hdex makes a big difference. Of course it may not be possible to parry a rampage hit as it's not directed solely at you - I'm not sure infact on that one.

Secondly, HDEX adds to +damage in much the same way that HSTR does, but at a different part of the equation. See http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...ad.php?t=37115 for more data.

Specifically an attack is damage_bonus + str_mod + modifiers * (dex_mod + hit), where hit is a combination of DI internal (1 to 20 random), weapon damage and damage table (1 to table_max in .01 increments). Note specifically the str_mod (hstr/10) and dex_mod (hdex/10) are in different parts. Str appears at the end and always works. dex arrives near the start and can be multiplied up by modifiers - either crit, rogue's fury, whatever. However some modifiers can work against it such as the minimum hit modifier in worn fero; dex gets applied, then it's checked against min hit, and finally increased if necessary possibly making the dex component irrelevant. Note that dex (normal, not heroic, but heroic grants an overcap normal too) has a very small boost to crit rates.

In pure +dam terms though dex >> str in every way. To offset against this is the fact that str boosts attack which in turn skews your DI hit distribution away from 1 and towards 20. Whether or not more attack really helps much is questionable. Probably we should do some real world parsing with and without fero to test it. My last tests were years ago on attack and crit rates. I have enough heroics now to test again.


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Re: Hstr/hdex
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Pokeyoureyeout said:
I seem to have missed something. When did various heroics surpass AC in aug stat desirability?
I've heard differing opinions from different tanks. Some wouldn't trade any amount of AC for some heroics, and one that I trust who treats it very close to hAgi/hDex = AC. I think he's so high on mitigation rate that any boost to his chance to dodge is a better trade-off than a small change to AC. After all, +10 to 400 hAgi is 2.5% increase, plus 10 AC to 6500 (7000 and a 500 softcap are numbers I just made up) is a . . . very small change.

But I thought hStr was what boosted shield block, and we can get that with an Archetype AA. I've went from dying to to t2 hot mobs to tanking t3 voa mobs in emergencies with that and not had to hit fleet-footed, but I travel with lots of healers.




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