mage vs wiz

[EZ_raradorn2]

Re: mage vs wiz

epic pet moves faster then sow naturaly I already said that i golem wanded the wiz epic shield off so they have no skin. Pet quads for 67 vs mobs 100 ice dmg proc base for like 35 and 7 sec stun if lands.

For the guy who said once you dispell your pet will poof or whatever thats why you golem wand before sending pet so it doesnt poof


Yander
Nuke
Yander
Nuke
Dead mage

lmao
Yander
pet still following you
try nuking inturrpted by pet
omg mala is on me !
yander plz save me
grrrrr epic pet is still on me wtf
root
pet annuled crap
ack mage is nuking me!
dead wiz Edited by: raradorn2 at: 5/20/02 8:58:54 am

[EZ_Broxilius]

Re: mage vs wiz

There are a huge number of variables.

You can't say one class would win every time and the other would lose every time like you can in other fights.

Like warrior vs cleric, necro vs mage, or lvl 60 ranger with AA out the wazzoo vs everybody else

[EZ_renquist]

Re: mage vs wiz

Yeah and what exactly do you do if you are out of gwands? Renquist Fefkillawww.silentsouls.com

[EZ_Doppil]

Shadowstep

shadowstep, manaburn mage or root pet

[EZ_Kourin Nee lahn]

Re: Shadowstep

I don't see why a manaburn wizard would be using ice comet. :p I'd go with draught of ice, at least, if I was at that level.

Any wizard with half of a brain can pvp a mage, easily. Mistress Kourin Nee`lahn :: 60 Sorceress :: E'Ci
Dawn of Redemption

[EZ_Kaail Lasra]

Re: Shadowstep

You are really over exagerating the dmg of the epic pet.

The stun doesn't last 7 seconds.

the proc does like 40 dmg in pvp or so.

The pet doesn't quad for 67, he hits like 67, miss, miss, 24.

While you are anulling, the wizard is nuking, while you are casting mala, the wizard is nuking, while your pet is chasing the wizard, the wizard is yondering and nuking.

Wizards have some fast casting long lasting stuns for pets.

stun pet, root pet, nuke mage, snare pet, nuke mage, nuke mage, loot mage, med for combat, die from rogue backstab.

thats just how it goes, im sorry .

even after mala, the wizard will resist most of the spells. Kinda sucks, but thats how it goes.

-: Kaail Lasra :- Assassin of Rodcet Nife
The Leader of Tomorrow

[EZ_raradorn2]

Re: Shadowstep

I have 200 CR and epic pets proc was doing around 100 dmg pet does quad 67 on mobs in pvp its like quad for 40ish on average vs a caster. Kaail im guessing you got you number from dueling mages? If yes consider this. Compair your AC and agi to a wiz. Its way way less. Second for all thoughs people who say manaburn and mage is dead. Your not always going to have manaburn up its like 126 min repop or somthing right? And another thing for the guys that say once pet is rooted that gives wiz time to get away a bit, umm no if i see a wiz casting root i start casting annul right away so wiz get like 1 sec of freedom from pet. Also once a wiz yanders he doesnt know how far he will tp away he could be out of range for his next nuke. RaradornArchmage of United Legions

[EZ_ycorerixle]

Re: Shadowstep

Well, I don't play on a PvP server, but I have dueled many wizzies just for fun and I have found the following to be the best strategy.

Yes, wizzies have better nukes, as well as root to immobilize the pet. What does the mage have? Well, he has a fast casting (2.5 secs) 450dmg bolt spell that has a massive range--WAY greater than any wizard nuke, AND autoseeks it's target. He also has a rarely used lvl 52/58 fire pet that casts lowbie wizard spells equal in range to any wiz spell. Better yet, when rooted this pet begins to chain cast Force Shock and Shock of Lightning--you WANT the wizzie to root it.

So, my battles usually went this route:

1) Send pet at wizzie, which he promptly roots. During this time I start running out of Wiz nuke range.

2) Wizzie starts to move closer so he can nuke me, but is now being chain casted on by the rooted pet. Most of these he resists, but it's the surprise and indecision that makes the difference. During this time I fire off a couple of bolts.

3) Caught between a nuking pet, and a constantly retreating mage that swings around for 2secs to fire off a bolt, the wizzie usually does one of two things.

a) Yonders, in which case I keep firing bolts which autoseeks the wizzie wherever he is.

b) Gives up chasing me for a moment, and turns to nuke the pet. This of course is a grave error because I'm ramming bolts up his butt.

Can a mage go head to head with a good wizard? No way. However, using the wizzie pet to defeat the root tactic, combined with our massive range bolts, one can wear down a wizzie pretty easily.

Where does this go wrong? Well, if the wizzie can run faster than you 'cause he has a sow and you don't, the "flee and bolt tactic" becomes useless of course. Also, if the wizzie decides to hide behind a tree or hill, then you have to wait for him to expose himself. Finally, if the wizard can manage to guide your bolt into your pet, then pet goes poof and mage is meat.

Manaburn.. Well lol there is no way to deal with this...

ycore rixle

[EZ_vvii]

Rain spells kill pure caster

Root pet
SoL (may not even need it)
Tears of Prexus (2070 plus crits)+lure or draught spell
Dead mage in 10sec

Vvii @Diamond Edge.Karana

[EZ_sprite7]

reply

I would have to say wizard on this one, but the wizard must have more then average PvP skills to do it. Lets face it that pet classes are just that much easier master for PvP.

I personally as a warrior have beaten Epic Mages in duels, I have also lost many too. So it does support the situational PvP. If I land massive hits followed by a stun kick in the beginning, and the mage actually attempts to stop to cast a spell, well I got a shot at winning. The smart, and cheap tactic is just run around in circles so I cant hit the mage at all.

Sprite Brokenheart
Warlord

[EZ_raradorn2]

Re: reply

In duels you cant annul pets root but on pvp servers your able to annul the root off the pet. RaradornArchmage of United Legions

[EZ_ycorerixle]

Re: reply

Any mage that is stupid enough to stay within range of a rain spell, take more than one wave before moving, or simply not run up to the wizzie's melee range deserves to die in 10 secs...

Imho Wizzies using rains to kill mages is not a tactic that they have any particular advantage in using. Mages have rains that are pretty much just as good. So, you can cast Tears of Prexus/druzil, and the mage will cast Manastorm (3x650dmg +mana drain). Personally, wizzies are on equal footing to a mage in PvP unless they have their epic, in which case things are tipped in the smart wizzies favor. Bards, Sk's, monks, shammies, and necro's usually own me no matter what my tactics though.

Also, with the new changes to mage fire pets, PLEASE root it--it just makes it chain cast Tishan's Clash/Force Shock even more. The new fire pet will even cast Cancel Magic to debuff you

[EZ_vvii]

Re: reply

cast time is the key
Root(Fetter) lvl58: cast time 1.75
SoL (Shock of Lightning) lvl12 spell: cast time 2.2 effect DD and push back. DD part is resistable but push back is unresistable in PvP so you will get interupt if you're casting spell.
Tear of Prexus has better cast time (5 vs 6 sec) and damage than manastorm. Cold base spell is very hard to resist.
Also, wizzie have Spellshield to absorb 800 spell damage and epic skin another 800.
Vvii @Diamond Edge.Karana

[EZ_Silverblade the Enchanter]

Re: reply

Hm, mage epic pet has highish MR.
Add elemental blankets and Daggers of symbols
+45 MR, +30 CR FR, +15 PR DR.
it's SOW speed, plus Velocity only a bard can out run it, barely.

I don't duel much and am far from the best :> but a necro tried using Shadow Step??, pet was on him in liek 2 seconds and so were bolts.

Interesting point: Mala overwrites caster shielding spells, including shaman Focus and cleric shields. Plus it dorps resists by -50 now as they changed PvP debuff?

Redorious
Archmage
karana I'd rather be a Fool who believes in Dragons
SILVERBLADES-SUITCASE Than a King who believes in Nothing

[EZ_tass the great]

Re: reply

wow nice site Silverblade. I'll have to spend a while there later :o)

One thing though...could you add a stop button for the music? it's kind of annoying.... DISCLAIMER:
This is my opinion. As such, it should not be taken as fact even though I believe it to be so. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and as much of a voice to them as is given me. Please do not judge my words too harshly. They are only my words and as such, are only as powerful as you make them.